Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

Because the suburbs make for a much nicer quality of life than living in the heart of a major city for many people. I like having a yard for my grandkid and dogs to play in. I like being able to decide if I want to interact with people or not. Personally, I would rather be dead then live in a high population density location again.

Yep, like I said: suburbs are a social and environmental blight.

[Kellhound]

You mean like is already the case because you do not in fact decide where roads get laid or for what traffic density they are designed to handle? Lol.

And if it's an agency issue - good thing God gave you legs, huh.



I wouldn't trust someone who has only ever eaten well done steak with ketchup to have an informed opinion about cuisine, why would I trust people whose only experience with urban living has been enduring the likes of downtown Seattle for a few days out of the year to have an informed opinion as to what city living necessitates or is like? Rofl.

That is like saying there is no reason to object to cars being factory limited to 25mph because they are already limited to 120mph. God gave me legs, as well as bad knees. Plus I live in a place that has really sucky weather for walking in.

I spent over two years living in the heart of the Bay Area, and well over a year using transit to go to work and school in downtown Portland. Urban living= higher cost of living + lower quality of life.

[Themius]

Wouldn't work here. There isn't enough people and the area to cover is large.

Argument for people to live closer together.

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No, my problem is public transportation, by its nature, in any city, is limited to where and when it can be used. Then there is the fact that for it to be even marginally effect, people have to be packed together like sardines. For many people, city living isn't living, its a madhouse to be avoided as much as possible.

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Because the suburbs make for a much nicer quality of life than living in the heart of a major city for many people. I like having a yard for my grandkid and dogs to play in. I like being able to decide if I want to interact with people or not. Personally, I would rather be dead then live in a high population density location again.

So selfishness to the point of environmental economic and social degradation?

That’s not an argument.

[Kellhound]

Yep, like I said: suburbs are a social and environmental blight.

To you maybe, but not to a significant portion of the population. Large cities are nice to visit but suck to live in. One can easily partake in the few superior city offerings by visiting from the outskirts, while enjoying the better quality of life there.

[Themius]

To you maybe, but not to a significant portion of the population. Large cities are nice to visit but suck to live in. One can easily partake in the few superior city offerings by visiting from the outskirts, while enjoying the better quality of life there.

But there are studies and facts. They’re bad for the environment. They’re bad for the economy.

[Elegiac]

That is like saying there is no reason to object to cars being factory limited to 25mph because they are already limited to 120mph. God gave me legs, as well as bad knees. Plus I live in a place that has really sucky weather for walking in.

Technically speaking; yeah, there's no reason to object to such besides questioning what it would accomplish.

And as said - there's a whole lot that would be accomplished through reducing population sprawl and getting rid of suburbs in terms of providing manifest social and environmental benefits. So with that ground covered, the remaining objections pretty much boil down to "it makes me uncomfortable" which.... Okay? Y'all don't care about anyone else's comfort, why should anyone care about yours?

I spent over two years living in the heart of the Bay Area, and well over a year using transit to go to work and school in downtown Portland. Urban living= higher cost of living + lower quality of life.

So, yeah. You've only ever had the equivalent of well done steak with ketchup.

[Kellhound]

Argument for people to live closer together.

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So selfishness to the point of environmental economic and social degradation?

That’s not an argument.

Cities cause social degradation (its a concept that is in the eye of the beholder after all), and the loss of industries is what causes economic degradation. Cities may have an environmental advantage, but not one worth the cost of living in one.

[Machismo]

To you maybe, but not to a significant portion of the population. Large cities are nice to visit but suck to live in. One can easily partake in the few superior city offerings by visiting from the outskirts, while enjoying the better quality of life there.

Literally millions of people disagree...

[Elegiac]

To you maybe, but not to a significant portion of the population.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Facts don't care about y'alls feels.

[Kellhound]

But there are studies and facts. They’re bad for the environment. They’re bad for the economy.

Cities are bad for mental health and life enjoyment for many.

[Elegiac]

Cities cause social degradation

"People living in a central community causes social degradation but people atomizing themselves into little units where they rarely if ever have to interact with people outside of their immediate relatives isn't social degradation" is a pretty specious argument, lol.

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Cities are bad for mental health and life enjoyment for many.

Are cities bad for mental health, or is the culture of social atomization that has become the norm in the United States to the point people try to mimic it in cities bad for mental health?

[Kellhound]

Technically speaking; yeah, there's no reason to object to such besides questioning what it would accomplish.

And as said - there's a whole lot that would be accomplished through reducing population sprawl and getting rid of suburbs in terms of providing manifest social and environmental benefits. So with that ground covered, the remaining objections pretty much boil down to "it makes me uncomfortable" which.... Okay? Y'all don't care about anyone else's comfort, why should anyone care about yours?



So, yeah. You've only ever had the equivalent of well done steak with ketchup.

Oh you can keep your cities and live in them all you want. I don't want to get rid of cities, just the notion that everyone should live in them.

Oh, so living in a major urban area and working in one don't give me insight into if living in an urban area sucks.......

[Machismo]

Cities are bad for mental health and life enjoyment for many.

So are rural areas

[Kellhound]

Literally millions of people disagree...

And millions agree. Funny thing about people, we are not all alike.

[Themius]

Cities cause social degradation (its a concept that is in the eye of the beholder after all), and the loss of industries is what causes economic degradation. Cities may have an environmental advantage, but not one worth the cost of living in one.

Cities cause social degradation "because I'm a person from the suburbs with racist superiority views" Yeah no one gives a fuck about suburbanite opinions on that.

The reasons for social degradation is that suburbs demand a certain amount of extra money spent just to get around, which then mean people must drive themselves into debt to buy a car if they lose that car then they can't work if they can't work they are unemployed and face losing housing. This is a social cost for the country, an economic cost and an environmental one.

[Belize]

Cities are bad for mental health and life enjoyment for many.

The countryside is an opioid ridden shithole filled with equally unhappy, but less educated bigots.

Do you really want to go down that road?

[Elegiac]

Oh you can keep your cities and live in them all you want. I don't want to get rid of cities, just the notion that everyone should live in them.

Well, sadly it's you versus fact no matter how many times you try to declare a given concept "subjective". Lol.

Oh, so living in a major urban area and working in one don't give me insight into if living in an urban area sucks.......

Yep. You're literally drawing from some of the worst examples and declaring them illustrative of the entire data set.

[Themius]

Cities are bad for mental health and life enjoyment for many.

Life enjoyment? The fuck do you do in a suburb?

Suburbs are a waste of fucking money they cost taxpayers way more than they bring in they are a blight.

[Elegiac]

Life enjoyment? The fuck do you do in a suburb?

The defense usually given is "well you can still drive to the city to do things, you just don't have to live around other people".

Which... Yeah. The philosophy of personal responsibility is telling us its adherents are entitled to convenience.

[Kellhound]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Facts don't care about y'alls feels.

I care about my mental health and the quality of my life.