Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

Nope, it’s a statement of fact based on previous posts and your inability to counter the argument. Want me to link examples? You know I have them ready...

Evidence for that, please.

I'll wait. You have plenty of my quotes to choose from.

Meanwhile, it would be a refreshing surprise to see Biden, and his supporters, finally embrace some fiscal responsibility.

[Elegiac]

Remember when you guys were bitching for more than a hundred pages about the idea of not having budget increases?

Remember when all budget increases went to the same ends? No?

Then shove off with this silly gotcha. It is not a matter of 'fiscal responsibility', it's a matter of pouring money into things other than infrastructure and public services.

[Machismo]

Remember when all budget increases went to the same ends? No?

Then shove off with this silly gotcha.

it looks like people are finally opening up to the idea of cutting government spending, even if they previously showed concerns that doing so would slow the overall economy.

I'd call that progress.

[Elegiac]

it looks like people are finally opening up to the idea of cutting government spending, even if they previously showed concerns that doing so would slow the overall economy.

Then you need to get your eyes checked, because what people are calling for is using that money for other public projects.

People disliking military bloat doesn't mean anyone agrees with whatever ancap nonsense you're pushing.

[Machismo]

Then you need to get your eyes checked, because what people are calling for is using that money for other public projects.

People disliking military bloat doesn't mean anyone agrees with whatever ancap nonsense you're pushing.

But, how do Biden and his supporters plan on paying for all of this?

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Here you go, both are corporatist policies. Let me know how you refute them.

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Reduced military spending with appropriate spending on things like healthcare, infrastructure, and education. We’ve been very clear.

So, that's not what you claimed to be a fact... do we need to go over the difference between a fact and an opinion?

I'm literally supporting free speech, and you equate that to something else.

[Elegiac]

But, how do Biden and his supporters plan on paying for all of this?

Again: get your eyes checked.

using that money (i.e. bloated military funding) for other public projects

[Machismo]

By cutting military spending, redirecting previous corporate healthcare spending into payroll taxes, and taxing the wealthy their fair share. Yes, including a marginal rate. How do you plan to pay to get to work on fully privatized infrastructure?

So, your goal is to just tax someone else? What exactly is "their fair share?"

I'm just here to push Biden and his supporters to spend a little less.

[Elegiac]

I'm just here to push Biden and his supporters to spend a little less.

That's an awfully verbose way of saying "being a contrarian nuisance".

[Machismo]

Again: get your eyes checked.

Once again, how do you actually plan on PAYING for it.

I get that you want to spend it. But, that's not covering how you are going to actually get the money.

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That's an awfully verbose way of saying "being a contrarian nuisance".

What's wrong with compromise and fiscal responsibility?

[Elegiac]

Once again, how do you actually plan on PAYING for it.

I get that you want to spend it. But, that's not covering how you are going to actually get the money.

What part of "the money is already there" is so hard for you to grasp?

Fortunately for you, poor eyesight is a treatable condition and would be covered under Medicare for All.

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What's wrong with compromise and fiscal responsibility?

The part where you give us a sufficient reason to give enough of a shit about your opinion to deem it worth compromising with besides "I have a computer".

[Machismo]

What part of "the money is already there" is so hard for you to grasp?

Fortunately for you, poor eyesight is a treatable condition and would be covered under Medicare for All.

It's not already there... we're already pushing a massive deficit. The continued need to keep borrowing more, shows that the money really isn't there.

Should we just print all the money we need?

[Elegiac]

It's not already there... we're already pushing a massive deficit. The continued need to keep borrowing more, shows that the money really isn't there.

Nah, it just shows that you don't understand how sovereign debt works and seem to equate it with personal debt. Lol.

[uuuhname]

taking money from the military's budget would be the compromise in this situation, since we all know the reactions when we dare say increase taxes on certain people.

[Machismo]

Nah, it just shows that you don't understand how sovereign debt works and seem to equate it with personal debt. Lol.

Should we just print all the money, or just keep pushing that debt onto future generations?

Do you honestly think you are leaving your children and grandchildren with a country that is worth the money you are forcing them to pay for?

[uuuhname]

also not sure why the deficit is such a big deal or the debt for that matter, it's all made up. the government can just make up more money when it needs to.

[Machismo]

taking money from the military's budget would be the compromise in this situation, since we all know the reactions when we dare say increase taxes on certain people.

Take money from Social Security and Medicare, as well.

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also not sure why the deficit is such a big deal or the debt for that matter, it's all made up. the government can just make up more money when it needs to.

You do know what printing massive amounts of money leads to... right?

[uuuhname]

Take money from Social Security and Medicare, as well.

how about no? you talk about leaving future generations off worse than the previous and taking away their social safety net is pretty much the only thing you could do to make their lives worse, not this boogieman about debt that's not even theirs.

[Elegiac]

Should we just print all the money, or just keep pushing that debt onto future generations?

Moving the goalposts from "you can't pay for this" to "I don't like the ways you pay for it" is kinda cringe, tbh.

Do you honestly think you are leaving your children and grandchildren with a country that is worth the money you are forcing them to pay for?

By investing into infrastructure and public services?

Yes. Absolutely. Sorry to that second yacht you can't afford.

[uuuhname]

You do know what printing massive amounts of money leads to... right?

where is this money the government came up with that's kept the stock market from collapsing this whole pandemic?

[Machismo]

how about no? you talk about leaving future generations off worse than the previous and taking away their social safety net is pretty much the only thing you could do to make their lives worse, not this boogieman about debt that's not even theirs.

Social Security is specifically the younger generations taking care of the older generations.

It's time people weren't so damn lazy, and provided for themselves.