Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[xmirrors]

The moment the $15 min wage thing passes...time to up the deal and argue for $20.

$15 is already too high for a federal minimum wage.

[Shadowferal]

$15 is already too high for a federal minimum wage.

Disagree.
Long past due...

[Themius]

...yes? Which is how almost every jump in minimum wage has gone in cities/states, it's a phased approach so that businesses can adapt over time to it and to limit problems.

Was it ever supposed to happen overnight. Is that remotely wise to do all at once?

Should be phased down to within the first term at most.

[s_bushido]

$15 is already too high for a federal minimum wage.

And how did you come to this conclusion?

[Endus]

Should be phased down to within the first term at most.

It'd be reasonable to allow for an increase over time to 2030 or so, if the 2012 assessment of $15 were re-assessed for the time of signing, with regards to inflation, using the same rationale that led to $15 in 2012 (it should be $17-18 today), and this figure were further updated on a yearly basis in addition to the expected yearly bump, to ensure that once it reached the planned peak in 2030, it was a value produced by the same analysis that produced $15 in 2012, and would be further amended on a yearly basis tied to cost of living, to ensure it never falls below inflation levels again.

I'd definitely be open to accelerating that schedule, but a 10-year span would allow a sufficient buffer to allow a relatively pain-free adaptation process.

[Breccia]

$15/hr full-time would be $30,000 -- before taxes, of course.

For a single person, that's about double the poverty level. and about half the average US income level.

[beanman12345]

These OMB hearings....
Who hates US liberals more; cosplay leftists or conservatives?

Very online peoplwe complaining that Neera was mean to them.
Being mean, really just called out their bullshit publically.

I read between the lines of her apology and love it even more. She just apologized for the language, not that what she said was incorrect. Basically as you said "sorry i was mean..... but I'm not wrong..."

[postman1782]

$15 is already too high for a federal minimum wage.

If we were to tie it to a living wage like it was designed to be, it should be closer to $22 an hour.

[Themius]

It'd be reasonable to allow for an increase over time to 2030 or so, if the 2012 assessment of $15 were re-assessed for the time of signing, with regards to inflation, using the same rationale that led to $15 in 2012 (it should be $17-18 today), and this figure were further updated on a yearly basis in addition to the expected yearly bump, to ensure that once it reached the planned peak in 2030, it was a value produced by the same analysis that produced $15 in 2012, and would be further amended on a yearly basis tied to cost of living, to ensure it never falls below inflation levels again.

I'd definitely be open to accelerating that schedule, but a 10-year span would allow a sufficient buffer to allow a relatively pain-free adaptation process.

I'm not so hopeful. Seems all it takes is for democrats to lose their slim margins and the great undoing can recommence.

I think it can be done relatively pain free. It would require a lot though. For instance; subsidies for small businesses that can't pay $15 without causing hardships. And have it narrowly targeted.

[s_bushido]

For instance; subsidies for small businesses that can't pay $15 without causing hardships. And have it narrowly targeted.

"We employ the most people who are barely scraping by, so we should get some of that money to not pay them, too!"
~Walmart, probably.

[Edge-]

"We employ the most people who are barely scraping by, so we should get some of that money to not pay them, too!"
~Walmart, probably.

"Our franchise owners are small, independent businesses and there is absolutely no way that they can afford to pay this minimum wage in 89.4% of our locations." - Every fast food company, surely.

[Mihalik]

And how did you come to this conclusion?

He stuck his finger up his ass, popped it out, sniffed it, and determined that people working a full time job, should in fact continue working for starvation wages. Federally ofc.

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"Our franchise owners are small, independent businesses and there is absolutely no way that they can afford to pay this minimum wage in 89.4% of our locations." - Every fast food company, surely.

And the answer to that is...

-Have you considered lowering your franchise fees, ending stock buy backs and reducing some of your dividends?

-No? OK, then stfu and gtfo.

[Orange Joe]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2A92MH



GOD DAMNIT NEOLIBERAL AUSTERITY BIDEN!



GO...od? This seems good. I can live with this.

I mean personally I would be ok with the number being even lower. I mean if your making 100k+ and are struggling you are doing something wrong.

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Wait so...the $15 minimum wage increase in the stimulus is actually a $15 minimum wage by 2025? Are Dems serious right now?

This is how min wag increases has ALWAYS worked. You can't ever just make people take a huge jump it needs to be done in increments.

[Omega10]

This is definitely a sign of the signs. It is noteworthy that this was originally published in a business type web site.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...?siteid=yhoof2

Title: Opinion: The COVID-19 vaccine gives America a chance to lead the world again — just keep Big Pharma out

Basically there are two premises of the article.

Excerpts:

Former President Donald Trump’s “America First” nationalism still carries severe implications. While it may not seem like it right now, the U.S. has reserved enough doses to vaccinate every American over four times over. But worldwide, frontline workers, teachers, and older people with chronic conditions may have to wait years until they get protection from the virus.

Vaccinating every American and ensuring equitable access to the vaccine for less-wealthy nations depends more on politics than on resources. Access in a global pandemic should be based on risk level and need, not a country’s financial standing. What’s more, bold choices now by elected officials could create a surge in global vaccine production to meet global demand.

Biden has a tremendous opportunity to restore the U.S. as a global leader on many fronts. But guaranteeing affordable and equitable access to the vaccine will require the president to do more — rejecting business as usual and adopting serious measures to end drug corporations’ monopoly control over prices.

Fair and equitable access to a vaccine for Americans and people all over the world is not a job the U.S. can leave to the drug companies. Recently, more than 100 leaders in public health, faith, economics and other areas signed an open letter to Biden, calling on the administration to make the COVID vaccine a global public good. Because as long as drug corporations are allowed to set their own prices for vaccines and treatments, the same drug companies that are promising benevolence right now will default to price-gouging. It’s happened before. Price-gouging on all kinds of basic medicines that have been developed with public dollars over the years foreshadows what we can expect if COVID medicines are left in the hands of Big Pharma.

Basically, it calls for the US becoming a COVID vaccine leader, while taking strong steps to prevent the vaccine makers from price gouging. Already pharmaceutical companies are looking forward to a strong and enduring virus that provides them with annual, or if they are lucky and the virus mutates a lot, biannual vaccines for everyone, not just in this country, but worldwide. The stronger and more deadly the virus, the more money the pharmaceutical companies can make with their vaccines.

This article charts a course of action where the US returns to the idea of being a world leader, while reducing the costs to the US by denying some of the profits that pharmaceutical companies want.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Good morning! Time for breakfast .... I'm having some koffie with some buttered ontbijtkoek.

Reading my krant



De Volkskrant labels Biden's start as "unprecedented progressive".

/spits out koffie

Schnell, gibt mir den Spiegel!



/spits out kafe

This cant be real! I hate it when I speak dutch or german in my dreams.

Or maybe the whole "Dems/Biden are centree right in Europe" is the real fantasy.

[Themius]

Good morning! Time for breakfast .... I'm having some koffie with some buttered ontbijtkoek.

Reading my krant



De Volkskrant labels Biden's start as "unprecedented progressive".

/spits out koffie

Schnell, gibt mir den Spiegel!



/spits out kafe

This cant be real! I hate it when I speak dutch or german in my dreams.

Or maybe the whole "Dems/Biden are centree right in Europe" is the real fantasy.

Wait so Biden doing something other European countries already do makes him “comrade Biden”??

[infinitemeridian]

The problem with the minimum wage increase is the lack of political reality that undergirds many of these proposals. Anything that is proposed to take over 4 years (arguably 2 since they will almost certainly lose ground in 2022) should be seen as political suicide.

[Fugus]

The problem with the minimum wage increase is the lack of political reality that undergirds many of these proposals. Anything that is proposed to take over 4 years (arguably 2 since they will almost certainly lose ground in 2022) should be seen as political suicide.

Not entirely when it comes to stuff being phased in like minimum wage is. You see it going into effect during the process and gets noticeable because of it and each time it is stepped up.

While I agree that $15 is too little and too late, it’s better than nothing and will be noticed.

[Felya]

The problem with the minimum wage increase is the lack of political reality that undergirds many of these proposals. Anything that is proposed to take over 4 years (arguably 2 since they will almost certainly lose ground in 2022) should be seen as political suicide.

If they are committing suicide, what exactly are you doing by complaining that getting what you want, is late? What is getting nothing, in this scenario?

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While I agree that $15 is too little and too late, it’s better than nothing and will be noticed.

It won’t be noticed by those that should notice. We have “leftist” like Jimmy Dore, with his millions of followers, demanding that AOC and progressives get primaried as retribution. Look at GA... despite the rhetoric of 2k winning it for democrats, the GOP gained votes and democrats won by very slim margins. If you reject the 15$ an hour from current administration and demonize it, what is the end goal? Turn enough people away from democrats, so we can relive 2016 in 2024? What have you got to lose, they are all the same, again?

[wunksta]

Or maybe the whole "Dems/Biden are centree right in Europe" is the real fantasy.

Or maybe you can't take one policy in isolation while ignoring the rest. Bumping up minimum wage and sending out one wave of stimulus checks isn't far left.