Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

Also fun fact: Congress prohibited as part of the NDAA the US to lower troop numbers in Afghanistan without a report being sent to them because they hated the idea of withdrawing from Afghanistan. This was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and Democrats.

The bold is horseshit. They blocked it because Trump was trying to drastically reduce troops without also reducing operations, which would have been unsustainable.

[Edge-]

Also fun fact: Congress prohibited as part of the NDAA the US to lower troop numbers in Afghanistan without a report being sent to them because they hated the idea of withdrawing from Afghanistan. This was passed with overwhelming support from Republicans and Democrats.

The fiscal year 2021 National Defense Authorization Act passed Jan. 1 states no Defense Department funds from fiscal years 2020 or 2021 can be used to drawdown U.S. troops in Afghanistan below 4,000 or 2,000 until the defense secretary submits a report to Congress that assesses what effect the reduction in forces would have on areas including risk to U.S. personnel and the ongoing counterterrorism mission.

Reading articles before you post them helps, because that's not what the bill did nor is that the reason why it was passed. Bonus points -

The NDAA also states the president can waive the funding limitation on troop reduction totals if he submits to Congress a “written determination that the waiver is important to the national security interests of the United States, and a detailed explanation of how the waiver furthers those interests.”

[Zan15]

The US already have the 7th Fleet stationed at Yokosuka. China send airplanes and ships into Taiwan's airspace and territorial water, and the US send their destroyers regularly through the Taiwanese Strait. Tit for tat. I remember reading that half of the US Navy fighter pilots assigned to the Indochina theatre are Top Gun's graduates.

meh the younglings should have studied the cold war too see how much this is the same bullshit that went on from the 50's to late 90's.

[alexw]

I’m just a little put off that the response to GOP congressman bitching that Biden is not resulting in controversy, being a sign of his frailty... is somehow being turned into the press being bad.

Edit: Oh and the context he later expanded on... is that he thinks Biden isn’t doing his job, but that some shadowy figure is... this isn’t a press is bad moment.

Its the Biden is senile and Harris is the real president BS nutjob conspiracy theory that is being pushed in mainstream republican (i.e. far right) circles.

It goes like this. Biden is senile and can't govern and has to be fed lines and talking points to repeat by his handlers. It's the only way he can survive media interviews. But because he's senile his media contact has to be kept severely limited otherwise he will out himself as senile and people will realize what is going on. The person who is really in charge and who is pulling Biden's strings i.e. the person who is the real president is Kamala Harris. Why her? Because she's black/brown, and nothing pushes their racist buttons more than having a black/brown person in charge. Also, apparently, democrats will engineer/invent a health crisis for Biden at some time point in the next 1-2 years, which will be used to explain why Biden is standing down and Kamala is taking over as president to finish the remainder of his term (again because she's black/brown).

[Kaleredar]

Its the Biden is senile and Harris is the real president BS nutjob conspiracy theory that is being pushed in mainstream republican (i.e. far right) circles.

It goes like this. Biden is senile and can't govern and has to be fed lines and talking points to repeat by his handlers. It's the only way he can survive media interviews. But because he's senile his media contact has to be kept severely limited otherwise he will out himself as senile and people will realize what is going on. The person who is really in charge and who is pulling Biden's strings i.e. the person who is the real president is Kamala Harris. Why her? Because she's black/brown, and nothing pushes their racist buttons more than having a black/brown person in charge. Also, apparently, democrats will engineer/invent a health crisis for Biden at some time point in the next 1-2 years, which will be used to explain why Biden is standing down and Kamala is taking over as president to finish the remainder of his term (again because she's black/brown).

Even if that were true, I’d far prefer that subterfuge to have a... competent president, I guess... over four more years of Trump’s gaslighting and chronic mismanagement and misappropriation of every level of government.

[Edge-]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ganda-victory/

“Wars don’t end when one side abandons the fight.

“Withdrawing our forces from Afghanistan by September 11 will only embolden the very jihadists who attacked our homeland on that day twenty years ago. By declaring that this withdrawal is not based on conditions on the ground, the Biden Administration is sending a dangerous signal that the United States fundamentally does not understand—or is willfully ignorant of—the terrorist threat.

“President Biden’s decision hands the Taliban and al Qaeda a propaganda victory, abandons our global leadership position, and plays into our adversaries’ hands. As we saw with President Obama’s reckless decision to pull troops out of Iraq in 2011, retreat does not end the fight against terrorism. It merely gives our enemies more room to reconstitute and plot attacks against the homeland.”

In which Republicans admit they DO want forever-wars and are suddenly bigly opposed to troop withdrawals after supporting Trumps initiatives.

Also, remember that time Trump invited the Taliban to Camp David? Those were good times. And Cheyney is supposed to be one of the "reasonable" non-Trumpers, to boot.

[Thekri]

All troops out of Afghanistan by September 11th... Just announced...

I will believe it when I see it. I fully expect to see a list of "Exceptions" come out over the next month or two, which keep stripping down the goal until that date becomes mostly meaningless.

I do not believe Bagram will be closed or turned over to the ASF by September 11. I would be surprised if either KAF or JBad were turned over either, although those are slightly more likely.

[Poopymonster]

I still don’t understand how Democrats became the warmongers... I missed that switcharoo...

It's really simple. if HITLERy KKKlinton had been elected we'd be at World War Eleventy by now. Maybe more. Because Reasons.

[Elenos]

Reading articles before you post them helps, because that's not what the bill did nor is that the reason why it was passed. Bonus points -

"prohibited as part of the NDAA the US to lower troop numbers in Afghanistan without a report being sent to them."

What exactly do you think that bolded part meant really?

Also, remember that time Trump invited the Taliban to Camp David? Those were good times. And Cheyney is supposed to be one of the "reasonable" non-Trumpers, to boot.

Oh she's quite reasonable if you care about the rule of law in the US and don't fancy being a sore loser over a rightfully lost election like Trump wise.

If you're expecting a reasonable take on foreign policy don't look to Congress.

I will believe it when I see it. I fully expect to see a list of "Exceptions" come out over the next month or two, which keep stripping down the goal until that date becomes mostly meaningless.

I do not believe Bagram will be closed or turned over to the ASF by September 11. I would be surprised if either KAF or JBad were turned over either, although those are slightly more likely.

That's the other side of the coin. I'd be shocked if the DOD didn't find creative ways to "withdraw troops" to show publicly they did it to appease critics while maintaining an "advisory force" or some other nonsense in Afghanistan.

I really hate it when governments do this crap.

[Milchshake]

Oh no, the GOP and Putinbots are having a hard time dealing with Biden's messaging.

“You’ll never get anyone to admit this on the record, but it’s really f**king hard to drive down the negatives of an affable, gentlemanly white man who says nice, positive things most of the time,” a veteran Republican consultant said of Joe Biden.

Explain why we see so many strawman arguments of Biden at this point. Also, could one build a strawman out of turnips?

Also driving the gossip columnists at Politico insane!



Once you notice Ryan Lizza and Tara Palmeri were in the byline it all made sense.

[Edge-]

“You’ll never get anyone to admit this on the record, but it’s really f**king hard to drive down the negatives of an affable, gentlemanly white man who says nice, positive things most of the time,” a veteran Republican consultant said of Joe Biden.

Man, imagine when your parties ideology relies not on selling your own party/ideology to voters, but on demonizing the opposition and trying to portray them as worse.

Oh well, it's why they lost this time and will hopefully continue losing for some time to come.

[Milchshake]

Opps, double post. BAsically;

The Beltway media is rooting for the GOP. Always has been.

They do this out of boredom, or out of a sense of class solidarity.

[bladeXcrasher]

It's hilarious watching all this. They have nothing to pin on Biden so far because things are so normal. It's an indictment on just how batshit crazy the last 4 years were.

[Zan15]

It's hilarious watching all this. They have nothing to pin on Biden so far because things are so normal. It's an indictment on just how batshit crazy the last 4 years were.

but but they don't hold enough press conferences!!!!

[Edge-]

but but they don't hold enough press conferences!!!!

They're going after Harris for not having any.

You remember all those early press conferences Pence held? Neither do I.

They're really desperate to find anything they can.

[morislayer]

It's hilarious watching all this. They have nothing to pin on Biden so far because things are so normal. It's an indictment on just how batshit crazy the last 4 years were.

Calling things normal today is a good indication you are completely batshit crazy

[Machismo]

Calling things normal today is a good indication you are completely batshit crazy

Compared to the shitshow that was the last 4 years? Yeah, it's very tame.

[kaid]

It's hilarious watching all this. They have nothing to pin on Biden so far because things are so normal. It's an indictment on just how batshit crazy the last 4 years were.

Yup I loved the guy whining about how normal the presidential twitter feed is. Yes this guy is in the office doing work he ain't got time to shit post.

[Felya]

Calling things normal today is a good indication you are completely batshit crazy

Sorry, the last 4 years, that included such gems as having a Twitter feud with a little girl and retweeting a supporter screaming “white power”, is abnormal. Having such expectations from a president, is part of the problem with having a brand name as a president.

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Compared to the shitshow that was the last 4 years? Yeah, it's very tame.

That’s what GOP wants everyone to think is normal... otherwise, you can’t both sides crazy.

[Breccia]

So before announcing the Afghan withdraw, Bifden talked to Obama and W.

But not Trump. Because Trump lies all the time about everything.

Also, NATO is backing the play.

Can't wait to see the rabid fanbase invent a reason why this, something Trump promised but did not do, is bad.