1. #6001
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You can shop online, start your own store, or take your business elsewhere. Shit, protest outside their stores...
    Shop online?

    Amazon... Whole Food, owned by Amazon. How many delivers food?

    Clothes, I need to order in person to check the feel of the stuff and because my body makes it hard to find stuff that actually fits even when the size says it does. Not all 13 wide shoes are the same.

    Start my own store? You paying me to start it? And if I were healthy enough to do that I wouldn’t be collecting from the VA for a spinal injury and nerve damage.

    Take your business elsewhere? Where when they all pay about the same because they have no legal requirements to do so and the consumer doesn’t have a choice of a viable option that isn’t one of them.
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  2. #6002
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Shop online?

    Amazon... Whole Food, owned by Amazon. How many delivers food?

    Clothes, I need to order in person to check the feel of the stuff and because my body makes it hard to find stuff that actually fits even when the size says it does. Not all 13 wide shoes are the same.

    Start my own store? You paying me to start it? And if I were healthy enough to do that I wouldn’t be collecting from the VA for a spinal injury and nerve damage.

    Take your business elsewhere? Where when they all pay about the same because they have no legal requirements to do so and the consumer doesn’t have a choice of a viable option that isn’t one of them.
    Zappos allows for free returns, no problem there. I've worn a 14 since I was a kid, and ordering online has been far better than praying that a store has any shoes my size.

    Amazon ships food, as do other stores... no problem there.

    "Cannot be bothered" is not the same as "cannot."

    None of these are valid arguments for jacking up the minimum wage to a point that is far above any point in our history.

  3. #6003
    Guys we know that @Machismo is not posting in good faith at this point.

    He will sealion and gishgallop his way through it all.

    His feelings and his ideology are more important to him than the facts or reality and will use all circular thinking possible to keep logic and reality out. Either that or he is trolling.

    But either way, getting anything productive from him on this line of thinking is like getting blood from a rock.

    He is nothing but exaggerations and pretending non answers are actually viable answers.

    Let’s stop derailing the thread trying to explain something to someone going out of their way to make sure they don’t get it.

    Edit: So many mistakes on a cellphone and auto correct loves to correct to something else...
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  4. #6004
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Okay, so... you don't get it? No point in wasting my time if you think human trafficking is acceptable because people might enter into it voluntarily and there's a demand for it.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...6#post45079346

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  5. #6005
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Guys we know that @Machismo is not posting in good faith at this point.

    He will sealion and gishgallop his way through it all.

    His feelings and his ideology are more important to him than the facts or reality and will use the circular thinking possible to keep logic any reality out. Either that or he is trolling.

    But either way, getting anything productive from him on this line of thinking is like getting blood from a rock.

    He is nothing but exaggerations and pretending non answers are actually viable answers.

    Let’s stop derailing the thread trying to explain something to someone going out of their way to make sure they don’t get it.
    Bullshit.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019...ear/index.html

    The minimum wage has never been close to $15 an hour based on inflation. It was a number that people pulled out of their asses, and ran with.

    That's the reality.

    There's a good reason why the $15 minimum wage is DOA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...6#post45079346

    The nostalgia of having Machismo tell me slavery is okay if it's inside a contract and is a reasonable consequence from making poor decisions in life.
    You really should stop lying, and read the comment.

    Saying people are responsible for the choices they make =/= to supporting slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Well, yes. If he took out student loans, and never bothered to get a decent job, it's on him. If he picked a crappy major, it's on him.

    Maybe next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Then why do you support capitalism?
    Because it serves as a gateway to his true ideology, anarcho-feudalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post

    So, use your power as a consumer, and stand up... and refuse to shop at all those places.
    Turns out people need to shop to stay alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Because it serves as a gateway to his true ideology, anarcho-feudalism.
    Liberty hangout sure is popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Turns out people need to shop to stay alive.

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    Liberty hangout sure is popular.
    And businesses need to sell shit to stay alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And businesses need to sell shit to stay alive.
    They can do that without paying poverty wages. Still does not change that people have no choice in you know buying food

  10. #6010
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    They can do that without paying poverty wages. Still does not change that people have no choice in you know buying food
    They have a choice where they do so.

    Now, this is horribly off-topic, because this is about the $15 minimum wage. I'm glad it failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    They have a choice where they do so.
    Not really if all shops within biking/walking distance have the same wages. Your failure to grasp reality is alway amusing.


    Now, this is horribly off-topic, because this is about the $15 minimum wage. I'm glad it failed.
    Because you hate poor people, I know. A few rich people making billions more and the 2 richest Americans having more wealth than the poorest 40% is clearly more important.
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  12. #6012
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Not really if all shops within biking/walking distance have the same wages. Your failure to grasp reality is alway amusing.



    Because you hate poor people, I know. A few rich people making billions more and the 2 richest Americans having more wealth than the poorest 40% is clearly more important.
    No, I don't hate poor people, I simply also don't hate middle-class people or wealthy people.

    In the end, a $15 minimum wage is far more than it has ever been, and would put it as the highest on the planet. It would greatly harm many areas of the country.

    You do realize that the most likely to be adversely impacted would be the middle class and those making just above minimum wage... right?

  13. #6013
    New study has found the happiest country in the world

    Finland was named the happiest nation for the fourth year in a row.
    The World Happiness Report 2021 ranked 149 countries based on the relationship between well-being and COVID-19.
    Finland took the No. 1 spot followed by Denmark and Switzerland.
    The United States claimed the 19th spot, down one from 18th in 2020.

    Meanwhile, the United Kingdom moved up from the 18th position to 17th, while Australia moved from 12th place 11th. Afghanistan ranked at the bottom of the list, with Zimbabwe coming in at number 148 and Rwanda at 147.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    In the end, a $0.25 minimum wage is far more than it has ever been, and would put it as the highest on the planet. It would greatly harm many areas of the country.
    Machismo writing to a newspaper in 1938.

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  15. #6015
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    In the end, a $15 minimum wage is far more than it has ever been, and would put it as the highest on the planet.
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  16. #6016
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    No, I don't hate poor people, I simply also don't hate middle-class people or wealthy people.

    In the end, a $15 minimum wage is far more than it has ever been, and would put it as the highest on the planet. It would greatly harm many areas of the country.

    You do realize that the most likely to be adversely impacted would be the middle class and those making just above minimum wage... right?
    You see, the problem is, the minimum wage was designed as a "living wage" when it was implemented. If it were pegged to inflation, it would be over $21 right now. And that was from a 2012 article, some eve say it should be over $24 an hour.

  17. #6017
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Machismo writing to a newspaper in 1938.
    Or... you know, actual research on the matter.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019...ear/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attackrabbit View Post
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    I should have stated... a national minimum wage, which would make this the highest.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...age-by-country

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You see, the problem is, the minimum wage was designed as a "living wage" when it was implemented. If it were pegged to inflation, it would be over $21 right now. And that was from a 2012 article, some eve say it should be over $24 an hour.
    It has never been that high, which is the problem.

    The "living wage" varies greatly by locality, which makes a national increase all the more unreasonable.

  18. #6018
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It has never been that high, which is the problem.

    The "living wage" varies greatly by locality, which makes a national increase all the more unreasonable.
    I am just stating the original federal minimum wage, that was made by FDR in 1938, if it were pegged to inflation, and other standards of living increases, it should be over $21-$24.

  19. #6019
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    I am just stating the original federal minimum wage, that was made by FDR in 1938, if it were pegged to inflation, and other standards of living increases, it should be over $21-$24.
    From what I'm seeing, that is based on productivity, not on inflation. The numbers I provided are based on inflation, and put the initial minimum wage at about $4.45 when adjusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Finland was named the happiest nation for the fourth year in a row.
    This should surprise nobody. Finland is fucking amazing.

    The US being in the top 20 is actually not that bad, and it dropping only one spot while completely fucking up the COVID response in 2020 is actually surprising.

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