1. #4841
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Disappointed? IT'S AN ADVISORY OPINION OF AN UNELECTED BUREAUCRAT. not a fucking law ruling fuck outta here with that bullshit..... We are talking about millions of people making potentially an extra 16k at fulltime hours in the best case.
    YEAH! Let's hire capable individuals and throw them to the curb when they're inconvenient. I'm looking forward to the Dems becoming as ignorant as the GOP.

  2. #4842
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The minimum wage provision that the Senate Parliamentarian said had to go? That's fucking awesome - go Bernie!
    I dunno, odds this is another on of Bernie's bluffs.
    Sad thing about Bernie bluffs, they only work on very online people. On other senators ... not so much.

    Just 60 days ago ... "Sanders vows to filibuster the veto-override for the Defense Budget for $2,000 checks."
    That filibuster never happened. Odds that "Force the vote 3.0" happens ... not much better.

    Bernie just doesn't have 50 votes, either way. That's why he's been laying blame at the parliamentarian for the past few days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    YEAH! Let's hire capable individuals and throw them to the curb when they're inconvenient. I'm looking forward to the Dems becoming as ignorant as the GOP.
    It's basically your lawyer advising you to not do a thing, because you'll get sued for it.
    In this case, it delays the whole 1.9 trillion.

    /warp in that popcorn, itll be a long week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    It's basically your lawyer advising you to not do a thing, because you'll get sued for it.
    In this case, it delays the whole 1.9 trillion.

    /warp in that popcorn, itll be a long week.
    To be fair, the Dems will probably get sued anyways. Abbott's gotta distract the locals from how he blew up his own state. A frivolous lawsuit that'll test out the new SCOTUS majority sounds about right.

    I get people are really disappointed but instead of whining about how she's an unelected official, how about an explainer on why she might be wrong. The big point about electing Biden is that he'll listen to the opinion of capable bureaucrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    YEAH! Let's hire capable individuals and throw them to the curb when they're inconvenient. I'm looking forward to the Dems becoming as ignorant as the GOP.
    Corporate stooges are corporate stooges.

    The opinion is a fucking stupid once since wages DIRECTLY CORRELATES with how much money the government gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    To be fair, the Dems will probably get sued anyways. Abbott's gotta distract the locals from how he blew up his own state. A frivolous lawsuit that'll test out the new SCOTUS majority sounds about right.

    I get people are really disappointed but instead of whining about how she's an unelected official, how about an explainer on why she might be wrong. The big point about electing Biden is that he'll listen to the opinion of capable bureaucrats.
    Unelected person blocking the will of millions of voters. Stop licking that corporate dem boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    To be fair, the Dems will probably get sued anyways. Abbott's gotta distract the locals from how he blew up his own state. A frivolous lawsuit that'll test out the new SCOTUS majority sounds about right.

    I get people are really disappointed but instead of whining about how she's an unelected official, how about an explainer on why she might be wrong. The big point about electing Biden is that he'll listen to the opinion of capable bureaucrats.
    Capable bureaucrats versus podcasters ... I mean, Cenk Uyghur was supposedly a lawyer 20 odd years ago.


    Anyways, my money is on Bernie folding <again>. The March 12 cliff is coming.

    Coincidence, it's the about the anniversary for the 30% bluff getting called.... The moment the twitter/youtube theory of politics fell apart.

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  6. #4846
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Corporate stooges are corporate stooges.

    The opinion is a fucking stupid once since wages DIRECTLY CORRELATES with how much money the government gets.

    Unelected person blocking the will of millions of voters. Stop licking that corporate dem boot.
    Explain how she's a corporate stooge. Why is her opinion wrong?

    She's an appointee of Obama. He was elected by millions of voters to make decisions like this. Do you not understand how the bureaucracy is selected?

    What if all the dipshit taker states sue the Biden administration over this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Capable bureaucrats versus podcasters ... I mean, Cenk Uyghur was supposedly a lawyer 20 odd years ago.


    Anyways, my money is on Bernie folding <again>. The March 12 cliff is coming.
    Since there is no reason I can even think of for him not to do what he is proposing to do, i'll take the bet, how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Hmf...Republicans Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the ranking member of the committee, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, John Cornyn of Texas and Thom Tillis of North Carolina joined all Democrats on the panel in supporting the nomination.
    Cornyn doesn't surprise me. Graham kinda did. but he's been a coin flip lately...and I guess this wasn't technically a vote against Trump. Grassley doesn't strike me as the type to be threatened by the nomination. I don't know Tills enough to comment except by saying "I don't know Tills enough to comment".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Bernie Sanders quote was btw

    “I regard it absurd that the parliamentarian, a senate staffer elected by no one, can orecent a wage increase for 32 million workers.”
    [url=https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/970637190/senate-cant-vote-on-15-minimum-wage-parliamentarian-rules]The parliamentarian ruled that the $15/hr wage increase "does not fit the complicated rules that govern budget bills in the Senate". Which I believe means it has to be passed as a non-budget bill.

    I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she's not saying "no" but instead "not this way". However, I can't seem to find anything specific on that. Like, which rule is violated. For example, we know from the tax cut for the rich that there's a maximum amount a bill can add to the deficit...but, raising the minimum wage doesn't seem to do that, becaues the wages wouldn't be paid for by the US government.

    I'd like to see another shot at this, in its own merits (i.e. outside of a budget bill, since that's against Senate rules). Until then, the parliamentarian will be using my tagline.

  9. #4849
    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Since there is no reason I can even think of for him not to do what he is proposing to do, i'll take the bet, how much?
    I only make rhetorical wagers.

    But .... I have this commerative coin for being #3 on Tulsi's Enemy List.

    PS It also comes with three message board stalkers. That call you a neoliberal shill every other hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Cornyn doesn't surprise me. Graham kinda did. but he's been a coin flip lately...and I guess this wasn't technically a vote against Trump. Grassley doesn't strike me as the type to be threatened by the nomination. I don't know Tills enough to comment except by saying "I don't know Tills enough to comment".

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    [url=https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/970637190/senate-cant-vote-on-15-minimum-wage-parliamentarian-rules]The parliamentarian ruled that the $15/hr wage increase "does not fit the complicated rules that govern budget bills in the Senate". Which I believe means it has to be passed as a non-budget bill.

    I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she's not saying "no" but instead "not this way". However, I can't seem to find anything specific on that. Like, which rule is violated. For example, we know from the tax cut for the rich that there's a maximum amount a bill can add to the deficit...but, raising the minimum wage doesn't seem to do that, becaues the wages wouldn't be paid for by the US government.

    I'd like to see another shot at this, in its own merits (i.e. outside of a budget bill, since that's against Senate rules). Until then, the parliamentarian will be using my tagline.
    Saying “ not like this” the isn’t a rule but just more opinion

    You damn well know it wouldn’t pass standalone so what’s the point?
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  11. #4851
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Explain how she's a corporate stooge. Why is her opinion wrong?

    She's an appointee of Obama. He was elected by millions of voters to make decisions like this. Do you not understand how the bureaucracy is selected?

    What if all the dipshit taker states sue the Biden administration over this?
    The problem is she was appointed and making decisions based on a political lifetime ago.

    This is sadly a new reality, where the other side will and has literally done anything they can to impose their will. Including storming the capitol, after letting 500k people die. We will never keep this country from turning into a facist hellscape, if we have to play by made up rules the Repubs are never going to play by.

    Who cares if the states sue? Trump doesn't even get in trouble for blackmailing Ukraine and working with Russia to subvert an election then fomenting an insurrection. Going high when they go low, got us 4 years of Trump, and half million people killed along with untold businesses folding. The rules of the fight have changed, like it or not.

    Yes, its a slippery slope...but we're already halfway down it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Saying “ not like this” the isn’t a rule but just more opinion
    I'm just going to assume the parliamanetarian wasn't expressing an opinion when she said "the rules don't allow this". After all, the minimum wage has been raised before, so we know it's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'm just going to assume the parliamanetarian wasn't expressing an opinion when she said "the rules don't allow this". After all, the minimum wage has been raised before, so we know it's possible.
    Parliamentarians role is to give advisory opinions... which don’t have to be followed to begin with yet so many democrats seem ready to let die something over the opinion of one person after running on this shit for years.

    “But a president appointed them” so the fuck what.
    That doesn’t change shit. Presidential appointments frankly are stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'm just going to assume the parliamanetarian wasn't expressing an opinion when she said "the rules don't allow this". After all, the minimum wage has been raised before, so we know it's possible.
    That’s exactly what the parliamentarian does. Gives opinions that are simply advisory and in no way binding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    That’s exactly what the parliamentarian does. Gives opinions that are simply advisory and in no way binding.
    Okay, let me rephrase: she wasn't just making shit up. There was a specific rule she can/did point to, that backs what she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    That’s exactly what the parliamentarian does. Gives opinions that are simply advisory and in no way binding.
    Which makes democrats look stupid to not do it.

    “There’s no rule broken and it’s only an advisory opinion but we have disagree with an opinion!!! Sorry guys better luck in two decades”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Okay, let me rephrase: she wasn't just making shit up. There was a specific rule she can/did point to, that backs what she said.
    Oh? What rule?

    First it was it doesn’t affect the budget and therefore can’t count but we all know it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Oh? What rule?

    First it was it doesn’t affect the budget and therefore can’t count but we all know it does.
    Think he is referring to the Byrd rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Okay, let me rephrase: she wasn't just making shit up. There was a specific rule she can/did point to, that backs what she said.
    I don't think she's being nefarious or anything. I think she is giving her honest opinion based on the rules. The problem is, law isn't cut and dried. If it was, there'd be no need for lawyers. Its an opinion, from a lawyer.

    Now could she be right? Sure. But we live in a world where a president can incite a terrorist insurrection and suffer zero consequences.....let's roll the dice on increasing minimum wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I don't think she's being nefarious or anything. I think she is giving her honest opinion based on the rules. The problem is, law isn't cut and dried. If it was, there'd be no need for lawyers. Its an opinion, from a lawyer.

    Now could she be right? Sure. But we live in a world where a president can incite a terrorist insurrection and suffer zero consequences.....let's roll the dice on increasing minimum wage.
    Biden could just fire her just like republicans have and just shove it anyway or ignore her but he doesn't have the kind of backbone needed to make power moves like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I don't think she's being nefarious or anything. I think she is giving her honest opinion based on the rules. The problem is, law isn't cut and dried. If it was, there'd be no need for lawyers. Its an opinion, from a lawyer.

    Now could she be right? Sure. But we live in a world where a president can incite a terrorist insurrection and suffer zero consequences.....let's roll the dice on increasing minimum wage.
    It’s not even a legal opinion so much as a procedural one in this case.

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