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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Because it makes the news, It's a political chip on the table... Not a big chip mind for the reason that people clearly express at such places get nailed; the shock the surprise because "that sort of thing doesn't happen here." That's why it makes the news. In the mid 80s in Camden NJ? *yawn*
    It's not acceptable in Boulder and it's not acceptable in Camden.

    People who are resigned to terrible things "just being the way they are" are part of why those things never change.

    Case in point, people accepting gun violence as being "part and parcel" of living in the United States is utterly unacceptable. From citizens and politicians. Other countries have it under control. The reason the US does not is willful inaction on the part of both citizenry and politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    It's not acceptable in Boulder and it's not acceptable in Camden. .
    You never lived there... But feel free to relocate.
    I remember an old guy yelling at the drug dealers...and and people coming out and yelling at him...and laying a beat down on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    It's not acceptable in Boulder and it's not acceptable in Camden.
    I think the reaction to his post is very uncharitable... he is desensitized to these shootings, because gun violence is so prevalent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    You never lived there... But feel free to relocate.
    I remember an old guy yelling at the drug dealers...and and people coming out and yelling at him...and laying a beat down on him.
    It shouldn't happen anywhere in a first world country. Like I said: unacceptable.

    "Gun violence" does not give a place any more "character" or "distinction" than polio did the 1950s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Paying income tax on $660M in profits? No.
    Paying executives massive sums in stock options? Yes.
    I like Zoom, I've taught nine classes on it so far, but they can afford to pay taxes like I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    It would be wise for the democrats to figure out a concise message and get as many of their own on board before going wide with it. What is a defined achievable end goal, and a total gun ban... honestly tell the people that want that to stfu, it ain’t happening, and that mindset will cost precious seats in 2022. Build upon incremental victories.

    The best thing they can do NOW is go after existing gun law violations with draconian zeal. If that works, well, that’s great! If it doesn’t work, their failings can be built upon.

    There’s already a gun control thread. It’s path-of-action that should be the concern in a Biden thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    the right would claim the left wants to kill old people
    Ahem...DEATH PANELS.

    Which amusingly were a thing under Trump last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I was born and raised in worse.
    You...don't live in this country, do you?
    - Dude, I have had 2 glocks, a 357 magnum, and a 12 gauge shot gun pointed at my face over the course of my life.

    - I had the fun of sitting with 2 pieces of shit with the 2 glocks trying to get me to open a door so they could try and bust in and knowing there was children in there, I sat out there refusing to open the door and telling them I don't have the keys till they got scared and ran off when the fact was, the door wasn't even locked, I just wasn't telling them that and was mentally preparing to die taking at least one of them with me if they actually opened that door.

    -Just down the street from where I am typing this has had a drive by a few years back, across the street has been broke into at least 4 times over the past 20 years and this house I am in has been broke in at least once before I moved in here and just down the road about 5 miles on this same street is 2 crack streets.

    -I have spent time literally on the hood of a ford mustang because I was about run over by a drunk ass neighbor. Told him afterward if he ever did that again, I was taking a chainsaw to his car and I would let him watch.

    Don't none of that excuse mass shootings are make what I have been through in my life worse than those actual events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Oh fuck please...this the US...go home already... You apparently have zero grasp at how bad things are in some areas. Heck Philly is already over 100 murder mark... My old neighborhood used to be worse.

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    It's not an argument. It more like "where the fuck were you all at when this shit going down every year?"
    Whoa there! No need to get so hostile about it. It was a legitimate question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I was born and raised in worse.
    You...don't live in this country, do you?
    I don't. And based on your attitude to this shit, thank fuck I don't. When this stuff, whether it's gang shit or mass murder, is so normal that citizens are this desensitised to it and they don't even give a shit, you'd think they would maybe see an issue there.

    No wonder nothing ever changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    I will go a step further, I support permitting for all firearms. Because I love guns, I own quite a few and enjoy them. I do believe things that harm society have to be regulated in order to protect the freedom of those using them, and those impacted by them. It is entirely reasonable to me that a deadly weapon should be controlled by permits, this isn't new, lots of historical societies did this.

    For some reason, a lot of hardcore gun nuts LOVE Israeli firearms laws, which really makes me wonder if they actually read them. Israel requires a license to own firearms for anyone. They do issue a lot of them, but you can't own a weapon without that license. Weapons aren't permitted individually, instead your personal license controls what you can own (Same as your drivers license controls what you can drive). Laws like this is why nations like Switzerland and Israel can have extremely high gun ownership rates without the gun violence of the US. Anyone who loves guns should totally be backing licensing like this.
    If I recall, Israel also has conscription. They were taught how to use those weapons properly and (in theory) responsibly. You might say they were even..."well regulated". The Swiss do too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    It would be wise for the democrats to figure out a concise message and get as many of their own on board before going wide with it. What is a defined achievable end goal, and a total gun ban... honestly tell the people that want that to stfu, it ain’t happening, and that mindset will cost precious seats in 2022. Build upon incremental victories.

    The best thing they can do NOW is go after existing gun law violations with draconian zeal. If that works, well, that’s great! If it doesn’t work, their failings can be built upon.

    There’s already a gun control thread. It’s path-of-action that should be the concern in a Biden thread.
    Biden's problem, if he wants to do something on Gun Control and I'm not convinced, is that people view regulation as an incremental action towards bans except in the case of demonstrated danger. Their problem isn't figuring out concise messages, it's in convincing gun owners that the current proposal isn't just one step closer to an end goal they oppose.

    Biden will probably just posture and advance a proposal he knows won't succeed in the hopes that it increases the turnout of his base in 2022. He just doesn't have the votes for major change until then, and he (or his advisors) are smart enough to know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Biden's problem, if he wants to do something on Gun Control and I'm not convinced, is that people view regulation as an incremental action towards bans except in the case of demonstrated danger.
    Gee, I wonder who could be responsible for creating that impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Gee, I wonder who could be responsible for creating that impression.
    The people that point to Europe as reason to enact stringent gun or ammo controls. People that know most mass killings are carried out with handguns. Like, call your opponents as stupid as your own passion dictates, but it isn't that hard for others to put two and two together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    The people that point to Europe as reason to enact stringent gun or ammo controls.
    I'm not sure why, considering the gun clowns constantly point to Switzerland as evidence that citizen firearm ownership is totes fine.

    People that know most mass killings are carried out with handguns.
    Do they also know this is a non sequitur?

    Like, call your opponents as stupid as your own passion dictates, but it isn't that hard for others to put two and two together.
    Clearly it is since they keep introducing additional shit that doesn't matter into the equation (like cultural differences, the size of the US, the opinions of dead slaveholders, et cetera) rather than just adding the fucking numbers and seeing that the problem is too many guns, lol.

    The responsible party for the impression that regulation is a slippery slope into tyranny is a Republican one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I'm not sure why, considering the gun clowns constantly point to Switzerland as evidence that citizen firearm ownership is totes fine.

    Do they also know this is a non sequitur?

    Clearly it is since they keep introducing additional shit that doesn't matter into the equation (like cultural differences, the size of the US, the opinions of dead slaveholders, et cetera) rather than just adding the fucking numbers and seeing that the problem is too many guns, lol.

    The responsible party for the impression that regulation is a slippery slope into tyranny is a Republican one.
    What always gets me, and what the gun clowns continue to avoid as much as the GOP avoids reality, is the Australian Solution. A democracy/republic that set about introducing an entire culture shift away from guns, doing buy backs, seizures, and limiting types for sale, and shockingly gun violence declined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    What always gets me, and what the gun clowns continue to avoid as much as the GOP avoids reality, is the Australian Solution. A democracy/republic that set about introducing an entire culture shift away from guns, doing buy backs, seizures, and limiting types for sale, and shockingly gun violence declined.
    Um.

    Maybe that's not the best example.



    Although to be fair, the government is currently tied up in I believe four concurrent sex scandals at present. Going to make those talks between Biden and Scumbag ScoMo interesting to say the least.

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    Senators Duckworth and Hirono have stated they're voting no on further Biden cabinet nominees owing to a lack of Asian-American and Pacific Islander representation among said nominees.

    They have a point, Trump did nominate Elaine Chao (as horrible as she was).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Um.

    Maybe that's not the best example.

    Although to be fair, the government is currently tied up in I believe four concurrent sex scandals at present. Going to make those talks between Biden and Scumbag ScoMo interesting to say the least.
    That's today - the Australia Solution (I might want to rephrase that) was implemented 20+ years ago. Nothing they are doing now affects those stark and objective numbers.

    (that being said, I do see what you are saying - there are just not a lot of democracies/republics who've done this at all)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Gee, I wonder who could be responsible for creating that impression.
    What's funny is that guns aren't banned in Australia nor Europe. But don't let logic get in the way of a good hyperbole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    White House eyes sweeping $3T spending proposal

    A source familiar with the plans confirmed that administration officials are eyeing $3 trillion as the topline figure for its Build Back Better jobs and infrastructure proposal, though they cautioned talks are fluid and the final number could change. The sweeping package would constitute the White House's follow-up to the $1.9 trillion economic relief measure signed into law earlier this month.

    The new package is expected to be split into two separate bills. The first would focus on infrastructure, with spending on manufacturing and climate change measures, broadband and 5G, and the nation's roads and bridges.

    The other measure would include funds for pre-K programs, free community college tuition, child tax credits and health care subsidies, according to multiple reports.

    The administration has signaled for weeks that it planned to tackle infrastructure after getting the COVID-19 relief bill across the finish line. The issue has generally received bipartisan support, and President Biden has already met with members of both parties to discuss a potential deal.
    Let's be real. Planning is all cool but then what? Who's actually hyped for another bill watered down by Manchin and crew?

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