1. #6861
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    By cutting military spending, redirecting previous corporate healthcare spending into payroll taxes, and taxing the wealthy their fair share. Yes, including a marginal rate. How do you plan to pay to get to work on fully privatized infrastructure?
    So, your goal is to just tax someone else? What exactly is "their fair share?"

    I'm just here to push Biden and his supporters to spend a little less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I'm just here to push Biden and his supporters to spend a little less.
    That's an awfully verbose way of saying "being a contrarian nuisance".
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  3. #6863
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Again: get your eyes checked.
    Once again, how do you actually plan on PAYING for it.

    I get that you want to spend it. But, that's not covering how you are going to actually get the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's an awfully verbose way of saying "being a contrarian nuisance".
    What's wrong with compromise and fiscal responsibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Once again, how do you actually plan on PAYING for it.

    I get that you want to spend it. But, that's not covering how you are going to actually get the money.
    What part of "the money is already there" is so hard for you to grasp?

    Fortunately for you, poor eyesight is a treatable condition and would be covered under Medicare for All.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    What's wrong with compromise and fiscal responsibility?
    The part where you give us a sufficient reason to give enough of a shit about your opinion to deem it worth compromising with besides "I have a computer".
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  5. #6865
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What part of "the money is already there" is so hard for you to grasp?

    Fortunately for you, poor eyesight is a treatable condition and would be covered under Medicare for All.
    It's not already there... we're already pushing a massive deficit. The continued need to keep borrowing more, shows that the money really isn't there.

    Should we just print all the money we need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It's not already there... we're already pushing a massive deficit. The continued need to keep borrowing more, shows that the money really isn't there.
    Nah, it just shows that you don't understand how sovereign debt works and seem to equate it with personal debt. Lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    taking money from the military's budget would be the compromise in this situation, since we all know the reactions when we dare say increase taxes on certain people.

  8. #6868
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Nah, it just shows that you don't understand how sovereign debt works and seem to equate it with personal debt. Lol.
    Should we just print all the money, or just keep pushing that debt onto future generations?

    Do you honestly think you are leaving your children and grandchildren with a country that is worth the money you are forcing them to pay for?

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    also not sure why the deficit is such a big deal or the debt for that matter, it's all made up. the government can just make up more money when it needs to.

  10. #6870
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    taking money from the military's budget would be the compromise in this situation, since we all know the reactions when we dare say increase taxes on certain people.
    Take money from Social Security and Medicare, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    also not sure why the deficit is such a big deal or the debt for that matter, it's all made up. the government can just make up more money when it needs to.
    You do know what printing massive amounts of money leads to... right?

  11. #6871
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Take money from Social Security and Medicare, as well.
    how about no? you talk about leaving future generations off worse than the previous and taking away their social safety net is pretty much the only thing you could do to make their lives worse, not this boogieman about debt that's not even theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Should we just print all the money, or just keep pushing that debt onto future generations?
    Moving the goalposts from "you can't pay for this" to "I don't like the ways you pay for it" is kinda cringe, tbh.

    Do you honestly think you are leaving your children and grandchildren with a country that is worth the money you are forcing them to pay for?
    By investing into infrastructure and public services?

    Yes. Absolutely. Sorry to that second yacht you can't afford.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  13. #6873
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post

    You do know what printing massive amounts of money leads to... right?
    where is this money the government came up with that's kept the stock market from collapsing this whole pandemic?

  14. #6874
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    how about no? you talk about leaving future generations off worse than the previous and taking away their social safety net is pretty much the only thing you could do to make their lives worse, not this boogieman about debt that's not even theirs.
    Social Security is specifically the younger generations taking care of the older generations.

    It's time people weren't so damn lazy, and provided for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Take money from Social Security and Medicare, as well.
    It takes a really warped worldview to equate this with defense spending, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  16. #6876
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Moving the goalposts from "you can't pay for this" to "I don't like the ways you pay for it" is kinda cringe, tbh.



    By investing into infrastructure and public services?

    Yes. Absolutely. Sorry to that second yacht you can't afford.
    If you think this country is in a good enough position to warrant our absurd debt... then you haven't been paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Social Security is specifically the younger generations taking care of the older generations.
    It wasn't until people like you started gutting its funding, sweaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    If you think this country is in a good enough position to warrant our absurd debt... then you haven't been paying attention.
    We have: there's more than enough money, the problem is just like 20 people and their legion of shills hoarding it all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  18. #6878
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It takes a really warped worldview to equate this with defense spending, lol.
    Not really, people seem to consider both as "very important.

    I consider neither to be that important, particularly with how much we spend on each.

    Have a swell day!!!

  19. #6879
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Social Security is specifically the younger generations taking care of the older generations.

    It's time people weren't so damn lazy, and provided for themselves.
    and? how is that a bad thing? are you one of those guys on those so called death panels?

  20. #6880
    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    and? how is that a bad thing? are you one of those guys on those so called death panels?
    The problem is that the younger people don't have a say in the matter, it's pure fucking selfishness.

    I hope the Biden Administration stops the trend.

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