Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[wunksta]

I am responding to a Dutch and German articles, calling Biden far left.

And the Dutch political parties United Communist Party and New Communist Party of the Netherlands are considered far left, which is why calling Biden or the Democrats in the US far left doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not trying to say that Biden and Democrats aren't passing progressive bills or making good changes, only that the 'far left' talking point is largely a Republican scare tactic.

[Endus]

I am responding to a Dutch and German articles, calling Biden far left.

Regardless, he still isn't remotely far left by any reasonable analysis. None of these points they raise are far left.

"Far left" basically stars up where you start working to dismantle the framework of capitalism itself, rather than just working to mitigate its excesses and abuses.

[Themius]

I mean who is the best judge of being left?

• Guys in a newspaper
• The Leftiest guy you know on MMOC
• The Leftiest guy you know on twitter

Me .... I prefer to go by over all policy.

Me .... I'm super skeptical of of dumb Political Compasses or Overtons. Which were invented by Libertarians as a way to say ,"both sides bad".

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ewww

this is a long way of saying you don't believe the USA is a right wing outlier.

Overall policy of Biden isn't far left let alone communist.

[wunksta]

My guess is that those magazines are just making tongue-in-cheek remarks, like 'Oh the USA is increasing the minimum wage? Welcome aboard, comrade!'

[Themius]

My guess is that those magazines are just making tongue-in-cheek remarks, like 'Oh the USA is increasing the minimum wage? Welcome aboard, comrade!'

Hyperbolic teasing. I do it all the time with my friends.

[Rasulis]

Over 33,000 registered voters left California GOP in January

I doubt the GOP will hold on to the seats that they won in in CA in 2020.

BTW, I agree with Neera Tanden, "Vampires do have more heart than Ted Cruz."

[Milchshake]

Today's OMB hearings.

Budget chairman gives OMB nominee Neera Tanden a big hug.
Finding agreement on:

• $15/hour minimum wage
• Tripling K-12 funding
• Lowering the Medicare age
• Lowering prescription drug prices
• Universal pre-K
• etc...

Siri, is that a winter storm or the collective cries of anguish from Bernie Bros?

[Breccia]

allowing Americans to bring home more of their paycheck.

Trump supporters like yourself already "tried" that, with the tax cut for the rich. Big surprise, it didn't do what you're suggesting.

Incidentally, Trump supporters like yourself shouldn't put negative connotation on "throwing money at workers" considering what Trump did with the socialist farmer bailout. Or, was that somehow okay?

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As expected, Biden's DoJ announces support of the ACA to the Supreme Court.

As a reminder, Texas challenged the ACA because Trump used Executive Orders to lower the penalty, the one for not having insurance, to $0. Texas is still pushing forwards, but in theory Biden could neuter their argument by reverting the penalty to its original form. As a reminder, the ACA had two major legs: everyone gets insurance, but in return, insurers can't reject you or kick you out. Trump promised people they'd be covered basically for free, which of course doesn't work. Biden reverting the penalty -- and yes, that'd be unpopular -- would be realistic and in theory is the only currently viable way to protect pre-existing conditions. Which Trump personally tried to remove, despite promising otherwise.

[beanman12345]

Today's OMB hearings.

Budget chairman gives OMB nominee Neera Tanden a big hug.
Finding agreement on:

• $15/hour minimum wage
• Tripling K-12 funding
• Lowering the Medicare age
• Lowering prescription drug prices
• Universal pre-K
• etc...

Siri, is that a winter storm or the collective cries of anguish from Bernie Bros?

im sure dore and greenwald are having fits right now.

[Machismo]

I believe $15/hr would put us at the highest minimum wage in the world...which I would support, even if I think it's too high, but $20+ is preposterous, and isn't going to happen anyway.

I don't believe throwing more money at workers is the solution you think it is. We need to focus on lowering costs of living and allowing Americans to bring home more of their paycheck.

That sounds great.

Were you outraged when Trump increased tariffs, and attacked businesses?

[Milchshake]

Trump supporters like yourself already "tried" that, with the tax cut for the rich. Big surprise, it didn't do what you're suggesting.

Incidentally, Trump supporters like yourself shouldn't put negative connotation on "throwing money at workers" considering what Trump did with the socialist farmer bailout. Or, was that somehow okay?

As expected, Biden's DoJ announces support of the ACA to the Supreme Court.

This is huge. Next to Trump supporters, some of our anti-Dem dumdums were claiming that "Biden wont cover these 400 people".

They spent 4 years ignoring that Trump was directing the DOJ to kill the ACA, along with Protection for PreExisting Conditions. Which would strip some 30+ million people of coverage.

Maybe its a better argument to make if they're only pretending to be autistic and your parents will cover your preexisting condition.


Without DoJ support, the Texas argument looks much weaker.... Unless you're a conservative judge.


But pointing out that presidential elections are basically a referendum on conservative judges, is blackmail.

im sure dore and greenwald are having fits right now.

Biden team also affirmed they are seeking extradition for Assange .... womp womp.

[Themius]

Siri, is that a winter storm or the collective cries of anguish from Bernie Bros?

I'm truly confused with the attacking of Bernie supporters. Which you have grouped all into this "Bernie Bro" group. Considering that Bernie wanted these things... and you know that's who the budget chairman is... what's up with the "anguish of bernie bros" comment? You've spent every thread you're in attacking Bernie Supporters, it is the most bogus thing.

[shimerra]

I'm truly confused with the attacking of Bernie supporters. Which you have grouped all into this "Bernie Bro" group. Considering that Bernie wanted these things... and you know that's who the budget chairman is... what's up with the "anguish of bernie bros" comment? You've spent every thread you're in attacking Bernie Supporters, it is the most bogus thing.

If you're confused you weren't at all paying attention even the tinniest bit this election season.

[Themius]

If you're confused you weren't at all paying attention even the tinniest bit this election season.

Oh i was, and when Biden won the nomination I was around when Biden supporters were gloating about Bernie supporters. Not toxic bernie supports just people that supported Bernie at all like the person i am quoting.

[Trifle]

I believe $15/hr would put us at the highest minimum wage in the world...which I would support, even if I think it's too high, but $20+ is preposterous, and isn't going to happen anyway.

NZ minimum wage is $18.90/hr atm, increasing to $20/hr in April. Just saying.

[Milchshake]

I'm truly confused with the attacking of Bernie supporters. Which you have grouped all into this "Bernie Bro" group. Considering that Bernie wanted these things... and you know that's who the budget chairman is... what's up with the "anguish of bernie bros" comment? You've spent every thread you're in attacking Bernie Supporters, it is the most bogus thing.

We get it, you're confused.

A year ago you spent a page bragging about having me on ignore. Suggesting that others put me on ignore, because I admitted that I like to shitpost on Bernie and his most obnoxious fanbois.
Yet you cant help quoting me .... you are definitely confused.

Other points of confusion:
Assuming all progressives are Bernie Supporters.
Assuming all Bernie Supporters are Bernie Bros.
Assuming any criticism of Bernie Bros is directed at you. (maybe identify yourself as a Bro, or King of the MMOC Bros?)

I'm enjoying the heightened irony of Bernie working with Dems. When a year ago, his most obnoxious supporters were swearing they could never vote for Biden.
That his most obnoxious supporters are animated by their dislike for Dems, more than actual policies. Which has been very obvious for 4 long years. Each cabinet nominee proves this again, and again.


Anyways, thanks for proving my point.

Good day sir.

[beanman12345]

Biden team also affirmed they are seeking extradition for Assange .... womp womp.

Hope the higher judge doesn't think depression is enough of a reason to let that fuck go free like this lower one did.

[Draco-Onis]

I believe $15/hr would put us at the highest minimum wage in the world...which I would support, even if I think it's too high, but $20+ is preposterous, and isn't going to happen anyway.

I don't believe throwing more money at workers is the solution you think it is. We need to focus on lowering costs of living and allowing Americans to bring home more of their paycheck.

You ignore the fact that this isn't happening right away and that as you said the cost of living is higher in the US. Also the concept that 31K will be a lot of money in 2025-6 is downright laughable.

[beanman12345]

I'm truly confused with the attacking of Bernie supporters. Which you have grouped all into this "Bernie Bro" group. Considering that Bernie wanted these things... and you know that's who the budget chairman is... what's up with the "anguish of bernie bros" comment? You've spent every thread you're in attacking Bernie Supporters, it is the most bogus thing.

I'm a hardcore bernie supporter, I don't feel attacked. Though I understand the confusion, took me a few months in during the primary a year ago to realize when he's attacking "bernie bro's", he's not attacking rational thinking bernie supporters, but right wing grifters and their followers of them.

[Themius]

We get it, you're confused.

A year ago you spent a page bragging about having me on ignore. Suggesting that others put me on ignore, because I admitted that I like to shitpost on Bernie and his most obnoxious fanbois.
Yet you cant help quoting me .... you are definitely confused.

Other points of confusion:
Assuming all progressives are Bernie Supporters.
Assuming all Bernie Supporters are Bernie Bros.
Assuming any criticism of Bernie Bros is directed at you. (maybe identify yourself as a Bro, or King of the MMOC Bros?)

I'm enjoying the heightened irony of Bernie working with Dems. When a year ago, his most obnoxious supporters were swearing they could never vote for Biden.
That his most obnoxious supporters are animated by their dislike for Dems, more than actual policies. Which has been very obvious for 4 long years. Each cabinet nominee proves this again, and again.


Anyways, thanks for proving my point.

Good day sir.

My dear... you were the one who ignored my posts last year when i quoted every single post of mine to show you were an utter liar. You never responded. I didn't put you on ignore...

I never assumed all progressives were Bernie supports

You assumed all Bernie supporters were Bernie bros when you attacked me for criticising Biden in the same post i complimented Biden and said I was voting for him. I mean shall we go through this again? Shall i bring up all the posts where you overtly lied and then never responded to them?

Do tell me what is a Bernie Bro because you claimed I was a Bernie Bro and attacked me for saying.... "I don't like Biden's position on this" you also attacked me for saying "Bernie's policies are popular in exit polling"

You're a fucking Rabid "Biden Bro" if you want a label.

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I'm a hardcore bernie supporter, I don't feel attacked. Though I understand the confusion, took me a few months in during the primary a year ago to realize when he's attacking "bernie bro's", he's not attacking rational thinking bernie supporters, but right wing grifters and their followers of them.

Mm so that would be what bernie/ to trump voters.

The point of contention is... he has attacked me in the past for disagreeing with Biden and Agreeing with bernie on policy and noting exit polling all the while I literally complimented Biden and said I would vote for him.

That is why I am not buying the "not rational thinking Bernie supports but right-wing grifters"

It is painfully obvious I am not right-wing but he lumped me in and attacked me in the past for daring to criticise Biden (while also complimenting him at the same time mind you)

Also note his post to me

When a year ago, his most obnoxious supporters were swearing they could never vote for Biden.

This doesn't denote "right-wing grifters" but Bernie supporters who didn't want to vote for Biden..