Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

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https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides...se-information

The workaround, of course, is that "opinion shows" do not qualify as "news programming". Once they hand off to Fucker Carlson, the shitbrain can talk all he wants about the microchips Biden is putting in the vaccines to turn your children gay, and there's fuck-all the FCC can do about it.

[Fugus]

The workaround, of course, is that "opinion shows" do not qualify as "news programming". Once they hand off to Fucker Carlson, the shitbrain can talk all he wants about the microchips Biden is putting in the vaccines to turn your children gay, and there's fuck-all the FCC can do about it.

Yep, which is why I gave the fix it. If they aren’t news but are talking about it, they are required to give that disclaimer at the start and end of the show. Otherwise they will be held to the same standard as an actual news source.

If they want to pretend they are news, let them be regulated as such.

[starlord]

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides...se-information

well, people have tried. thats where you run into that wormy distinction of "distort the news" vs "someone stating their opinions on the news" that fox has been able to get away with.

[Fugus]

well, people have tried. thats where you run into that wormy distinction of "distort the news" vs "someone stating their opinions on the news" that fox has been able to get away with.

Which is why I proposed a fix for that which wouldn’t involve the courts in any way.

If they are giving their opinions, let them state the disclaimer at the start and end of their show. Otherwise, they will be treated as news. And they must give it every episode and not try and hide it selectively only on the stuff they can’t twist beyond recognition.

[starlord]

Which is why I proposed a fix for that which wouldn’t involve the courts in any way.

If they are giving their opinions, let them state the disclaimer at the start and end of their show. Otherwise, they will be treated as news. And they must give it every episode and not try and hide it selectively only on the stuff they can’t twist beyond recognition.

you don't thing such a thing might be challenged in court?

we already get stuff like this so i'm not optimistic.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...n-2020-9%3famp

[PhaelixWW]

I think that one doesn't count. The bee's don't actually "eat/vomit" it out, so it's still technically plant-based!

Entirely debatable. Almost all the vegans I've known eschew honey, as it's considered an animal product, like milk.

[Fugus]

you don't thing such a thing might be challenged in court?

we already get stuff like this so i'm not optimistic.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...n-2020-9%3famp

This regulation would stand in court easily as it isn’t violating any free speech rights and as sad as that court case is, they had a legal leg to stand on because Tucker isn’t news.

This change would just require Tucker to state he isn’t news, doesn’t have to be honest or accurate, and should not be considered a valid news source at the start and end of his show to clarify that.

[starlord]

This regulation would stand in court easily as it isn’t violating any free speech rights and as sad as that court case is, they had a legal leg to stand on because Tucker isn’t news.

This change would just require Tucker to state he isn’t news, doesn’t have to be honest or accurate, and should not be considered a valid news source at the start and end of his show to clarify that.

well lets hope we see something like that.

[Fugus]

well lets hope we see something like that.

Agreed but to loop around to where it started, this wasn’t a both sides deal, this came exclusively from the Republicans, their donors, and their supporters. Equally, this will be disliked, fought against and removed the moment they take power because the last thing they want is an informed voter base that they can’t lie to.

No amount of compromise or bipartisanship on the Democrats half would ever allow this to pass because the Republicans would fight it tooth and nail if they could.

[starlord]

Agreed but to loop around to where it started, this wasn’t a both sides deal, this came exclusively from the Republicans, their donors, and their supporters. Equally, this will be disliked, fought against and removed the moment they take power because the last thing they want is an informed voter base that they can’t lie to.

No amount of compromise or bipartisanship on the Democrats half would ever allow this to pass because the Republicans would fight it tooth and nail if they could.

ok. so whats the real solution then?

[Fugus]

ok. so whats the real solution then?

The only solution I can think of is to actually go on the offensive with the Republicans. Don’t do the messed up stuff they do though.

Actually call them out publicly and forcefully when they lie and with evidence. Come at them with the same power that the GOP base loved Trump for when he spoke except come with substance behind it.

The main thrust of the administration should be on “Returning the power to the people” and have it be as central to their administration as the ACA was to Obama’s.

Don’t try and compromise on it, if the Republicans want to actually have constructive, good faith input, let them but they have prove they largely only want “compromise” when they can’t force their way with the last 12 years as proof so don’t hold their breath.

Push for HR1 like bills and push them policy by policy if need be and make it as public as possible. Remove gerrymandering, have the fcc go after the liars and hold their feet to the fire. Have them go after the dark money donors. Go for public funding of elections honestly were donors aren’t even legally allowed nor is self funding for the election. Ethics requirements for justices and so on.

Make it where the voters matter, the politicians can’t really play with the process as much and need to court voters and not donors.

Once that happens, that kills much of the power that has turned the GOP into what they are and kills much of the same influence that seems to get the DNC to be so weak when they actually push for many issues because “the donors don’t like it”.

[Dontrike]

so the plan is, what, "ignore the other party, nuke the filibuster to steamroll stuff through congress, then hope and pray that they dont inevitably gain power in congress and promptly undo everything that they had no part in making and then steamroll their own agenda"?
sounds... great.

How would you work with people that literally don't want to work with you and only want things to get worse? They didn't compromise during Obama, they didn't compromise during Trump, and they will continue that track record until the end of time.

[draynay]

Unlike with milk there’s literally no harm in taking excess honey. Vegans are weird.

Plus honeybees are fuckers so who cares anyway?

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Plus honeybees are fuckers so who cares anyway?

Unless you're like literally swatting at honeybees, they'll leave you alone. Even bumblebees are just clumsy little bros. A lot of professional apiarists don't even bother with gloves/gear when collecting honeybee swarms, because they're so easy to handle.

[draynay]

No they aren’t. They’re incredibly gentle and do a lot of good by pollinating our cops. Why do you hate bees? I was swarmed when I planted a foot in a nest of ground bees and I don’t hate em...

My friend is an expert on bees and he hates honeybees, its rubbed off on me.

[PhaelixWW]

My friend is an expert on bees and he hates honeybees, its rubbed off on me.

I literally can't conceive of someone who is an expert on bees hating honeybees...

...that's like considering a Qtard an expert on politics.

[Zan15]

so the plan is, what, "ignore the other party, nuke the filibuster to steamroll stuff through congress, then hope and pray that they dont inevitably gain power in congress and promptly undo everything that they had no part in making and then steamroll their own agenda"?
sounds... great.

Nah republican's won't touch 80-90% of the things they "steamroll" through congress because if it wasn't for politics they would have voted for it.
Hell they continue to take credit for things they voted against.

You think they are going to undo things that have 50-60-70%+ approval ratings??

ACA proved they are full of shit.

[Themius]

Weird considering every bee expert I’ve met loves them... why does he hate bees that rarely sting and benefit mankind immensely?

They don't benefit mankind "immensely" unless they're where they should be.

They are an invasive species of bees generally in the case of America. There a tons of species of bees, yet... European Honeybees proliferate a ton and suppress the population of the native American bees.

People don't seem to understand just how fucked the situation is...

Honey bees firstly do not have enough variety in tongue lengths they all have very similar tongues. Honey bees do not change fast enough with each generation in order to tackle longer or shorter flowers. Honey bees bodies are less capable of transferring pollen, and worst of alleuropean honeybees move on from pollinating an area well before reaching near 100% pollination ..

Natives bees are better suited for transferring pollen.. .they also have a fuck ton of variety with tons of tongues that make them much more capable to do their job. And they also don't move until nearly the entire area they're in is pollinated.

People think honey bees are some great pollinating guy who is, unfortunately, being killed off... instead they're an okay less efficient species of bees that's driving the amazing pollinating guys who are perfect for the ecosystem, into extinction or to being endangered.

The honey bees are invasive, they shouldn't even be here. They routinely kill off all the other native species of bees that have had thousands of years over here to evolve to the floral of the Americas. There are tons of bees in danger of entire collpase and extinction because of them.

The other problem and probably why some people have a vendetta with the honey bee (me a bit too...) is because the way people fawn over them with all the save the bees stuff. Honey bees are all over the entire glove with huge populations and are an invasive species with a high population that is used in farming for a good people love... they're not in danger.

Meanwhile not many people understand the thousands of smaller bee species, tons of solitary or low colony bee species that are under threat of going extinct with numbers decreasing for some bumblebees species by over 96%! People are worried about the wrong damn bees and missing the huge problem facing all the other bee species.

Analogy:

The honey bee is the wealthy guy complaining about losing 100mn as his private equity firm buys a ton of small companies to milk before liquidating them. Then gets all the attention for losing money while all the smaller companies he has fucked over to make himself rich, get no press.

[Fugus]

ACA proved they are full of shit.

Actually, the ACA proved that they will do something just as stupid and damaging to the nation as that.

Remember, it came within a single vote of being removed and it took McCain being on his deathbed knowing it will impact his legacy to actually vote for it.

Having to rely on that level just to protect something that is provably better than what they want to replace it with and popular is beyond insane.

The ACA proves they will cut off their nose to spite their face. And if they had succeeded they would have blamed liberals for the consequences of it as well.

[starlord]

interesting article on how biden has learned from obama:

Just three months into his presidency, Biden has already signed the $1.9tn coronavirus relief package, which did not attract a single Republican vote in Congress. Delivering his first presidential address to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday, Biden signaled he was willing to take a similar approach to infrastructure if necessary.

“I’d like to meet with those who have ideas that are different,” the president said of his infrastructure plan. “I welcome those ideas. But the rest of the world is not waiting for us. I just want to be clear: from my perspective, doing nothing is not an option.”

Even though he has much smaller majorities in Congress than Obama did in 2009, Biden has decided to take a much more audacious approach. The Biden strategy centers on acting boldly and quickly to advance his legislative agenda. And if he has to abandon bipartisanship along the way, so be it.

...

Biden and his team have insisted their proposals are bipartisan, pointing to surveys showing the coronavirus relief package enjoys the support of a broad majority of Americans, including many Republicans. They accuse Republican lawmakers of being out of touch with the needs of their constituents.

“The most game-changing change in the dynamic that this White House has done is redefining bipartisanship to mean among the public and not among DC politicians,” said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

Green and other progressive strategists expressed hope that these widely popular policies will pay dividends in next year’s midterms, allowing Democrats to avoid their disastrous showing in 2010.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...bamas-mistakes

hopefully this approach pays off.