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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Incorrect, and thus showing you don't actually know WTF you are talking about.


    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/t...are-tax-credit
    My god son, slow your roll its going to get embarrasing from here.


    umm right in the first paragraph and second....and this is the standard non covid enhanced child credit for 2021 but its the same one being enhanced in the current 2021 covid relief bill. but hey lets go with it.



    The Child Tax Credit is a refundable tax credit worth up to $2,000 per qualifying child and $500 per qualifying dependent.

    This is a tax credit, which means it reduces your tax bill on a dollar-for-dollar basis. Up to $1,400 of the Child Tax Credit is refundable; that is, it can reduce your tax bill to zero and you might be able to get a refund on anything left over.


    Now you are confusing that with the The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit on the page you linked.

    The Child and Dependent Care Credit can get you 20% to 35% of up to $3,000 of child care and similar costs for a child under 13, an incapacitated spouse or parent, or another dependent so that you can work (and up to $6,000 of expenses for two or more dependents). This credit is not refundable (unlike the Child Tax Credit), which means it can reduce your tax bill to zero but you won't get a refund on anything left over from the credit.



    So your little attempt only lead to confusion on your part. Two credits. Two programs. CTC and CDCC. One refundable One not. The one in the bill is the CTC (just like the last two bills) and its the one that IS REFUNDABLE.

    this is nothing new the CTC has been around pre-covid.

    The COVID relief bill increases the existing child tax credit, or CTC, to as much as $3,600 per child (more than double the $1,400 per dependent in the stimulus check) and would let families receive the funds "periodically" instead of just annually during tax season. The credit would also be fully refundable and there wouldn't be a $2,500 earnings floor.


    Here's a much more detailed site for you that puts it in language you can understand since sending you to the IRS forms would prob blow your mind.

    https://www.cnet.com/personal-financ...u-should-know/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Incorrect, and thus showing you don't actually know WTF you are talking about.
    i'll accept that apology gracefully and not bully you i promise....so i'll be waiting for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Incorrect, and thus showing you don't actually know WTF you are talking about.
    Oh btw feel free to read the bill
    https://budget.house.gov/sites/democ...ll%20Final.pdf

    Page 475

    CHILD TAX CREDIT
    11 SEC. 9611. CHILD TAX CREDIT IMPROVEMENTS FOR 2021.
    12 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 24 of the Internal Rev13 enue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the
    14 following new subsection:
    15 ‘‘(i) SPECIAL RULES FOR 2021.—In the case of any
    16 taxable year beginning after December 31, 2020, and be17 fore January 1, 2022—
    18 ‘‘(1) REFUNDABLE CREDIT.—If the taxpayer
    19 (in the case of a joint return, either spouse) has a
    20 principal place of abode in the United States (deter21 mined as provided in section 32) for more than one22 half of the taxable year or is a bona fide resident of
    23 Puerto Rico (within the meaning of section 937(a))
    24 for such taxable year—

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Incorrect, and thus showing you don't actually know WTF you are talking about.

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    So any time you are ready to move on to the other "cracks" and people missing out gimee a holla, i'll be happy to educate you on the rules and changes. it gets confusing sometimes and i am here to help
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Sometimes they even opt to quit instead of working with progressive allies

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...er/ar-BB1epEOL
    Isn't it amazing...

    Moved money and paid themselves a severance for quitting lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Getting a hand cut off is subjectively better then cutting off an arm. Doesn't mean I'd vote for either one. Obama and his policies lead to Trump. The continuation will only lead to Trump again or worse. Don't blame me for their failures. Give me a reason to vote for you, and not a reason to vote against someone else.
    The funny part is, the rise of Trumpism is a reaction to the country moving father left. Very progressive policies like raising wages, strong relief bills, refined immigration policy, LGBTQ rights, etc. are all things that have happened or are happening. Trumpism is a response to the country shifting left. If there was a massive, rapid shift leftward, do you think Trumpers would just sit and say "Oh yeah, this is better than those Democrats huh?"

    NO. They'd scream and cry about socialism and push harder than ever for even more Trumpism. People hate rapid change, and many people just hate change in general. Shove left hard enough and you'll give people whiplash then we'll have a true right wing revolution.

    Trumpism isn't a response to DEMOCRATS. It's a repsonse to the left in general. Get off of it with your "DEMOCRATS CAUSE TRUMPISM" bullshit.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

  4. #5704
    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Trumpism isn't a response to DEMOCRATS. It's a repsonse to the left in general. Get off of it with your "DEMOCRATS CAUSE TRUMPISM" bullshit.
    I'm not so sure if Trumpism was a response to anything in particular. Trump gave a face to the bubbling toxicity that the right side always had.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  5. #5705
    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    The funny part is, the rise of Trumpism is a reaction to the country moving father left. Very progressive policies like raising wages, strong relief bills, refined immigration policy, LGBTQ rights, etc. are all things that have happened or are happening. Trumpism is a response to the country shifting left. If there was a massive, rapid shift leftward, do you think Trumpers would just sit and say "Oh yeah, this is better than those Democrats huh?"

    NO. They'd scream and cry about socialism and push harder than ever for even more Trumpism. People hate rapid change, and many people just hate change in general. Shove left hard enough and you'll give people whiplash then we'll have a true right wing revolution.

    Trumpism isn't a response to DEMOCRATS. It's a repsonse to the left in general. Get off of it with your "DEMOCRATS CAUSE TRUMPISM" bullshit.
    If you had a Bush Jr in power or a Reagen then things would have gone even further left, somebody that's puts competent people in places of power (because neither was competent).
    Last time a Republican with some sort of intelligence came into power America elected a socialist Muslim anarchist black guy that wasn't even born in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Trumpism isn't a response to DEMOCRATS. It's a repsonse to the left in general. Get off of it with your "DEMOCRATS CAUSE TRUMPISM" bullshit.
    If Trump is a response to democrats, why are their issues entirely based on conspiracy theories?

    How does one reconcile democrats being the cause of Trump, while also pushing the both sided, neoliberal, conservative democrats narrative?

    How does one reconcile democrats winning all, but one popular vote, in the last 30 years?

    Oh, I know how... They blame democrat for the wars, the patriot act and the concept of American exceptionalism. Because they pretend republicans simply don’t exist. You can’t blame GOP, neoCons or the conservatives shifting from policy, to culture wars... because they don’t exist. Despite there being only one popular vote won in 30 years, GOP has had a president for 14 of those years...

    Let’s also not forget, after 8 years of Clinton, GOP were singing about a booming economy that needs to be taken in a new direction... and a new direction Bush took us in, indeed... we get Obama inheriting 2 wars and an economic collapse... he ends his term on an economic boom, with a basis for expanding healthcare universally. Trump takes over, rolls back healthcare, largest wealth shift from middle class to rich in history, leaves a peace treaty with Iran and bombs their government official without provocation.

    No, American people keep making the right choice... we just get fucked by the antiestablishment morons, that have resulted in nearly half of the last 30 years been controlled by GOP establishment we didn’t vote for!

    Edit: It wasn’t democrats who turned the inspiration for Gordon Gekko into a populist... wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    If you had a Bush Jr in power or a Reagen then things would have gone even further left, somebody that's puts competent people in places of power (because neither was competent).
    Last time a Republican with some sort of intelligence came into power America elected a socialist Muslim anarchist black guy that wasn't even born in the US.
    I dispute your assertion of Bush jr having some sort of intelligence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    The funny part is, the rise of Trumpism is a reaction to the country moving father left. Very progressive policies like raising wages, strong relief bills, refined immigration policy, LGBTQ rights, etc. are all things that have happened or are happening. Trumpism is a response to the country shifting left. If there was a massive, rapid shift leftward, do you think Trumpers would just sit and say "Oh yeah, this is better than those Democrats huh?"

    NO. They'd scream and cry about socialism and push harder than ever for even more Trumpism. People hate rapid change, and many people just hate change in general. Shove left hard enough and you'll give people whiplash then we'll have a true right wing revolution.

    Trumpism isn't a response to DEMOCRATS. It's a repsonse to the left in general. Get off of it with your "DEMOCRATS CAUSE TRUMPISM" bullshit.
    They are though.

    The Dems want bipartisan government so bad, they keep thinking the Repubs will act in good faith and they never do anymore. They are trying to play for a tie, meanwhile the other side is cheating to win.
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  8. #5708
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    This bill isn't progress. Its good, but it won't even get us to pre covid.

    We went backwards with Trump and the one thing in that original bill that could gain some ground was the $15 mw. Yes, we need the stimulus, but its a no brainer move, that again, helps point us back to March 2020, nothing more...not get there mind you, but point us in the direction. Again, that's not a bad thing, but this isn't some towering piece of legislation, regardless of the dollar amount. It is an attempt to make up some of the massive ground lost just in Covid, which again was a self inflected wound.

    Its like Babysitter1 gave a toddler a loaded gun, then celebrating when Babysitter2, took away three of the bullets. I mean, yes its better, but its not celebratory better. Especially when you find out West Virgina stopped the new baby sitter from taking the gun away and the Repubs negotiated down to 3 bullets being taken instead of 5.

    Its ok to be upset about that. Nor does it make me some terrible person who just wants to watch the world burn.
    We need real progress. If the country was moved backwards by Trump and Covid and all Biden accomplishes is either a nudge forward or barely returning to the previous state. How much of an accomplishment is that.

    The $15 increase has been needed for years. This isn't a situation to pat yourself on the back that you sent our some checks and got some other funding through. People keep getting put further and further behind. Acting as if this isn't a pressing matter and can be delayed really ignores the situation on the ground. People need to educate themselves.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/us/15...ess/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    you forgot to add "so soon", no one doubted it would happen eventually, that's why people still put some effort into it compared to say, Texas.

    difference is demographics

    West Virginia over the last 30 years has barely changed. And I bet if you dig to see mobility into and out of the state, people arent going there to stay, grow old and die, they only stay there if they were born there, so there is nothing to cause a change of views

    West Virginia Racial Breakdown of Population
    Racial composition 1990[67] 2000[68] 2010[69] 2019[70]
    White 96.2% 95.0% 93.9% 93.1%
    Black 3.1% 3.2% 3.4% 3.7%
    Asian 0.4% 0.5% 0.7% 0.8%
    Native 0.1% 0.2% 0.2% 0.2%
    Native Hawaiian and
    other Pacific Islander – – – -
    Other race 0.1% 0.2% 0.3% 0.4%
    Two or more races – 0.9% 1.5% 1.8%


    vs Georgia
    has gotten even more diverse, and its been at a faster pace than the national average

    Georgia's racial breakdown of population
    Racial composition 1990[45] 2000[46] 2010[47]
    White 71.0% 65.1% 59.7%
    Black 27.0% 28.7% 30.5%
    Asian 1.2% 2.1% 3.3%
    Native 0.2% 0.3% 0.3%
    Native Hawaiian and
    other Pacific Islander — 0.1% 0.1%
    Other race 0.6% 2.4% 4.0%
    Two or more races — 1.4% 2.1%



    its more WV wont change anytime in the next 20-30 years without something forcing that change, more political outreach wont change things there.
    2010 data? Get something more recent than 11 year old data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvari7 View Post



    2010 data? Get something more recent than 11 year old data.

    Slow down tough guy. The Census only happens every 10 years. And 2020 had problems.

  10. #5710
    Quote Originally Posted by Selvari7 View Post
    2010 data? Get something more recent than 11 year old data.
    The problem isn't the age of the data, its the notion that "political outreach" can only be the one thing that has been done the same way for a 100 years.

    Like i was telling these people, marketing firms find ways to create demand all the time and it isn't always the same approach. However, when it comes to political marketing, the script hasn't changed in forever. And considering the sides are more entrenched than they have been in a very long time, now is the time to try new approaches.
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  11. #5711
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    They are though.

    The Dems want bipartisan government so bad, they keep thinking the Repubs will act in good faith and they never do anymore. They are trying to play for a tie, meanwhile the other side is cheating to win.
    There will be bipartisanship when the republican party is defeated and the democratic party breaks up into the two new major parties - the Manchin wing and the Sanders wing. But first the republican party has to be completely defeated. They are just too toxic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    There will be bipartisanship when the republican party is defeated and the democratic party breaks up into the two new major parties - the Manchin wing and the Sanders wing. But first the republican party has to be completely defeated. They are just too toxic.
    They won't be defeated until the Dems play dirty.

    The repubs broke the seal on bad faith politics. The ONLY way to defeat them is to play by the same lack of rules they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    The Dems want bipartisan government so bad, they keep thinking the Repubs will act in good faith and they never do anymore.
    I mean...outside of Manchin...not really? Did you literally just miss Democrats extending a hand, seeing it slapped away, and then ignoring Republicans to pass the stimulus? Only a few folks like Manchin seem to think bipartisanship is remotely reasonable, most of the Democrats seem pretty on board with the, "We tried, let's stop wasting time on it again, now." train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean...outside of Manchin...not really? Did you literally just miss Democrats extending a hand, seeing it slapped away, and then ignoring Republicans to pass the stimulus? Only a few folks like Manchin seem to think bipartisanship is remotely reasonable, most of the Democrats seem pretty on board with the, "We tried, let's stop wasting time on it again, now." train.
    Yeah, it's more that the Dems give the GOP a chance to do the right thing before moving on without them at this point. Has been this way for a while, but people confuse the offer for ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean...outside of Manchin...not really? Did you literally just miss Democrats extending a hand, seeing it slapped away, and then ignoring Republicans to pass the stimulus? Only a few folks like Manchin seem to think bipartisanship is remotely reasonable, most of the Democrats seem pretty on board with the, "We tried, let's stop wasting time on it again, now." train.
    I mean other concessions were made, besides dropping the minimum wage part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I mean other concessions were made, besides dropping the minimum wage part.
    What does that have to do with bipartisanship? That was inside bargaining to get the moderate/conservative Democrats on board for a quicker passage.

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    For people paying attention to ICE and immigration issues.

    Particularly given how much internal resistance there would likely be to the de-Nazification of immigration policy — both from ICE itself and from hack Trump judges — this is pretty striking:

    President Biden’s orders to rein in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement led to a sharp drop in arrests by the agency last month, even though a federal judge in Texas has blocked the new administration’s 100-day “pause” on deportations.

    The number of immigrants taken into custody by ICE officers fell more than 60 percent in February compared with the last three months of the Trump administration, according to data reviewed by The Washington Post. Deportations fell by nearly the same amount, ICE statistics show.

    The change indicates the extent to which the Biden administration has been able to move forward with its plans to reshape U.S. immigration enforcement despite a U.S. District Court preliminary injunction halting its deportation freeze.

    The Biden administration has issued temporary guidelines to ICE officers narrowing their enforcement priorities to focus on national security threats, recent border-crossers and criminals with aggravated felony convictions who pose a threat to public safety. Officers must seek permission from senior supervisors in writing before attempting to arrest fugitives who do not fit those categories, a change that Biden officials say will make better use of the agency’s resources.


    Im not the king o immigrants, but I did bring a citation

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    To add to the above drop of 60% in ICE custody... while the number of people at the border has grown by several folds... this is remarkable in two different ways... and should highlight the massive problem at the border, not being addresses by ICE... at all... they failed... go home... nothing for you here... go away...
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    Huzzah, the House confirms the Covid stimulus bill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Huzzah, the House confirms the Covid stimulus bill.
    White House and Democrats really need to do a better job of selling what's actually in the bill to folks, because there's a ton of good shit and it's largely overshadowed by the "NO $15/H MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE!"

    Seriously, the more I learn about what's in the bill, including from folks working to sell it like Sanders, the better it seems.

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