Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

Force of government was used to abolish slavery.

Would you have preferred people instead chose just buy products from shops that don't employ slavery? Problem solved?

Great, I never said government isn't sometimes a good thing.

I'm not an anarchist.

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Government is used and needed to protect Unions from the employers subverting and crushing them as has been proven in our own history.........

No employer should be forced to hire union employees.

[Fugus]

Yes, one is a guy with a gun, telling you to do it, or he will soot you in the fucking face.

So the choice is one guy willing to shoot you in the face as compared to the other option of watching your children starve along with yourself which is a slower and even more painful way to meet the same end.....

Quit pretending imaginary choices exist when they functionally don't and lead to the same ending with just a different twist to it.

[Elegiac]

Yes, one is a guy with a gun, telling you to do it, or he will soot you in the fucking face.

And unions can be interpreted as thugs with bricks telling you to do what they say or they'll smash your property.

Both are incredibly stupid and simplistic narratives designed to push an agenda, however.

[Santti]

Great, I never said government isn't sometimes a good thing.

So there are cases where it's necessary for the government to threaten to "shoot someone in the face".

Just not in this case?

[Machismo]

So the choice is one guy willing to shoot you in the face as compared to the other option of watching your children starve along with yourself which is a slower and even more painful way to meet the same end.....

Quit pretending imaginary choices exist when they functionally don't and lead to the same ending with just a different twist to it.

Lord....

They do exist, you can even control it as a consumer. Only buy from companies who pay their employees at least $15 an hour.

[Elegiac]

So there are cases where it's necessary for the government to threaten to "shoot someone in the face".

Just not in this case?

But it's different. Because government. /s

[Fugus]

No employer should be forced to hire union employees.

I got to go, enjoy living in your fantasy land. Just know that your policies fist fuck this nation and our children when implemented and we have our own history PROVING that fact.

I will gladly take an infraction for saying that, because its true.

By your logic, I shouldn't have the government forcing me to pay my employees or what kinds of employees I can have either. I should be able to get 6 year olds working in the shops building my stuff for me for a quarter a day and no benefits because to force me to do otherwise is government interference in an otherwise "Free Market".

[Machismo]

And unions can be interpreted as thugs with bricks telling you to do what they say or they'll smash your property.

Both are incredibly stupid and simplistic narratives designed to push an agenda, however.

If they are breaking shit, and destroying property or assaulting people. then I have a huge issue.

[Elegiac]

Lord....

They do exist, you can even control it as a consumer. Only buy from companies who pay their employees at least $15 an hour.

Consumer choice is a myth under late capitalism, lol.

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If they are breaking shit, and destroying property or assaulting people. then I have a huge issue.

The government is not actually shooting people in the face over minimum wage, either, so why bring that ridiculous bullshit up?

It really just sounds like you just have a compulsive aversion to the word government.

[Orange Joe]

You are claiming I don't support something I just said I supported.

You really should stop lying.

So you support government regulating businesses?

[Santti]

Consumer choice is a myth under late capitalism, lol.

Especially in his world where government is apparently not supposed to play much of a role in market. Imagine what "choices" one could have if all brakes were removed, and monopolies ate everything.

[Elegiac]

So you support government regulating businesses?

It really do sound like he's fine with collective regulation of the economy for worker interests, just as long as you don't call it government.

If that ain't the most American political stance I don't know what is.

[Orange Joe]

It was provided.

I support unions.

What authority does a union have if not backed by the government?

[Machismo]

But it's different. Because government. /s

It is different, because you don't seem to understand what government is.

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Consumer choice is a myth under late capitalism, lol.

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The government is not actually shooting people in the face over minimum wage, either, so why bring that ridiculous bullshit up?

It really just sounds like you just have a compulsive aversion to the word government.

You don't have a choice where you spend your money?

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I got to go, enjoy living in your fantasy land. Just know that your policies fist fuck this nation and our children when implemented and we have our own history PROVING that fact.

I will gladly take an infraction for saying that, because its true.

By your logic, I shouldn't have the government forcing me to pay my employees or what kinds of employees I can have either. I should be able to get 6 year olds working in the shops building my stuff for me for a quarter a day and no benefits because to force me to do otherwise is government interference in an otherwise "Free Market".

You want to force small businesses out of work.

[Elegiac]

It is different, because you don't seem to understand what government is.

And what is government.

[Machismo]

What authority does a union have if not backed by the government?

Literally collective bargaining.

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And what is government.

Feel free to look up the dictionary definition.

[Orange Joe]

Literally collective bargaining.

What bargaining? They have literally 0 authority without government backing

[Elegiac]

You don't have a choice where you spend your money?

We really don't.

You want to force small businesses out of work.

"You want to force plantation owners out of work" energy. But yes, I do want to end exploitative economic practices like underpaying people so Karen and Todd can live their dreams of running a failing cake shop.

[Machismo]

What bargaining? They have literally 0 authority without government backing

Their authority is derived from manpower, they are collective labor.

You can even do the same on the consumer end.

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We really don't.





"You want to force plantation owners out of work" energy. But yes, I do want to end exploitative economic practices like underpaying people so Karen and Todd can live their dreams of running a failing cake shop.

You literally can. Don't blame others, because you cannot be bothered.

[Elegiac]

Feel free to look up the dictionary definition.

So yeah, you just have a compulsive aversion to the word rather than being able to point to any actual difference.

Luckily for you that's a treatable condition and would be covered under Medicare for All.

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You literally can.

Starting to seeing a lot of claims without evidence on your part again, sweaty. Might be a sign that your "government is bad" position isn't actually rooted in reality.