1. #3841
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Nope. Your reading comprehension sucks. I said the climate changed last month. If you refuse to accept that as a fact you are hopeless.
    Did the climate change last month really? Fascinating stuff. Climate- "the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general over a long period."

  2. #3842
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Did the climate change last month really? Fascinating stuff. Climate- "the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general over a long period."
    Extreme weather events, like what happened in Texas, are all tied to the climate changing. They are happening more often. But hey, you are just going to do what you normally do, ignore reality.

  3. #3843
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    And the $2000 checks are stalled because Democrats are trying to get Republicans on board as he has no control over the purse strings, same with the student loan thing.
    So this is what I don't get and I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to this. The Democrats control everything right? You'd think they would just go ahead and vote everything through instead of waiting for the other side. I really don't understand this sort of decorum or trying to get the Republicans on board when they don't need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echowisp View Post
    So this is what I don't get and I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to this. The Democrats control everything right? You'd think they would just go ahead and vote everything through instead of waiting for the other side. I really don't understand this sort of decorum or trying to get the Republicans on board when they don't need them.
    They can't, not with every bill, not while the filibuster is still in place, and we know Republicans don't follow their own shitty rules. Republicans pushed everything through with 52 votes under Trump, but if Democrats try to do it, they will filibuster constantly, like they did under Obama. Including filibustering judicial nominees.

  5. #3845
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Models aren't expected or intended to accurately predict outlier events or their consequences.

    Nor does the failure of a model mean you get to make up whatever you want to believe and pretend that's true.

    I thought you said you worked in this kind of field? This is basic ethical practice shit when dealing with predictive modelling.
    What's the outlier event then? So you are conceding that something did if fact change the pattern.

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    Say it with me; "climate change."

  7. #3847
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    They can't, not with every bill, not while the filibuster is still in place, and we know Republicans don't follow their own shitty rules. Republicans pushed everything through with 52 votes under Trump, but if Democrats try to do it, they will filibuster constantly, like they did under Obama. Including filibustering judicial nominees.
    I see.

    I think they decided not to remove the filibuster rule. Thank you for your response.

  8. #3848
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    We shouldn’t give 2 fucks if China isn’t doing enough(they are actually taking steps to address climate change). It’s like saying we need to be as bad as the worst people. What kind of sense does that make. We may not be able to control what others do, but we should do our best to be the gold standard in this fight. The entire world is moving toward renewables, innovating and being a leader means we all benefit twice as much compared to the general benefit of slowing climate change as much as possible until we can create those technologies that will help us deal with it. Surrendering to worse and worse situations isn’t the route I choose to take. You apparently want to see Texas have issues every week until we finally figure it out.
    No I absolutely do not believe we should put ourselves in an economic disadvantage to China to impose climate rules that may or may not benefit the Climate. That answer your question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s called climate change turning once in a century weather events into once in a decade weather events. Heading for once a year.
    Please stop, we are talking about a period of 1 month time. The Energy markets did not wake up in January and say, Oh shit Climate change is coming better raise gas prices 20%. Come on man, get with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    No I absolutely do not believe we should put ourselves in an economic disadvantage to China to impose climate rules that may or may not benefit the Climate. That answer your question?
    There's no "may not" here, sweaty. It's established fact that reduction of CO2 emissions is an eminent necessity, y'all just don't like admitting there are problems that can't be solved just by making the money number go up.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Never mind that being a leader in renewable manufacturing and development would place us at a distinct economic advantage as more and more countries pivot away from fossil fuels.
    It would also, you know, avoid the economic disadvantages incurred by doing nothing regarding climate change. Rofl.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  11. #3851
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I just explained how driving the renewables sector puts us at a distinct economic advantage and this is your takeaway?
    Government imposed tax and regulation in no way puts us in a "Distinct Economic Advantage" What you are talking about is free market innovation, which I agree with.

  12. #3852
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Government imposed tax and regulation in no way puts us in a "Distinct Economic Advantage" What you are talking about is free market innovation, which I agree with.
    Texas was a learning experience that you obviously failed to learn from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Government imposed tax and regulation in no way puts us in a "Distinct Economic Advantage" What you are talking about is free market innovation, which I agree with.
    You mean the market which resulted in the energy production capital of the US being unable to cope with, as you put it, "three inches of snow"? That free market?
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  14. #3854
    Quote Originally Posted by echowisp View Post
    I see.

    I think they decided not to remove the filibuster rule. Thank you for your response.
    They want to, but the more conservative Democrats like Joe "Useless" Manchin doesn't want to remove it, for some fucking reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Texas was a learning experience that you obviously failed to learn from.
    Considering he blamed it on Biden, for some fucking reason, and not Abbott for suing to stop the grid from being updated in 2011, is fucking hilarious though. Even though, clearly, there is nothing Biden did to cause the extreme cold and snow. But there was plenty of stuff they could have done, like what El Paso did, they winterized their stuff, and left the "Texas Only" electrical grid and joined the western grid. Granted, they don't have to leave the Texas grid, but they should absolutely winterize their stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    There's no "may not" here, sweaty. It's established fact that reduction of CO2 emissions is an eminent necessity, y'all just don't like admitting there are problems that can't be solved just by making the money number go up.
    y'all just don't like admitting that we don't have a real solution to the problem, and will not for many years. Government regulation will never fix the climate, but it will make lots of people rich in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    y'all just don't like admitting that we don't have a real solution to the problem
    We do, though. Cutting carbon emissions.

    Government regulation will never fix the climate, but it will make lots of people rich in politics.
    "Because I say so" isn't a particularly compelling argument, sweaty.

    Again, we have a perfect example of how the free market copes with climate change in what's happening with Texas right now. And the answer is "badly", which is ironic considering the free market caused the problem in the first place. Lul.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  17. #3857
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    y'all just don't like admitting that we don't have a real solution to the problem, and will not for many years. Government regulation will never fix the climate, but it will make lots of people rich in politics.
    Abd your silly "free market" bullshit has already proven itself by the amount of people killed in the past week alone.

  18. #3858
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    You mean the market which resulted in the energy production capital of the US being unable to cope with, as you put it, "three inches of snow"? That free market?
    No I'm talking about the Free Market that created the fastest Vaccine development in the history of Mankind, and will soon show financial incentive to live and travel to Mars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    y'all just don't like admitting that we don't have a real solution to the problem, and will not for many years. Government regulation will never fix the climate, but it will make lots of people rich in politics.
    ...Except that there are solutions, it's just that bought-out politicians and large fossil fuel corporations are fighting tooth and nail against the solutions.

    It seems your extended vacation hasn't helped your problem-solving or comprehension issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    I never said any of that. I said AAA has an agenda, as does Fox news, to sway opinion. The rest is just your meds kicking in.
    You are also saying they are both lying, to benefit Biden. I don’t understand why you refuse to expose such a conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    No I'm talking about the Free Market that created the fastest Vaccine development in the history of Mankind
    The free market of Germany?
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