Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[cubby]

Based on latest tax return on file. So if you received a pay raise or capital gain that will disqualify you, don't file until April.

But if I haven't filed this year yet - even if I did it now, electronically, wouldn't it be too late.

[Vegas82]

But if I haven't filed this year yet - even if I did it now, electronically, wouldn't it be too late.

No, they haven't started processing payments and when they do so they'll use your most recent return on file. If you put one on file today electronically guess what return is the most recent they have on file.

[cubby]

No, they haven't started processing payments and when they do so they'll use your most recent return on file. If you put one on file today electronically guess what return is the most recent they have on file.

I was taking into consideration the processing time - I don't want to assume the IRS is going to be either quick or efficient.

[Breccia]

both are instances of the nuclear option being used (overruling Parliamentarian objections)

I was under the impression the nuclear option was about the filibuster, not the parliamentarian. I'm going to need more info about, say, the 2013 one.

[Vegas82]

I was taking into consideration the processing time - I don't want to assume the IRS is going to be either quick or efficient.

I don't think anybody said anything about your most recently processed tax return, just the most recent one they have on file.

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I was under the impression the nuclear option was about the filibuster, not the parliamentarian. I'm going to need more info about, say, the 2013 one.

The nuclear option has been used with regards to the filibuster most recently, but it's about ALL senatorial rules(what the parliamentarian rules on). All it takes is a simple majority to change them. In 2013 the Dems changed it so that confirmation of nominees(other than SCOTUS) only required a simple majority as opposed to the 60 votes previously. In 2017 the GOP struck back and said, "Yeah, SCOTUS too!" and then packed the courts.

[Bodakane]

Not sure why you reply to him... but, there is a difference between being in dire need and not being in dire need, but not being so rich that you would return a 1400 check.

I don't care who posted it.

I assume the individual will know where they fall on that scale, that I didn't think I'd need to explicitly lay it out as if people were too stupid to figure that out for themselves.

[Milchshake]

Not sure why you reply to him... but, there is a difference between being in dire need and not being in dire need, but not being so rich that you would return a 1400 check.

Some podcasters are hella mad, because their monthly Patreon checks are pushing them over the threshold by April.


Their fans are coming here to let us know how upset they are about it!


I'm so upset, Ima spend it all on Tax The Rich sweatshirts. Then I'll sew them together to make an edgy duvet cover.

[cubby]

I don't think anybody said anything about your most recently processed tax return, just the most recent one they have on file.

Good point - I hadn't considered the difference of those two status'. Thanks!

[Vegas82]

Good point - I hadn't considered the difference of those two status'. Thanks!

No problem. It's a weird convolution of factors that can make figuring out this stimulus stuff difficult. Kinda like figuring out how to get vaccinated hehe.

[Edge-]

tiktok shit

Man, I truly feel like I've 100% hit "old man shouting at clouds" age. The more and more I come into contact with tiktok shit, the more and more confused I am about the whole affair.

[Breccia]

The nuclear option has been used with regards to the filibuster most recently, but it's about ALL senatorial rules(what the parliamentarian rules on). All it takes is a simple majority to change them. In 2013 the Dems changed it so that confirmation of nominees(other than SCOTUS) only required a simple majority as opposed to the 60 votes previously. In 2017 the GOP struck back and said, "Yeah, SCOTUS too!" and then packed the courts.

Okay. Cool. That's still Senate Rule XX, and therefore a Senate rule. It was the rules, being applied. The parliamentarian did not object to either use of Rule XX, nor did Biden/Pence specifically step in.

No such rule exists for just ignoring shoving a non-budget item into a budget bill. Unless Harris overrules the parliamentarian, which didn't happen, Schumer can't say "well the parliamenterian said we can't do it, but we're going to do it anyhow because we really want to". Which is the current context. It's why this discussion has gone on for nine pages or whatever.

[Belize]

They lowered the top of those receiving stimulus to 80k for single filers. Don’t everyone lose your shit at the same time... lol

Is it still 80K payroll, or 80K take-home after taxes?

[Bodakane]

Remember that rule senate rule about confirming a sc justice? Remember when the rule was birthed? Then broken?

[Vegas82]

Man, I truly feel like I've 100% hit "old man shouting at clouds" age. The more and more I come into contact with tiktok shit, the more and more confused I am about the whole affair.

I used to feel like that, but quar has given me a new appreciation for streamers. The tiktok stuff is interesting because you have the stuff like what you're responding to, but you also have a TON of other shit on there. I know someone who spends all their time watching medical tiktok(yeah, that's a thing) and it's actually pretty informative stuff on there. It's really not that different from any other social media platform. Hell, look at this site. There are people who never leave the WoW areas while others spend most of their time here in politics.

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Remember that rule senate rule about confirming a sc justice? Remember when the rule was birthed? Then broken?

Changed, not broken.

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Okay. Cool. That's still Senate Rule XX, and therefore a Senate rule. It was the rules, being applied. The parliamentarian did not object to either use of Rule XX, nor did Biden/Pence specifically step in.

No such rule exists for just ignoring shoving a non-budget item into a budget bill. Unless Harris overrules the parliamentarian, which didn't happen, Schumer can't say "well the parliamenterian said we can't do it, but we're going to do it anyhow because we really want to". Which is the current context. It's why this discussion has gone on for nine pages or whatever.

The context is that Harris could overrule or the Senate as a whole could do so. The reason it wasn't taken up is Sinema and Manchin. If the Dems were monolithic like the GOP tends to be you'd have seen the nuclear option and $15 min wage passed this week. Sadly, we have some people who feel they have to cater to conservatives to get reelected so we're where we are. See, even if Harris overruled it wouldn't make a difference. The reason the VP doesn't typically do so is because they already know they have the 51 votes so they let the entire Senate take responsibility instead of doing so themselves(which would look worse in the history books).

[Milchshake]

Remember that rule senate rule about confirming a sc justice? Remember when the rule was birthed? Then broken?

The Blue Slip rule? That some dum dum Senator from Vermont brought back, to handicap Obama judicial appointments?

[Rasulis]

Is it still 80K payroll, or 80K take-home after taxes?

They said gross. So before taxes. Same like before. If they go by net income, it can go up pretty high. Between mortgage interest rate, health care/insurance, IRA, 401k, child care, HSA/FSA, SALT, etc., a couple making 250k can reduce their net income to below the 150k limit without too much effort.

[Vegas82]

The Blue Slip rule? That some dum dum Senator from Vermont brought back, to handicap Obama judicial appointments?

The blue slip rule doesn't have much to do with actually confirming a nominee. It's just opinions from the senators who represent the state the nominee is from. Now, changing the requirement from 60 to 51 votes on the other hand...

[Breccia]

The context is that Harris could overrule or the Senate as a whole could do so.

I am still waiting on proof that the Senate could do so. The nuclear option reduces the number of votes needed. It does not change other Senate rules.

If the Senate can just overrule the parliamentarian, why have one? And why is this going on for nine pages or whatever, if Schumer could just say "the parliamentarian says we can't put non-budget items into budget bills, but we're going to anyhow because we really want to"? Why the drama? Why hasn't the bill gone forward anyhow? I continue to maintain that the reason Democrats are upset, and haven't pushed the bill with the minimum wage to a vote, is because they can't. And so far, no such move has happened.

Harris, absolutely.

[Felya]

I'm so upset, Ima spend it all on Tax The Rich sweatshirts. Then I'll sew them together to make an edgy duvet cover.

I thought her career nose dived, after she let it slip that she has a boy friend?

[kaid]

The March 14th deadline is self-imposed and not binding. If it takes an extra few days they can still pass it.

The problem being states like WI if it lapses like the last time it means payouts get delayed for a month or more it is a non trivial issue.