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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Their authority is derived from manpower, they are collective labor.

    You can even do the same on the consumer end.

    lol ahh if only it really worked liked that. In reality there is always people that will work for anything they can get. Removing any bargaining a non government backed union would have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    So yeah, you just have a compulsive aversion to the word rather than being able to point to any actual difference.

    Luckily for you that's a treatable condition and would be covered under Medicare for All.

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    Starting to seeing a lot of claims without evidence on your part again, sweaty. Might be a sign that your "government is bad" position isn't actually rooted in reality.
    You have the choice of where you shop, nobody is holding a gun to your head.

    That's the evidence.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/government

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You can even do the same on the consumer end.
    Yeah! Maybe all the consumers can get together and negotiate with businesses to set a minimum floor below which wages aren't permitted to drop.

    Wait a minute, that sounds kind of familiar...
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    lol ahh if only it really worked liked that. In reality there is always people that will work for anything they can get. Removing any bargaining a non government backed union would have.
    Then, do it as a consumer.

    Don't shop anywhere that doesn't pay their employees what you feel they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You have the choice of where you shop, nobody is holding a gun to your head.
    Choosing between two different Krogers isn't a choice, fucking lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Yeah! Maybe all the consumers can get together and negotiate with businesses to set a minimum floor below which wages aren't permitted to drop.

    Wait a minute, that sounds kind of familiar...
    Don't shop at any business that refuses to pay their employees what you feel they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It really do sound like he's fine with collective regulation of the economy for worker interests, just as long as you don't call it government.

    If that ain't the most American political stance I don't know what is.
    No, he's okay with government as long as it doesn't have the power to act like a government.

    There's a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Choosing between two different Krogers isn't a choice, fucking lol.
    Shop at Giant, Safeway, Raley's, Albertson's, Weis, Lidl, Wal-Mart, Target or any other stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Then, do it as a consumer.

    Don't shop anywhere that doesn't pay their employees what you feel they deserve.
    Again til reality kicks in. In which a good portion of the population can't afford to choose. They have to take the cheapest option so they can pay rent/eat.


    Must be nice to live in a dream world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    No, he's okay with government as long as it doesn't have the power to act like a government.

    There's a difference.
    You keep pushing that lie... what a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Again til reality kicks in. In which a good portion of the population can't afford to choose. They have to take the cheapest option so they can pay rent/eat.


    Must be nice to live in a dream world.
    You are literally blaming me, because you are lazy, and cannot be bothered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Shop at Giant, Safeway, Raley's, Albertson's, Weis, Lidl, Wal-Mart, Target or any other stores.
    What does that change when they are all selling the same products from the same manufacturing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You keep pushing that lie... what a shame.

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    You are literally blaming me, because you are lazy, and cannot be bothered.
    I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm showing how reality won't let your dream world exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Again til reality kicks in. In which a good portion of the population can't afford to choose. They have to take the cheapest option so they can pay rent/eat.


    Must be nice to live in a dream world.
    In his anarchist utopia, people can choose not to work and somehow not starve and lose their homes etc, so at least there's something to it. If only it were real, that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    What does that change when they are all selling the same products from the same manufacturing?

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    I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm showing how reality won't let your dream world exist.
    You have thousands of different options, shop online...

    Start your own brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    In his anarchist utopia, people can choose not to work and somehow not starve and lose their homes etc, so at least there's something to it. If only it were real, that is.
    I'm still not an anarchist, stop lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Shop at Giant, Safeway, Raley's, Albertson's, Weis, Lidl, Wal-Mart, Target or any other stores.
    Many of which are owned by the same chains, acquire products and materials from the same source, or are equally exploitative.

    The only choice is which oversimplified logo appears on the packaging; no actual systemic change is effected especially when a market is captive as many places often are thanks to tactics employed by companies like Wal-Mart.

    It's not a choice, but doubtless you'll keep repeating it is without providing any evidence as usual.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You have thousands of different options, shop online...

    Start your own brand.
    I mean... Just keep dreaming bud. You would think if it was so easy this would be happening somewhere in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Many of which are owned by the same chains, acquire products and materials from the same source, or are equally exploitative.

    The only choice is which oversimplified logo appears on the packaging; no actual systemic change is effected especially when a market is captive as many places often are thanks to tactics employed by companies like Wal-Mart.
    That's just a small list of many, many options.

    Shop online, have it delivered.

    Costco, BJ's, Harris Teeter, Wegman's ... Shall we continue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Start your own brand.
    Tfw Machismo has gone full on Republican.

    "Just start your own business if you don't like your poverty wages."
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    I mean... Just keep dreaming bud. You would think if it was so easy this would be happening somewhere in the world.
    All it requires is for consumers to actually put their money where their mouths are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Tfw Machismo has gone full on Republican.

    "Just start your own business if you don't like your poverty wages."
    I've always been a conservative, this shouldn't come as any surprise.

    I'm simply not a Republican, because they aren't conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    All it requires is for consumers to actually put their money where their mouths are.
    And then not be able to put food in there. Yup, It's just so easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    And then not be able to put food in there. Yup, It's just so easy.
    How many grocery stores do you have in a 50 mile radius?

    Find one you are willing to support.

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