Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

I care about my mental health and the quality of my life.

Then why on earth would you move somewhere with less access to mental health services, -and- a rampant opioid epidemic? Good lord. :gasp:

[Machismo]

And millions agree. Funny thing about people, we are not all alike.

So, stop trying to make blanket statements...

[Themius]

When it cost 400k to fix a road with 3 houses on it that only pay roughly 30k something in property taxes that's a broken fucking system.

When an old style shopping location with 3-4 stores that bring in 1.3mn in taxes gets replaced with a new fancy super-specific fast-food chain that brings in 800k for the same sq footage, and can't be quickly flipped to another business type... that's a fucking waste.

This is what we see time and time and time again with suburbs. They spread shit out, but everything is more expensive and is literally going to lose money in a few years, but the government keeps dumping money into states for infrastructure spending and this is how they choose to spend it... literally suburbs are a perfect example of capitalism

Suburbs require infinite growth else the entire concept of them crashes. If the government stopped dumping money into suburban expansion and required that they be able to balance their debts like city areas, they would all go bust...

Suburbs go bust not because industries left, but instead, they go bust because THE SUBURB ITSELF RUNS OUT OF MONEY to maintain shit because they take in so little taxes due to spread, yet because of spread THEY DEMAND HIGH MAINTENANCE BEYOND WHAT TAXES CAN PAY FOR

They're a fucking ponzi scheme...

[Kellhound]

Cities cause social degradation "because I'm a person from the suburbs with racist superiority views" Yeah no one gives a fuck about suburbanite opinions on that.

The reasons for social degradation is that suburbs demand a certain amount of extra money spent just to get around, which then mean people must drive themselves into debt to buy a car if they lose that car then they can't work if they can't work they are unemployed and face losing housing. This is a social cost for the country, an economic cost and an environmental one.

You may not care, but you are not everyone.

I can buy a large house with a yard outside the city core for less than I can rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the city. Cost of a vehicle? I commute in a $500 car I bought 7 years ago.

[Shadowferal]

Because living in a city and being limited by public transit absolutely SUCKS.

I certainly agree there.

[Themius]

I certainly agree there.

The limiting of public transit only happens because the wider county is usually busy building out wide ass suburbs that lose money.

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You may not care, but you are not everyone.

I can buy a large house with a yard outside the city core for less than I can rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the city. Cost of a vehicle? I commute in a $500 car I bought 7 years ago.

How many $500 cars are there?

And I doubt you can buy a large house for 2 bedroom rent...

[Machismo]

Everyone knows it's a lot easier to be a white supremacist in rural areas. There's less chance you are found out, and less chance you have to deal with the types of people against whom you are bigoted.

[Elegiac]

You may not care, but you are not everyone.

I can buy a large house with a yard outside the city core for less than I can rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the city. Cost of a vehicle? I commute in a $500 car I bought 7 years ago.

Cool, now add on insurance, gasoline, and maintenance and you'll see why the "I bought a shitty car super cheap a decade ago" isn't an argument, lol.

[Belize]

You may not care, but you are not everyone.

I can buy a large house with a yard outside the city core for less than I can rent a 2 bedroom apartment in the city. Cost of a vehicle? I commute in a $500 car I bought 7 years ago.

The more you post, the more it just looks like you're super salty about living in a poverty ridden shithole, and you have to make stuff up about how bad cities are to make yourself feel better...

[Kellhound]

Well, sadly it's you versus fact no matter how many times you try to declare a given concept "subjective". Lol.



Yep. You're literally drawing from some of the worst examples and declaring them illustrative of the entire data set.

Both sides can point to facts, the subjectivity comes in on what facts are more important.

I have not seen a major difference between the urban areas I have lived in and those that I have visited. NYC, Denver, LA, Memphis, Seattle, Dallas, San Diego, Kansas City, Phoenix, all nice places to visit for specific purposes, but none are worth living in.

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Then why on earth would you move somewhere with less access to mental health services, -and- a rampant opioid epidemic? Good lord. :gasp:

Access is less important when your health is better to begin with. Drugs do not have an impact on me, at least no more so than in the city.

[Ausr]

I don't know what car you could ever by in 2014 for $500 unless it was an already rusted out shitbox and I doubt you're saving any money with the gas and repairs you are most certainly making constantly.

[Elegiac]

Both sides can point to facts

Except... they can't. Hence why you have to add the "well some facts are subjective" disclaimer whenever you point to your 'facts'. Lol.

I have not seen a major difference between the urban areas I have lived in and those that I have visited. NYC, Denver, LA, Memphis, Seattle, Dallas, San Diego, Kansas City, Phoenix, all nice places to visit for specific purposes, but none are worth living in.

So you've had hundreds of varieties of well cooked steak with ketchup. Okay? This doesn't change my point about this country's cities largely being the result of mismanagement rather than shit inherent to urban living.

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Access is less important when your health is better to begin with.

Yeah, except you didn't demonstrate that your health would be better to begin with. Rofl.

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I don't know what car you could ever by in 2014 for $500 unless it was an already rusted out shitbox and I doubt you're saving any money with the gas and repairs you are most certainly making constantly.

It really does have "small loan of a million dollars" energy, doesn't it?

The irony in people like that complaining about others being entitled when they don't take even a second to examine if their circumstances might be exceptional. Or worse, they don't care.

[Kellhound]

The limiting of public transit only happens because the wider county is usually busy building out wide ass suburbs that lose money.

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How many $500 cars are there?

And I doubt you can buy a large house for 2 bedroom rent...

Average rent in Portland is over $1450, for an average size apartment of 760sq.ft. I can buy a nice 4br 2b house on .14 acres down the street for $1350 a month with no down payment.

[Breccia]

Hence why you have to add the "well some facts are subjective" disclaimer whenever you point to your 'facts'.

Well, of course. He is a Trump supporter, after all. Hell, his lack of facts was what made him so easy to spot.

[Elegiac]

Average rent in Portland is over $1450, for an average size apartment of 760sq.ft. I can buy a nice 4br 2b house on .14 acres down the street for $1350 a month with no down payment.

So no, you can't actually buy a large house for the price of a month's rent.

What you can do is get a mortgage with that level of monthly payment, thus not helping the impression that suburban and exurban living is mostly a phenomenon of rich assholes wanting a Tuscan Villa lifestyle on a McMansion budget with an added side of demographic segregation.

[beanman12345]

The more you post, the more it just looks like you're super salty about living in a poverty ridden shithole, and you have to make stuff up about how bad cities are to make yourself feel better...

Yeah, they've convinced me, just trailer trash.

[Muzjhath]

Average rent in Portland is over $1450, for an average size apartment of 760sq.ft. I can buy a nice 4br 2b house on .14 acres down the street for $1350 a month with no down payment.

And, how much will utilities and insurance differ on those two properties? With equivallency of outcome I'm fairly sure the second one will have larger costs. Heating that house is far more expensive than heating the apartment. As an example. Trash collection is probably also more expensive.

[Logwyn]

NZ minimum wage is $18.90/hr atm, increasing to $20/hr in April. Just saying.

$20 in New Zealand Dollar is only $14.59 US Dollars but I agree the US needs to be $15

[Kellhound]

Cool, now add on insurance, gasoline, and maintenance and you'll see why the "I bought a shitty car super cheap a decade ago" isn't an argument, lol.

Insurance is cheap, dont need c&c. Gas is about $200 a month for almost 2000 miles of driving. Maintenance is also cheap, the good side of a 25 year old rwd vehicle.

[Elegiac]

Insurance is cheap, dont need c&c. Gas is about $200 a month for almost 2000 miles of driving. Maintenance is also cheap, the good side of a 25 year old rwd vehicle.

"I can afford it easily" does not mean it's cheap, sweaty. Lol.