Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Stormspellz]

It's literally a higher percentage of their income...

So, it's more, both in total, and in percentage.

That's how it works.

Oh shit, now you people want a wealth tax on top of income taxes? Talk about punishing people for saving money...

no its not, the base % is sure, but no one pays the base percentage, and its how companies like coke or amazon get tax refunds, when you factor in all the loopholes and freebe subsidies, neither big corp or the 1% pay their fair share

[Machismo]

as soon as you stop being so comically disingenuous.

As of now, I've seen you call for spending increases, and called for others to pay more.

Not once have I seen you offer to pay more, even when directly asked. So, my only logical assumption is that you don't want to pay more. That means you want other people to pay for all the shit that you want, with no end in sight. Just like any other sugar baby, that makes you selfish.

[Kellhound]

Basically.

The relationship between the US and its "allies" is much the same as the relationship between Britain and Egypt. "Colony" is just such a crass term these days.

I wish in some ways that was the case, but it isn't. Not even close.

[Machismo]

Noooooo? SS does not require an exponentially increasing population to remain solvent and never has.



Thus making it not a Ponzi scheme.

It literally does, due to life expectancy, and the number of those collecting that increases.

Welcome to the conversation.

[Hinastorm]

I care about everyone, that's the point. I don't hate them, just because they are wealthy. I don't want to punish them for what they have.

Taxing the rich is the easy, lazy, and selfish way out. It's a populist ideal, and it stinks of prejudice.

I care about their liberty, just as I care about yours.

Taxing the rich more isn't a "punishment", it's a minor inconvenience, as evidenced by multiple studies that show the diminishing returns from more and more wealth.

Again, you care more about the rich keeping money than you care about the well being of the majority. You can hop, skip, and jump around that fact all you want.

[Elegiac]

I wish in some ways that was the case, but it isn't. Not even close.

Cool, let me know when you get an argument supporting that viewpoint that isn't "because I said so".

[unfilteredJW]

Can you guys just fish the turd out of the pool before it ruins another thread?

[Machismo]

no its not, the base % is sure, but no one pays the base percentage, and its how companies like coke or amazon get tax refunds, when you factor in all the loopholes and freebe subsidies, neither big corp or the 1% pay their fair share

They pay a higher percentage of their AGI, the top 1% does.

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-of...ta-2020-update

[uuuhname]

As of now, I've seen you call for spending increases, and called for others to pay more.

Not once have I seen you offer to pay more, even when directly asked. So, my only logical assumption is that you don't want to pay more. That means you want other people to pay for all the shit that you want, with no end in sight. Just like any other sugar baby, that makes you selfish.

I already told why this game of yours is dumb:

no one is obligated to play your disingenuous game dude. you must know, that even if I gave away every cent I have, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to fix or change the systemic issues we face. you have to know this. also I am paying the bills, you think I pay nothing on my taxes? what? this is all so childish.

[Machismo]

Taxing the rich more isn't a "punishment", it's a minor inconvenience, as evidenced by multiple studies that show the diminishing returns from more and more wealth.

Again, you care more about the rich keeping money than you care about the well being of the majority. You can hop, skip, and jump around that fact all you want.

Just to balance the budget, you'd have to triple the liability of the top 1%.

It's not a punishment to you, because you're not rich. Every time people talk about budgets, and it comes to how it's going to be paid for, very few people are willing to step up, and pay more. Everyone is a fiscal conservative, until it's someone else's money.

I care about liberty.

[Kellhound]

A treaty you dictated the writing of isn't someone asking, lol.

We dictated that we would come to their defense if they were attacked....

[Elegiac]

It literally does, due to life expectancy, and the number of those collecting that increases.

Neither of which are inherent features of SS? Lol?

[Machismo]

I already told why this game of yours is dumb:

There's more than one of you. This isn't about "making a dent" it's about being willing to actually put your money where your mouth is. If you want Biden and the Dems to spend more, but aren't willing to actually pay more, that makes you selfish.

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Neither of which are inherent features of SS? Lol?

Yes, they literally are.

This was always about how long they would expect people to receive benefits, how many would pay in, how much they would pay in over their lifetimes, versus how much they would collect.

[Hinastorm]

Just to balance the budget, you'd have to triple the liability of the top 1%.

It's not a punishment to you, because you're not rich. Every time people talk about budgets, and it comes to how it's going to be paid for, very few people are willing to step up, and pay more. Everyone is a fiscal conservative, until it's someone else's money.

I care about liberty.

So you care more about the rich keeping their money than you care about the majority, got it. You're a bad person.

[Elegiac]

Just to balance the budget, you'd have to triple the liability of the top 1%.

It's not a punishment to you, because you're not rich.

We already know that large amounts of wealth distorts people's ethics and worldview, sweaty.

Most of us don't try and justify what is functionally aristocracy and pretend it's liberty, tho.

[Machismo]

So you care more about the rich keeping their money than you care about the majority, got it. You're a bad person.

Nope, try again.

I want you to keep your money, as well.

Feel free to keep lying.

[uuuhname]

There's more than one of you. This isn't about "making a dent" it's about being willing to actually put your money where your mouth is. If you want Biden and the Dems to spend more, but aren't willing to actually pay more, that makes you selfish.

so let me get this straight; it's not about my actions but in the end its about my actions. make up your fucking mind.

[Elegiac]

Yes, they literally are.

Despite the phenomenon of the aging population not starting to make itself apparent until at least three decades after SS was implemented.

Sure, Jan.

[Machismo]

We already know that large amounts of wealth distorts people's ethics and worldview, sweaty.

Most of us don't try and justify what is functionally aristocracy and pretend it's liberty, tho.

Are you saying wealthy people are less ethical than other income levels?

Evidence, please.

[Kellhound]

Cool, let me know when you get an argument supporting that viewpoint that isn't "because I said so".

Look at how many countries in NATO do not spend what they are obligated to. If the US had the control you want to think it does, that wouldn't be the case.