Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

Not really, people seem to consider both as "very important.

People seem to consider both actual medicine and homeopathy to work, therefore they are totally interchangeable! /s

Once again: you forgot to include the part where we give enough of a shit about your opinion to deem it worth compromising with. "I have an opinion" does not mean your opinion merits respect or legitimacy.

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The problem is that the younger people don't have a say in the matter

You mean younger people who are increasingly rejecting capitalism and want higher levels of public spending? Those young people? Lol.

[Santti]

Oh fuck off, Machismo. Seriously.

Grab your toys, and take them to the playground that was made just for you. You know the thread.

[uuuhname]

The problem is that the younger people don't have a say in the matter, it's pure fucking selfishness.

I hope the Biden Administration stops the trend.

my tax dollars going to my grand mother to keep her happy and alive isn't as terrible an idea as you think it is.

[Fugus]

I'm just happy that the Biden supporters are finally open to the idea of cutting spending.

They always have been where appropriate. They just don’t believe in cutting it where it is needed and where it is better and more efficient and effective when they are the ones handling it.

Your views are to cut it all and effectively “kill them all and let god sort it out” which ends up being a very bad idea in practice.

[Fugus]

Ah, time for the end of week Machismo Merry go Round, I see. What joy.

Still wonder how long he can keep it up before they start getting him for derailing the threads with it.

Edit: Maybe we could start a Libertarian mega thread and every time he goes on the tangent, we just start redirecting it there.

Or maybe start infracting those who feed him as well.

[Zan15]

my tax dollars going to my grand mother to keep her happy and alive isn't as terrible an idea as you think it is.

your grandmother and mother should have paid more into the system. They are their own reason why Social Security and Medicare are almost bankrupt.
They stopped raising those taxes and adjusting them in 1990 after raising them fractions of a % every few years to offset growing cost.

They are paying the same rates they paid 25 fucking years ago for products/services that have grown thousands of percent since then.

This is why there needs to be a huge tax on estates. Get those two generations to pay for all the shit the basically got for next to nothing in relative terms

[Fugus]

Much, much longer than either of us would like, I'd wager.

He's like a child that incessantly asks "Why?" every 2 seconds.

To me he seems more like that guy who tries to steer every conversation into something about sex and then keeps asking people why they think scat porn is gross because he likes it and then ignores their response.

[uuuhname]

your grandmother and mother should have paid more into the system. They are their own reason why Social Security and Medicare are almost bankrupt.
They stopped raising those taxes and adjusting them in 1990 after raising them fractions of a % every few years to offset growing cost.

They are paying the same rates they paid 25 fucking years ago for products/services that have grown thousands of percent since then.

This is why there needs to be a huge tax on estates. Get those two generations to pay for all the shit the basically got for next to nothing in relative terms

no real argument there, I'd much rather raise revenue than cut things since the cuts are almost guarantied to be the programs that need more money.

[Machismo]

They always have been where appropriate. They just don’t believe in cutting it where it is needed and where it is better and more efficient and effective when they are the ones handling it.

Your views are to cut it all and effectively “kill them all and let god sort it out” which ends up being a very bad idea in practice.

So, Rick Scott needed to make hundreds of millions from Medicare Fraud for his company?

They aren't efficient, especially SS. It's 12.4% of a person's lifetime income...

I have called for simply halting their increase, and pushing each and every department to be more efficient.

This is about Biden and the administration, so it's entirely on topic. I am calling for some actual fiscal responsibility from this administration. Or, are you saying it's off topic, because there's no shot in hell that would ever happen, so even talking about it is simply an exercise in futility?

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your grandmother and mother should have paid more into the system. They are their own reason why Social Security and Medicare are almost bankrupt.
They stopped raising those taxes and adjusting them in 1990 after raising them fractions of a % every few years to offset growing cost.

They are paying the same rates they paid 25 fucking years ago for products/services that have grown thousands of percent since then.

This is why there needs to be a huge tax on estates. Get those two generations to pay for all the shit the basically got for next to nothing in relative terms

Those rates are already too fucking high.

It's 12.4% of a person's income.

Here's a thought, cut benefits, or increase the retirement age.

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no real argument there, I'd much rather raise revenue than cut things since the cuts are almost guarantied to be the programs that need more money.

So, how much more are you willing to pay?

Can we count you in for the average, which is $3k per person in your household, per year? My guess is that you want someone else to pay for it, and you want to keep pushing this administration to spend like drunken sailors, just like the last one did.

This is where I expect to see the words "fair share" without any ability to show exactly what the fuck that even means.

[uuuhname]

So, how much more are you willing to pay?

Can we count you in for the average, which is $3k per person in your household, per year? My guess is that you want someone else to pay for it, and you want to keep pushing this administration to spend like drunken sailors, just like the last one did.

raise taxes on the super wealthy and corporations, cut the military's budget, etc. and that's me playing into this argument that spending is somehow an issue, which I fail to see how it is.

[Machismo]

raise taxes on the super wealthy and corporations, cut the military's budget, etc. and that's me playing into this argument that spending is somehow an issue, which I fail to see how it is.

So, nothing from you. Someone else will always take care of it for you. That's a pretty standard response. "I want more and more from the government, and make those assholes pay for it!!!"

No wonder those companies and the wealthy people don't want to play.

This is why guys like Manchin will continue to stand against the rest of the Democratic Party.

[uuuhname]

This is where I expect to see the words "fair share" without any ability to show exactly what the fuck that even means.

you've been unable to show what it means! you just scream "selfishness!" that's all you do!

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So, nothing from you.

nothing being my taxes? what!?

[Machismo]

you've been unable to show what it means! you just scream "selfishness!" that's all you do!

You literally want other people to pay for all the things you want. How is that any different than being a sugar baby?

You had the chance to offer to pay more, and you refused... just now. Nah, fuck that, make those other dudes pay for all these things I want the government to do.

Well, don't get pissed when you come to find out the government is working for the people who actually pay the bills. here's a hint, it's not you.

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you've been unable to show what it means! you just scream "selfishness!" that's all you do!

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nothing being my taxes? what!?

So, you're willing to pay $3k more per person in your household? Great news!!!

[uuuhname]

You had the chance to offer to pay more, and you refused... just now. Nah, fuck that, make those other dudes pay for all these things I want the government to do.

no one is obligated to play your disingenuous game dude. you must know, that even if I gave away every cent I have, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to fix or change the systemic issues we face. you have to know this. also I am paying the bills, you think I pay nothing on my taxes? what? this is all so childish.

[Elegiac]

I have called for simply halting their increase, and pushing each and every department to be more efficient.

Y'all have no room to complain about efficiency when you think profit is efficient. Lol.

[Machismo]

no one is obligated to play your disingenuous game dude. you must know, that even if I gave away every cent I have, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to fix or change the systemic issues we face. you have to know this.

That's the problem. You guys keep calling on Biden and this administration to keep spending more and more, but none of you seem to want to put in more and more.

We do face systemic issues, like massive debt... and you support it all. You want to keep pushing those deficits, and raising that debt. You want to raise tax revenue, but have no desire to be a part of that increase. Someone else will pay for it.

"Someone else will pay for it."

It's literally the only argument you guys have.

Thank God that there's sane people in the Democratic Party who won't go along with it.

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Y'all have no room to complain about efficiency when you think profit is efficient. Lol.

Profit motive does push efficiency. The more efficient you are, the higher chance of a profitable outcome.

It's basic economics, sweaty.

[Elegiac]

We do face systemic issues, like massive debt...

This isn't 2009, sweetheart.

No one besides yourself gives a shit about the debt (no, not even Republicans) because it was always a shitty excuse to gut public programs to begin with, lol.

[Machismo]

This isn't 2009, sweetheart.

No one besides yourself gives a shit about the debt (no, not even Republicans) because it was always a shitty excuse to gut public programs to begin with, lol.

Then, why gut any programs at all? Why bother cutting defense spending, if money is entirely meaningless?

Well, this just got awkward for you.

[Elegiac]

Profit motive does push efficiency.

Marking up the price of a good or service beyond the cost of production and distribution is an inefficiency, hun.

You've just been conditioned to view that sort of inefficiency as acceptable.

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Then, why gut any programs at all? Why bother cutting defense spending, if money is entirely meaningless?

Because it is still a waste of time, resources, and personnel beyond the sticker price?

Also, viewing money as having some meaning is the compromise. You just want 'compromise' to mean 'your way'.

[Machismo]

Marking up the price of a good or service beyond the cost of production and distribution is an inefficiency, hun.

Profit is a goal of a capitalistic endeavor, not a government one. Government has no pushing drive to become more efficient, and when I called for more efficiency, every fucking one of you whined at the idea.

Profit motive, along with competition, is how businesses become more efficient. It's how products become cheaper to make. If government departments literally do what they can to secure more funding, then efficiency can actually harm their chances of achieving funding, sweaty.