Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

so let me get this straight; it's not about my actions but in the end its about my actions. make up your fucking mind.

It's about your blatant hypocrisy and utter selfishness.

That's my argument.

- - - Updated - - -

Despite the phenomenon of the aging population not starting to make itself apparent until at least three decades after SS was implemented.

Sure, Jan.

It's like you don't even know why SS was even created.

There were old people when SS was started.

[Elegiac]

Are you saying wealthy people are less ethical than other income levels?

How higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior.

[uuuhname]

It's about your blatant hypocrisy and utter selfishness.

no, this is about your blatant lack of self awareness. you have your conclusions and all you can do is try and ignore all reason and logic to maintain your conclusions, that's obvious at this point.

[Elegiac]

t's like you don't even know why SS was even created.

There were old people when SS was started.

Yes, there were.

Now do how many old people there were relative to the number of young people at the time. "People paying into a scheme they aren't using immediately" does not make it a Ponzi scheme, sweaty.

[Hinastorm]

Nope, try again.

I want you to keep your money, as well.

Feel free to keep lying.

Ya, I get bans and infractions for saying stuff like that, i'm sure you'll get off scot free.

Are you saying the studies about diminishing returns of the effects of wealth are fake?

[Elegiac]

Look at how many countries in NATO do not spend what they are obligated to. If the US had the control you want to think it does, that wouldn't be the case.

Nah, you just have a very romanticized view of how colonial relations were conducted by empires prior to the US.

[Machismo]

How higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior.

Just to get this straight... I want to make good and sure you are now arguing that socioeconomic status is actually inverse to crime rates?

The last time I checked, poor people were far more likely to commit crimes.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/...6_6/rr06_6.pdf

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

- - - Updated - - -

Yes, there were.

Now do how many old people there were relative to the number of young people at the time. "People paying into a scheme they aren't using immediately" does not make it a Ponzi scheme, sweaty.

There were many less, and as the years went on, and life expectancy continued to rise, then there were more collecting as a ratio compared to those paying in.

This continued for many years, and will continue for many to come.

This was all known, because it's a fucking Ponzi scheme.

- - - Updated - - -

Ya, I get bans and infractions for saying stuff like that, i'm sure you'll get off scot free.

Are you saying the studies about diminishing returns of the effects of wealth are fake?

You literally ignored what I said, that's not really my fault.

[Elegiac]

Just to get this straight... I want to make good and sure you are now arguing that socioeconomic status is actually inverse to crime rates?

Gee, that couldn't possibly be because rich people construct legal and political systems that are permissive of their unethical behaviors? (See: White collar versus blue collar offenses)

You're moving the goalposts from unethical behavior to things legally regarded as crimes, so I'll take that as an admission you have no evidence to counter it.

[Machismo]

no, this is about your blatant lack of self awareness. you have your conclusions and all you can do is try and ignore all reason and logic to maintain your conclusions, that's obvious at this point.

I literally have your own words, and the definitions of other words.

[Fugus]

Guys, seriously do you guys not remember

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...p-derailing-it

@Rozz if you don’t want people to contain it, can you please take care of this?

[Machismo]

Gee, that couldn't possibly be because rich people construct legal and political systems that are permissive of their unethical behaviors?

You're moving the goalposts from unethical behavior to things legally regarded as crimes, so I'll take that as an admission you have no evidence to counter it.

Your own studies pointed to crime...

You brought that in.

Alas, the United States Government, and the government of Canada would like to have a shat in regards to crime rates.

[Elegiac]

This was all known

It was not, which is why the Baby Boom is even historically noteworthy. *facepalm*

[Hinastorm]

Machismo, are you claiming that the studies that lay out why there are diminishing returns on wealth are fake?

Cause either you are, or you care about the rich keeping their money more than you care about the majority.

Pick one. It's that simple.

[uuuhname]

I literally have your own words, and the definitions of other words.

lol ok, good luck trying to convince anyone besides yourself I'm selfish for not wanting to let a random grandmother die from lack of care.

[Machismo]

Guys, seriously do you guys not remember

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...p-derailing-it

@Rozz if you don’t want people to contain it, can you please take care of this?

I'm staying on topic.

I have no problem talking about this administration, and wanting it to fix issues like Social Security and the deficit.

Would you like to discuss those things?

- - - Updated - - -

Machismo, are you claiming that the studies that lay out why there are diminishing returns on wealth are fake?

Cause either you are, or you care about the rich keeping their money more than you care about the majority.

Pick one. It's that simple.

What studies?

I have made no such claim.

- - - Updated - - -

It was not, which is why the Baby Boom is even historically noteworthy. *facepalm*

Life expectancy had been increasing for a while...

- - - Updated - - -

lol ok, good luck trying to convince anyone besides yourself I'm selfish for not wanting to let a random grandmother die from lack of care.

No, you're selfish for wanting to increase taxes on others, to pay for more and more government, while not being willing to put forth any more of your own.

[Elegiac]

Your own studies pointed to crime...

Only one of the studies used as support for the meta-analysis was related to crime rates, sweaty: now do all the other ones regarding unethical behaviors that aren't explicitly criminal.

[Hinastorm]

I'm staying on topic.

I have no problem talking about this administration, and wanting it to fix issues like Social Security and the deficit.

Would you like to discuss those things?

- - - Updated - - -



What studies?

I have made no such claim.

- - - Updated - - -



Life expectancy had been increasing for a while...

- - - Updated - - -



No, you're selfish for wanting to increase taxes on others, to pay for more and more government, while not being willing to put forth any more of your own.

Your ignorance of the studies isn't an excuse for your bad position on taxes. And no, i'm not gonna link them for you just for you to call them fake.

Diminishing returns on wealth are simply a fact, and are a super good reason for why we should be taxing the rich more.

[Breccia]

It's time once again for Guess the Speaker!

He's been a disaster on foreign policy. The border is in chaos. The Iranians are off the mat. He’s opening up negotiations with the Iranian regime that they haven't done a damn to change. Afghanistan is going to fall apart. Russia and China are ... already pushing him around.

That's Graham, on FOX News because of course it was, explaining why Biden's first 100 days have been "very destabilizing".

I understand the pearl clutching about the border, but he's trying the same thing with...well, every country on the list but Iran. Trump acted like a spoiled child and damaged every diplomatic relationship we had. Biden's trying to put things back, but Graham is calling that destabilizing. Remember when Trump unilaterally broke the Iran Nuclear Deal and then feigned surprise when they were upset? Biden putting it back is not the problem. Biden trying not to put small children in dog cages until they die isn't the problem, either. And China? Fucking seriously? Remember those tariffs that Trump started? How are those doing? Oh wait, they're still up and running.

And of course there's Afghanistan. Remember how Trump campaigned and ran on withdrawing troops there, and just...didn't? And now Graham is playing the "oh dears, oh dearie me, think of the children" card? Where was that argument when Trump said he would do what Biden actually did? (NOTE: I'm not a huge fan of this "everyone out of Afghanistan IMMEDIATELY" push, but that won't stop me from pointing out Graham's hypocrisy).

Graham is clearly trying what Trump did: just make up shit, and push the narrative as if it was the truth. With the southern border, at least there's something he can point to as evidence, but in each case his motive is 100% disingenuous.

Fuck that guy. Well...fuck his wife.

[uuuhname]

cool story dude

[Elegiac]

Life expectancy had been increasing for a while...

As was the birthrate.

"Breaking even" is not a geometric increase in participants, lol.

- - - Updated - - -

It's time once again for Guess the Speaker!

That's Graham, on FOX News because of course it was, explaining why Biden's first 100 days have been "very destabilizing".

I understand the pearl clutching about the border, but he's trying the same thing with...well, every country on the list but Iran. Trump acted like a spoiled child and damaged every diplomatic relationship we had. Biden's trying to put things back, but Graham is calling that destabilizing. Remember when Trump unilaterally broke the Iran Nuclear Deal and then feigned surprise when they were upset? Biden putting it back is not the problem. Biden trying not to put small children in dog cages until they die isn't the problem, either. And China? Fucking seriously? Remember those tariffs that Trump started? How are those doing? Oh wait, they're still up and running.

And of course there's Afghanistan. Remember how Trump campaigned and ran on withdrawing troops there, and just...didn't? And now Graham is playing the "oh dears, oh dearie me, think of the children" card? Where was that argument when Trump said he would do what Biden actually did? (NOTE: I'm not a huge fan of this "everyone out of Afghanistan IMMEDIATELY" push, but that won't stop me from pointing out Graham's hypocrisy).

Graham is clearly trying what Trump did: just make up shit, and push the narrative as if it was the truth. With the southern border, at least there's something he can point to as evidence, but in each case his motive is 100% disingenuous.

Fuck that guy. Well...fuck his wife.

How long do you think the GOP are going to try and milk the "Middle East scary" cow?

I'm getting the distinct sense the public is just becoming desensitized to it, tbh. Folks don't seem as manifestly concerned about Iran now as they were even half a decade ago.