1. #3881
    Quote Originally Posted by wunksta View Post
    The Senate needs a two-thirds vote to change any of its own rules.
    Crap, so it's easier to nuke the filibuster than to revert it.....
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  2. #3882
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Crap, so it's easier to nuke the filibuster than to revert it.....
    So what the Dems could do is create a precedent (the "nuclear option", which requires a simple majority) and could bypass the filibuster. Otherwise, officially changing the rules requires two-thirds.

    How would eliminating the filibuster actually work?
    The most straightforward way to eliminate the filibuster would be to formally change the text of Senate Rule 22, the cloture rule that requires 60 votes to end debate on legislation. Here’s the catch: Ending debate on a resolution to change the Senate’s standing rules requires the support of two-thirds of the members present and voting. Absent a large, bipartisan Senate majority that favors curtailing the right to debate, a formal change in Rule 22 is extremely unlikely.

    A more complicated, but more likely, way to ban the filibuster would be to create a new Senate precedent. The chamber’s precedents exist alongside its formal rules to provide additional insight into how and when its rules have been applied in particular ways. Importantly, this approach to curtailing the filibuster—colloquially known as the “nuclear option” and more formally as “reform by ruling”—can, in certain circumstances, be employed with support from only a simple majority of senators.

    The nuclear option leverages the fact that a new precedent can be created by a senator raising a point of order, or claiming that a Senate rule is being violated. If the presiding officer (typically a member of the Senate) agrees, that ruling establishes a new precedent. If the presiding officer disagrees, another senator can appeal the ruling of the chair. If a majority of the Senate votes to reverse the decision of the chair, then the opposite of the chair’s ruling becomes the new precedent.
    https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020...-eliminate-it/

  3. #3883
    Quote Originally Posted by wunksta View Post
    So what the Dems could do is create a precedent (the "nuclear option", which requires a simple majority) and could bypass the filibuster. Otherwise, officially changing the rules requires two-thirds.
    As much as I'm anxious for things to move forward, it seems like the best democrats can do is to get as much in their one filibuster proof bill as they can, and then create bills with the idea that republicans will filibuster them during this session, but maybe not so easily in 2022. Under current rules, democrats get 1 bill per session that they can pass. These bills have to be made to count, and then make sure that plenty of ads talking about what republicans are preventing democrats from doing are made repeatedly, and that the way to get things done is to vote in more democrats.

    Basically, President Biden needs to "go to the people" and overrule the republicans that are in office as much as possible. At the town hall he proved that he has what it takes to make the case. Hopefully he'll do it. In the meantime, repair the damage that Trump did to the federal government in his 4 years.

  4. #3884
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    As much as I'm anxious for things to move forward, it seems like the best democrats can do is to get as much in their one filibuster proof bill as they can, and then create bills with the idea that republicans will filibuster them during this session, but maybe not so easily in 2022. Under current rules, democrats get 1 bill per session that they can pass. These bills have to be made to count, and then make sure that plenty of ads talking about what republicans are preventing democrats from doing are made repeatedly, and that the way to get things done is to vote in more democrats.

    Basically, President Biden needs to "go to the people" and overrule the republicans that are in office as much as possible. At the town hall he proved that he has what it takes to make the case. Hopefully he'll do it. In the meantime, repair the damage that Trump did to the federal government in his 4 years.
    It helps when the GOP are also shooting themselves in the dick like they are in Texas right now.

  5. #3885
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The GOP need a distraction...
    MEXICO THREATENS TO BUILD WALL!!!
    And we're gonna pay for it?

    I mean...if it'll keep Ted Cruz in Cancun, I'll throw some money at the gofundme.

  6. #3886
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Crap, so it's easier to nuke the filibuster than to revert it.....
    Good thing they have the power to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

  7. #3887
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    How many votes would it take to revert it back to the old way and actually force them to talk again?

    If they can do it with 51 votes, Manuchin could keep his word to McConnell and not nuke the filibuster but still move it back to what it was originally doing and force them to actually get up there and talk and not be able to postpone forever.
    They could get rid of it entirely with 51 votes.

  8. #3888
    Kinda wishing that comrade AMLO would deport Cruz to Venezuela by mistake.

    Wait ... Jacobin totally misrepresented AMLO? But they had a cute nickname for him.

  9. #3889
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Good thing they have the power to do so.
    Joe Manchin would never vote for it.

  10. #3890
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They could get rid of it entirely with 51 votes.
    But Joe Manchin has already promised he would not do that so long as the GOP doesn't abuse it excessively and doubt he would be as dishonest as McConnel or Graham when it comes to stuff like that.

    If they could have just reverted it, it would have solved the problem without him actually going back on his word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Joe Manchin would never vote for it.
    Being unwilling to do it does not exactly change they hold that power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

  12. #3892
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    But Joe Manchin has already promised he would not do that so long as the GOP doesn't abuse it excessively and doubt he would be as dishonest as McConnel or Graham when it comes to stuff like that.

    If they could have just reverted it, it would have solved the problem without him actually going back on his word.
    Still a lot closer than they were this time last year. In another 2? Who knows... there are a bunch of GOP Senators retiring.

  13. #3893
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Still a lot closer than they were this time last year. In another 2? Who knows... there are a bunch of GOP Senators retiring.
    Yeah, hoping they can get them in 2 years with how fucked up the GOP has been the past 12 years, especially after the GOP's cult leader is not running and effectively shit on the board on the way out while exposing them for what they really are to those outside of the cult.
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  14. #3894
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    It helps when the GOP are also shooting themselves in the dick like they are in Texas right now.
    That helps a lot. And Trump hasn't BEGUN his destruction of the republican party.

    Meanwhile, it looks like there will be not so much need to raise the minimum wage after all. If wages are already over $15 an hour, well it's a bit hard to care whether or not its mandatory.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/walma...194807229.html

    Title: Walmart just dealt a major blow to other retailers

    Excerpts:

    Walmart is putting its nearly $18 billion cash hoard to good use this year, and how it's spending it should absolutely scare the heck out of most other retailers.
    Sounds like Walmart is doing almost as well as Amazon in a lot of ways.

    First is the company's aggressive $14 billion capital investment plan for 2022. If that number is hit, it would mark a roughly $4 billon year-over-year increase from 2020. It would be the most capital Walmart has invested in its business since it spent $13.5 billion in calendar year 2011, according to Bloomberg data.

    For a company really no longer building U.S. super centers and going gangbusters with international store expansion, the year-over-year increase is significant and indeed stands out. The way Walmart puts it, the large sum of money will be used to take its business operations to the next level to support the future of consumption.

    "Around $14 billion with a focus on supply chain, automation, customer-facing initiatives and technology," Walmart said of its 2021 capital investment plan on its earnings release.

    In other words, expect Walmart to continue to expand its same-day delivery reach (now live at 3,000 U.S. stores), bolster its online operations (think more functionality and selection) and improve warehouse efficiencies. Taken together, Walmart will likely get tougher to beat on merchandise prices and speed of service (among other areas) as a result of its spending spree.
    Wow, this is them dealing with new market conditions.

    And, unlike Amazon, whose workforce would likely benefit a LOT from a $15 an hour minimum wage, not so much for Walmart. In other words, "warehouse efficiencies" does not boil down to "lower wages for workers", though it may indeed mean more automation and fewer workers.

    The second item that is being overlooked by investors is Walmart's decision to hike wages for workers.

    Walmart said Thursday it's raising wages for 425,000 of its nearly 1.5 million employees. Yahoo Finance's Julia LaRoche first reported that wage for Walmart’s 425,000 store associates in the digital and stocking workgroups will increase to a range of $13 to $19 per hour, depending on location and market. The pay increase will take effect on March 13.
    That could very well mean that 1 million employees are paid substantially LESS than $15 an hour, but it certainly is a nice move.

    It's at least a little piece of good news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Yeah, hoping they can get them in 2 years with how fucked up the GOP has been the past 12 years, especially after the GOP's cult leader is not running and effectively shit on the board on the way out while exposing them for what they really are to those outside of the cult.
    With the GOP currently imploding/splitting, 2022 might be a banner year for picking up Democratic seats. Hopefully we'll have a "perfect storm" of COVID defeated, Economy on the upswing, unemployment down, and the GOP still infighting. At the very least we might keep seats from going to the GOP as they typically might in an off year.

  16. #3896
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    With the GOP currently imploding/splitting, 2022 might be a banner year for picking up Democratic seats. Hopefully we'll have a "perfect storm" of COVID defeated, Economy on the upswing, unemployment down, and the GOP still infighting. At the very least we might keep seats from going to the GOP as they typically might in an off year.
    Not only that, but it may turn out that democrats get few if any legislative wins, but get our policies implemented anyways.

    If enough companies start paying close to $15 an hour, well that might be good enough. The Green New Deal may never be passed in its entirety, but if the pieces get implemented one at a time, it may not matter.

    The Texas Disaster has changed the way that the public views climate change, and is consistent with the priority that President Biden has already given it. One way for President Biden to get the Green New Deal enacted is to get the whole thing passed through Congress. Another way is for him to read what it is, and then implement each item in order of ease of implementation.

    There are already a lot of environment laws on the books that are not being enforced. Just enforcing a lot of these existing laws could go a long way towards achieving the goals of the Green New Deal.

  17. #3897
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    With the GOP currently imploding/splitting, 2022 might be a banner year for picking up Democratic seats. Hopefully we'll have a "perfect storm" of COVID defeated, Economy on the upswing, unemployment down, and the GOP still infighting. At the very least we might keep seats from going to the GOP as they typically might in an off year.
    While I am hopeful we should not underestimate democrats ability to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. The party is really bad at messaging and capitalizing on republicans making fools of themselves.

  18. #3898
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    The Texas Disaster has changed the way that the public views climate change
    Ehhhhhhh not really. Or at least not from what I've seen. The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real. As usual.

  19. #3899
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Ehhhhhhh not really. Or at least not from what I've seen. The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real. As usual.
    Trump supporters live in another reality however they are making a smaller percentage of Texas voters and people will be pissed about this. This is why the GOP is working overtime to pass bills to stop people from voting.

  20. #3900
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Ehhhhhhh not really. Or at least not from what I've seen. The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real. As usual.
    Conservatives can get fucked then. Dumb imbeciles
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