Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the guy defending racism and white nationalism is also supporting warmongering.

[pathora44]

It is essentially saying fuck everyone as long as I get mine.

Hey, the Republican motto.

[Felya]

Your point is absurd and pathetic. It is essentially saying fuck everyone as long as I get mine.

It’s not... he has no power, just like all of us...

[Endus]

Those in power exploit those under them... Shocking news that dates back as far as civilization.

And rape and murder also date back to the dawn of civilization.

Doesn't mean we should enshrine them as the cornerstone of our entire economic and political system. Nor should we do so with exploitation. Which means capitalism's got to go.

[Benggaul]

Ten Senate Republicans propose compromise covid relief package, request meeting with Biden

The GOP proposal is expected to jettison certain elements that have drawn Republican opposition, such as increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour.

It would also reduce the size of a new round of checks Biden wants to send to Americans, from $1,400 per individual to $1,000 — while significantly reducing the income limits that determine eligibility for the stimulus payments.

For me this will be the first real test Biden will face during his early time in office. He will lose immense amounts of respect in my eyes if he acquiesces to any of this (with the exception, perhaps, of the minimum wage increase; I understand why it's a part of this bill and I agree with it in principle, but it really is out of place). He will take a hit either way, because if he refuses the GOP will use it as ammunition to fuel the impotent rage of their base because "omg Biden so partisan!" ignoring the past 12 years of their own history, but if he chooses to compromise on any of it the Very Online Left will--I don't know, I guess just continue their crusade to hurt their own cause.

[Shadowferal]

If Biden really wants some of the GOP on board then he'll haggle.
If he isn't interested in getting a few he'll tell them to pound sand.
I think we'll know in a few days.

[SirBeef]

If Biden really wants some of the GOP on board then he'll haggle.
If he isn't interested in getting a few he'll tell them to pound sand.
I think we'll know in a few days.

I'd say fuck them. This is in no way an attempt at a fair or honest negotiation from them. This is the low ball, do nothing, stricter means testing crap that gives not anything enough towards those that need it the most and at 1/3 of what the Dems want. Once again the GOP proving they do not wish to do anything then blame Dems for not capitulating to them.

[Themius]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...timulus-update



Darned Neoliberal Austerity Biden for working with progressives!

Is attacking phantom progressives like a theme now?

[Paranoid Android]

1/ Entering October, @KamalaHarris’ old presidential campaign committee was more than $935,000 in debt.

It appears @JoeBiden’s presidential campaign helped Harris’ campaign pay off most of that debt, per a new @FEC filing. https://t.co/qwXg6jq25r

https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/st...352167425?s=19

Basically the rule is she ran as Biden's VP so the Biden campaign can pay off the debt.

I think there might be a problem with our campaign finance rules.

[DarkTZeratul]

https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/st...352167425?s=19

Basically the rule is she ran as Biden's VP so the Biden campaign can pay off the debt.

I think there might be a problem with our campaign finance rules.

I don't really see why this is necessarily a problem?

[Themius]

https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/st...352167425?s=19

Basically the rule is she ran as Biden's VP so the Biden campaign can pay off the debt.

I think there might be a problem with our campaign finance rules.

I don't think it is exactly a problem since they're running for the same office. If they end up working together sharing the debt makes sense to me since they were both running for one office. What I would love to see though... some financing reform.

No outside money, all taxpayer dollars allocated evenly among the people running. Political advertising out of a central fund where each person gets the same amount of commercial, radio, and billboards and whatever.

[bladeXcrasher]

Is attacking phantom progressives like a theme now?

You're implying Theo is an actual progressive, because the austerity neolib schtick was hers. This is clearly a dig at her austerity BS she was running with since November.

[Shadowferal]

I'd say fuck them. This is in no way an attempt at a fair or honest negotiation from them. This is the low ball, do nothing, stricter means testing crap that gives not anything enough towards those that need it the most and at 1/3 of what the Dems want. Once again the GOP proving they do not wish to do anything then blame Dems for not capitulating to them.

Sanders' says dems have the votes to fuck 'em if the GOP doesn't play nice.
And it looks like the GOP proposal is going to suck ass; GOP's COVID-19 relief proposal totals $600B, includes $1K payments

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) said on Sunday that the framework for a COVID-19 economic relief package unveiled by 10 Republican senators would cost $600 billion, less than half the price of the Biden administration’s $1.9 trillion proposal.

Cassidy said on "Fox News Sunday" that the pared-down GOP proposal unveiled earlier Sunday includes $1,000 direct payments to individuals that would be targeted to certain income levels. He did not specify if the GOP’s threshold would be those who made under $75,000 in the 2019 tax year. President Biden’s proposal includes a third round of direct payments of $1,400.

Funding for schools is also slashed in the GOP package, which Cassidy said offers $20 billion instead of Biden’s $170 billion.
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Too lowball...fuck 'em.

[Themius]

You're implying Theo is an actual progressive, because the austerity neolib schtick was hers. This is clearly a dig at her austerity BS she was running with since November.

Ah, well they're not progressive.

[Elenos]

For me this will be the first real test Biden will face during his early time in office. He will lose immense amounts of respect in my eyes if he acquiesces to any of this (with the exception, perhaps, of the minimum wage increase; I understand why it's a part of this bill and I agree with it in principle, but it really is out of place). He will take a hit either way, because if he refuses the GOP will use it as ammunition to fuel the impotent rage of their base because "omg Biden so partisan!" ignoring the past 12 years of their own history, but if he chooses to compromise on any of it the Very Online Left will--I don't know, I guess just continue their crusade to hurt their own cause.

That's a perfectly fair stance if he just agrees to 600 billion. He should negotiate, that's what serious politicians do that what to get bipartisan support. The $15/hour is DOA anyway since the Democrats would have to nuke the rules in the Senate to pass it, and they likely don't have the votes for that unless people here thing Machin would vote for a bill like that.

Or Biden could pass a 2 trillion package and ensure Republicans will NEVER negotiate with him again in good faith. This isn't Mitch McConnell making the offer by the way, since as far as Mitch is concerned he didn't even want the previous package. This is people in the Susan Collins camp.

An important thing to note here: Donald Trump's enormous and unmitigated legislative failure came from the fact he refused to compromise with Democrats on anything: Infrastructure, Immigration, The Wall, Drug Pricing, Healthcare etc. Seriously Chuck Schumer offered him the WALL if he had tied with amnesty for Dreamer, Trump spat in his face.

So sure if Biden wants to be third president who can barely get anything done on a legislative level and instead engage in Trench Warfare by all means, refuse the offer outright and pass it on a party line. He'll simply follow Obama and Trump in that regard.

Or he could do what Bush Jr. or Clinton did: Negotiate and compromise in good faith to get things done.

[JohnBrown1917]

That's a perfectly fair stance if he just agrees to 600 billion. He should negotiate, that's what serious politicians do that what to get bipartisan support. The $15/hour is DOA anyway since the Democrats would have to nuke the rules in the Senate to pass it, and they likely don't have the votes for that.

Serious politicians understand you only need a simple majority to pass most stuff.
But hey, if they want to pander to far right politicians for no reason, more power to 'em.

[Elenos]

Serious politicians understand you only need a simple majority to pass most stuff.
But hey, if they want to pander to far right politicians for no reason, more power to 'em.

Oh? Is the Senate Filibuster 50 votes threshold or is it 60. Passing a bill with the limitations of reconciliation ( including the likely possibility of throwing $15 minimum wage out the window ) is not "passing most stuff"

Can democrats change this? Yes. Are there enough votes in the Senate to do it: No, and not just because of people like Manchin or Sinema.

Also let's assume that Democrats DO change the rules: Pelosi has a four seat majority in the House that she might very likely lose in 2022 and the Senate majority Schumer enjoys, which isn't a real majority anyway, can easily be lost in 2022 too. So by all means take the piss on the 10 Senate GOP members who actually want to work with Biden here and ensure Mitch regains the Senate and McCarthy the House.

[Benggaul]

Or Biden could pass a 2 trillion package and ensure Republicans will NEVER negotiate with him again in good faith. This isn't Mitch McConnell making the offer by the way, since as far as Mitch is concerned he didn't even want the previous package. This is people in the Susan Collins camp.

Womp womp. This has been the GOP stance for at least the past 12 years, making everything else you've written irrelevant.

[Bodakane]

Oh? Is the Senate Filibuster 50 votes threshold or is it 60. Passing a bill with the limitations of reconciliation ( including the likely possibility of throwing $15 minimum wage out the window ) is not "passing most stuff"

Can democrats change this? Yes. Are there enough votes in the Senate to do it: No, and not just because of people like Manchin or Sinema.

Also let's assume that Democrats DO change the rules: Pelosi has a four seat majority in the House that she might very likely lose in 2022 and the Senate majority Schumer enjoys, which isn't a real majority anyway, can easily be lost in 2022 too. So by all means take the piss on the 10 Senate GOP members who actually want to work with Biden here and ensure Mitch regains the Senate and McCarthy the House.

This is such horseshit.

Repubs have been shitting on the rules and common practices for decades. Fuck them.

Amy Barrett and election lies and capitol insurrection say hi.

[Themius]

Or Biden could pass a 2 trillion package and ensure Republicans will NEVER negotiate with him again in good faith. .

When did they negotiate in good faith??????