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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Now kill the filibuster and do it again in the Senate!
    I already got my cheerleading outfit on. So i'm down.
    I say; build off of wins from the Covid Relief and (incoming) infrastructure bills.

    I mean two years ago, AOC was staging a sit-in photo op in Nancy Pelosi's office. We need that energy, but for Shaheen/Manchin/Sinema. Funny that it's missing now.

    Unless the whole point for the left is to constantly play the Eeyore, because it sells more swag on twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Is Trump President yet, or has the date been pushed back again?
    Lol. Q'tards are equally hysterical and frightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Is Trump President yet, or has the date been pushed back again?
    https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theor...e-flag-1573871

    Today was a "FALSE FLAG!", it's actually gonna be March 20. Which will also likely be a "FALSE FLAG" as we look towards...I dunno, July 4? And they'll play the speech from Independence Day or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theor...e-flag-1573871

    Today was a "FALSE FLAG!", it's actually gonna be March 20. Which will also likely be a "FALSE FLAG" as we look towards...I dunno, July 4? And they'll play the speech from Independence Day or something.
    At least Trump is ramping up his hotel rates during these nothing-burger insurrection rehearsals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theor...e-flag-1573871

    Today was a "FALSE FLAG!", it's actually gonna be March 20. Which will also likely be a "FALSE FLAG" as we look towards...I dunno, July 4? And they'll play the speech from Independence Day or something.
    Oh good, we get at least 16 more days of Fake Biden being (fakely) competent.

    Then Trump can finally swoop in and smash every vaccine vial in his tiny hands to get us back on track to dying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    House Dems just passed the most important democracy reform bill since the 1965 Voting Rights Act!
    "Grant funds to states" well, there goes that GOP objection.

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    https://www.newsmax.com/mccaughey/co...03/id/1012390/

    If Newsmax is losing their shit over HR1, it must be pretty fuckin good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsmax.com/mccaughey/co...03/id/1012390/

    If Newsmax is losing their shit over HR1, it must be pretty fuckin good.
    ...one party nation ruled by Democrats...
    Sounds good to me idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsmax.com/mccaughey/co...03/id/1012390/

    If Newsmax is losing their shit over HR1, it must be pretty fuckin good.
    Of course they are. It's the first step in fixing the election process that has, until this point, just been the rural and confederate... I mean conservative states keeping everyone else hostage. Otherwise, they'd actually have to support popular policy and cultivate an actual platform and that "dog just ain't gonna hunt."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    If Newsmax is losing their shit over HR1, it must be pretty fuckin good.
    H.R. 1 also legalizes ballot harvesting, a practice many states are struggling to stop. A political organization pays a worker to walk through housing projects and neighborhoods, knock on doors, offer to help residents fill out the ballots they’ve received in the mail, and then submit the piles of completed ballots. It’s a recipe for fraud.
    Hey Edge- weren't some Republicans caught doing exactly that? And also, how do you feel about leading questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Multiple GOP AGs are claiming the voting rights bill is unConstitutional.

    Specifically, they say it would "rode faith in our elections and systems of governance".

    So first of all, expect challenges. Second of all, I expect these same AGs to publicly condemn the objectively false conspiracy theories Team Trump was spreading. Any day now. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany day now.
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    SCOTUS is about to peel back even more voting rights in the AZ case. This is part of the GOP's long game, if you can't get the votes, and you can't pass legitimate laws, pack the courts so they will rule in your favor.
    Yes, I stressed over this during Trump's administration but unlike the Dems the Republicans can walk and chew gum at the same time. Don't have the Presidency, House or Senate? That's ok, let's get working on state legislation that crushes voting rights and all the judges we put in should help.

    This is party is Fascists, but right now the team they are on is mainly white and well un-educated who seem to blame poor brown people for their problems instead of the rich.
    Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!

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    Well, it is time for the Senate debate hour for the COVID relief bill. Don't worry, Ron Johnson has a story to tell. He wants everyone to know what is in the bill by forcing a reading of the entire thing.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The Senate voted Thursday to open debate on President Biden’s $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill, as Democrats moved forward with no GOP support after failing to win over a single Republican senator on the new president’s first major legislative initiative.

    The vote was 51-50, with Vice President Harris breaking the 50-50 tie. GOP unity against the procedural motion all but guaranteed that no Republican will vote in favor of the legislation on final passage, which will come after hours of debate and an amendment free-for-all likely to drag into the weekend.

    Once it passes the Senate, the legislation will have to go back to the House for final approval before being sent to Biden’s desk for his signature. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has guaranteed the House will pass the Senate’s version of the bill, despite some changes that liberals dislike, including narrowing eligibility for $1,400 relief checks and excluding a $15 minimum wage.

    Democrats had been holding out hope that Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) would vote with them, but she did not, despite a handful of last-minute changes that could benefit her state. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) had made clear he wanted Republican senators to stay unified against the legislation, and they did.

    The vote Thursday came after last-minute negotiations that appeared to succeed in locking down support from wavering moderate Democrats -- even if no Republicans were convinced. In addition to limiting the relief checks, the legislation includes new limits on a $350 billion pot of state and local aid, setting aside $10 billion of it for infrastructure needs that could include broadband and including a rule barring cities and states from using any new federal money to pay down pension costs or offset new attempts to cut taxes.

    As soon as the Senate voted to proceed to the bill, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) insisted on a full reading of the 628-bill, which commenced immediately and could take hours. Senators normally waive a full reading of legislation but Johnson has described this as part of his plan to resist the legislation. He also intends to try to force votes on multiple amendments.

    Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said he welcomed Johnson’s move to have the bill read aloud so Americans could hear the contents of a measure that has polled well with the public -- and he vowed the Senate would stay at work until passing the legislation.

    “No matter how long it takes, the Senate is going to stay in session to finish the bill this week,” Schumer said.

    As Senate rushes $1.9 trillion bill through Congress, Biden faces doubts over whether it’s still the right package
    In addition to stimulus checks and state and local funding, the legislation also includes $130 billion for schools and some $160 billion for vaccines, testing and other assistance for the health care system, as well as rental assistance, an enhanced child tax credit, and an increase and extension of emergency federal unemployment benefits that would otherwise expire on March 14.

    Republicans railed against the legislation, saying it was replete with excess spending that was unrelated to the coronavirus and unnecessary after Congress already devoted some $4 billion last year to fighting the pandemic.

    “Calling this a coronavirus bill is like calling Harvey Weinstein a feminist,” Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) said on the Senate floor.

    Before the Senate can vote on final passage of the bill, there will be an open amendment process called a “vote-a-rama” with amendments expected from all sides. Johnson said he was trying to ensure as many amendments as possible were voted on, dragging out the process as long as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Because they want to use it against the opposition or themselves when it suits them, come on man you are much smarter than this you just don't want to admit you are wrong.

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    Basically this if Biden and the democrats don't pull their head out of their asses there will be no winning anything. If democrats do not stop the republicans they will rig the system so democrats never hold power again and they will bring their fascist clown to power in 2024. Those are the stakes but people like Breccia want to puff their chest about congressional traditions. The fascists are at the gates they just tried a violent insurrection the stakes couldn't be higher but hey maybe we can feel better about being the good guys when they take over cause we totes followed the rules when we had a chance to stop them.
    Haven't read between you and Breccia any but I don't think or at least hope he wouldn't push for a return to tradition, that is dead and buried with no hopes of return.

    If it isn't codified in the rules, then it doesn't exist and even if it is codified in the rules and their is no enforcement for breaking it, then that rule doesn't exist.

    If one side tries to fight using honor, dignity, good will and decorum and the other side is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and shoot their own people in the face for power and even willing to destroy the entire nation and flip the board if they can't get what they want, the cheaters will win 99% of the time unless the moral side is coming with MASSIVE overwhelming power to the point no attempts to cheat can overtake them. And while the Republicans don't have near the support they need to get next to anything democratically, the Democrats don't have the overwhelming force to counteract them when they pull their crap.

    And to be honest, the Democrats honestly seem to do that by design and seem to INTENTIONALLY be weak. Like they are the illusion of choice and their only real job in power is to keep the ship from sinking without actually fixing anything and work to counter the worst impulses of the Republicans at most. They are paper tigers who generally talk big when they have no power but when they get power refuse to do what they need to do to fix things and do just enough to keep the ship afloat. I mean they fight within their own ranks to keep those who actually try to fix things from having power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Today was a "FALSE FLAG!", it's actually gonna be March 20. Which will also likely be a "FALSE FLAG" as we look towards...I dunno, July 4? And they'll play the speech from Independence Day or something.
    Hah! Funny joke, you got me there! Surely the National Guard, knowing there--

    I am hearing from contacts at the National Guard that the U.S. Capitol Police have asked for a 60-day extension of the Guard’s mission in and around the Capitol, and that the Guard is soliciting states to send contributions.
    -- Trump cultist Rep. Stefanik, asking why, and immediately called out her own voters with lines like "maybe if you Republicans denounced the election fraud lies you wouldn't need a small army to protect you from Trump's rabid fanbase".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    SCOTUS is about to peel back even more voting rights in the AZ case. This is part of the GOP's long game, if you can't get the votes, and you can't pass legitimate laws, pack the courts so they will rule in your favor.
    At that point, they are BEGGING for violence and civil war, and unlike Yall-Queda, they would have JUSTIFIED people fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Just want to reiterate, too, that federal law supersedes State law, where federal law goes further. So States can't undercut this stuff by writing their own laws permitting such; those laws just get overruled by the federal standards. State law can be more protective than federal, but it can't be less; if it tries to do so, federal law takes over.
    I can see half a dozen things in this bill that the Supreme Court would take major issues with.

    That however doesn't matter as this bill is an empty pointless spectacle, treating it is anything but is laughable. Dems know it would never pass the Senate even if they nuked the filibuster, which btw they haven't.

    How about something real, like I dunno the COVID bailout bill and then Biden's infrastructure bill, as in things that can and will actually pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    How about something real
    Dude, just shut up. You aren't making yourself look intelligent by being dismissive of electoral reform legislation especially when SCOTUS' position about existing voter protections is predicated entirely on the old VRA being out of date, not that it doesn't have standing.

    Electoral reform is even more important than infrastructure, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    House Dems just passed the most important democracy reform bill since the 1965 Voting Rights Act!

    HR 1:

    Something worth nuking the filibuster for. Hopefully the DNC actually shows balls on this for once and hold their peoples feet to the fire and call out any GOP who go against it.

    Edit: Would also throw in a mandatory redistricting before the next election as part of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    I can see half a dozen things in this bill that the Supreme Court would take major issues with.
    They'd have little grounds to do so, for the most part. The Federal Government has pretty broad freedom to legislate as they see fit. In particular, the Constitution explicitly grants the federal government the authority to regulate federal elections, across a wide swath of sections and Amendments; you can't construe that this is reserved to the States alone under the 10th Amendment. Article 2, for instance, clearly delineates electoral authority for the federal government, and that's what this bill falls under.

    That however doesn't matter as this bill is an empty pointless spectacle, treating it is anything but is laughable. Dems know it would never pass the Senate even if they nuked the filibuster, which btw they haven't.
    That doesn't make it "empty spectacle". It means that Republicans are still willing to screw over the public in the name of the unethical retention of power.

    Making them demonstrate that malfeasance is valid enough on its own. And means that the Republicans are then responsible for this bill not taking effect.

    How about something real, like I dunno the COVID bailout bill and then Biden's infrastructure bill, as in things that can and will actually pass.
    This might surprise you, but politicians (indeed, most people) can plan out and work on more than a single project at once, particularly when you divide the work up amongst a body of colleagues, as the federal government does.

    The idea that you shouldn't do one good thing because there are other good things that could be done is just deeply wrong; doing all of them is an entirely valid stance to take and there's no reason to think there's any tradeoffs being done here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    This might surprise you, but politicians (indeed, most people) can plan out and work on more than a single project at once, particularly when you divide the work up amongst a body of colleagues, as the federal government does.

    The idea that you shouldn't do one good thing because there are other good things that could be done is just deeply wrong; doing all of them is an entirely valid stance to take and there's no reason to think there's any tradeoffs being done here.
    You're arguing against Part A of the typical 2 part conservative initial attack. Part B is centered around them complaining it won't prevent 100% of whatever issue so therefore its useless. They tend to move past this 2 part attack, once the pundits have handed down the talking points they should be using. If they get into an argument and make the mistake of staying in the argument too long, they can fall back on the 2 part initial attack to cover their retreat, then will lay in wait until process starts over again with new issue.
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