1. #7701
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    That sounds like the court's decision. Honestly, it's time "we have vague emergency powers" gets clarification. I'm done with National Security Lol being the answer to everything. The CDC should have emergency powers, but not vague ones.
    am i right in reading this, they didn't have a problem with the CDC till the end of Jan 2021....i mean can Alabama be that transparent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Well technically, considering it's the CDCs job to control disease, and population movement in the time of a major pandemic has a significant effect on its ability to control disease... It makes sense that the CDC could restrict the ability of landlords to forcefully displace people.
    hmm that is an interesting angle, though they could fight back and say its not a private entities responsibility to manage the displacement and housing issue.

    If this was the case then couldn't the CDC force employers not to fire anyone because changing jobs / losing jobs is a primary reason for people migrating?

    It just seems emergency declarations could have come from many other parts of the govt including housing dept and the executive office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    It makes sense that the CDC could restrict the ability of landlords to forcefully displace people.
    I actually agree. That should be specified more specifically, to avoid lawsuits like this one from overturning it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post

    If this was the case then couldn't the CDC force employers not to fire anyone because changing jobs / losing jobs is a primary reason for people migrating?
    Housing is a much more immediate/urgent issue for keeping people in place than employment. Employment tends to be a more medium to long term issue.

    It's hard to tell an infected individual that they need to self isolate if they are homeless. It also affects your ability to enforce curfews and social distancing. Beyond that it's hard to locate an individual who might need treatment or assistance if they don't have an address.

    There are layers to the urgency of various things, but housing is an immediate absolute urgency. You know, primary human requirements of food, water, shelter. And shelter in this specific situation has additional considerations that go beyond the needs of the individual to the needs of society as a whole. Pandemic special circumstances and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Housing is a much more immediate/urgent issue for keeping people in place than employment. Employment tends to be a more medium to long term issue.

    It's hard to tell an infected individual that they need to self isolate if they are homeless. It also affects your ability to enforce curfews and social distancing. Beyond that it's hard to locate an individual who might need treatment or assistance if they don't have an address.

    There are layers to the urgency of various things, but housing is an immediate absolute urgency. You know, primary human requirements of food, water, shelter. And shelter in this specific situation has additional considerations that go beyond the needs of the individual to the needs of society as a whole. Pandemic special circumstances and all that.
    hmm all good points, but they could expand using that logic.
    Although it would be a harder thing to "sell" to the general population and pols not to mention the money behind those who would be effected are on a much larger scale then landlords and property owners.


    maybe you should have represented the CDC instead.

    Most good states have state level restrictions anyway they didn't need the CDC.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  5. #7705
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I actually agree. That should be specified more specifically, to avoid lawsuits like this one from overturning it.
    I think to a large degree the vagueness around emergency powers is somewhat intentional, especially in areas like disaster response, because let's be honest here, how many of us, especially bureaucrats and politicians have foreseen what we would need to do to deal with something like this specific pandemic.

    Even the scientific community that kinda have foreseen all this was mostly learning as it was going.

    You kinda need a bit of vagueness and wiggle room to deal with unforseen or unpredictable circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    You kinda need a bit of vagueness and wiggle room to deal with unforseen or unpredictable circumstances.
    I guess it's a sliding scale. I am disappointed with the results, but they stand. Making them more clear will make future lawsuits harder.

  7. #7707
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Big 'ol citations needed for these claims*
    New York City and DC Republicans, particularly for local races. First brought to my attention by libertarians and republicans living in those cities, both in casual conversation and on podcasts.

    It’s a pretty open secret. Look at the percent of Democrats that win the primary that go onto winning the election in those cities. It’s astronomical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    New York City and DC Republicans
    That's not really a citation. Surely you can find an exact quote or two?

    I'm sure it's next to where state legislatures voting on election results are in the Constitution. Don't forget about that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    New York City and DC Republicans, particularly for local races. First brought to my attention by libertarians and republicans living in those cities, both in casual conversation and on podcasts.
    But like...is this actually happening? Or are people just talking about how it could happen. I've seen little to no evidence that this is actually happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    It’s a pretty open secret. Look at the percent of Democrats that win the primary that go onto winning the election in those cities. It’s astronomical.
    ...ok? Just look at Republicans that win primaries and go on to win their seats in Republican strongholds. Same exact thing, the primary victor in a safe state/district is going to win their race.

    I'm not sure this is even any kind of "secret", closed or open. This is simply how the primary process works and how general elections in safe states/districts play out.

  10. #7710
    .McConnell in KY sidesteps a question on Cheney (and later, on Trump):

    "100% of my focus is on stopping this new administration... 100% of my focus is on standing up to this administration."
    https://twitter.com/JulieNBCNews/sta...724160515?s=19

    Hey Mitch, how about put some effort into helping bring legislation to help Americans. Of course we all know since they stated this the day Obama was elected this is their strategy.

    The kicker was when announced the day of Obama's inauguration and the election of the tea baggers, who wanted no government function. The horrible part is this supposedly led to people who frustrated by the Government not working led to Trump. I still it's something else l, but whatever.

    So we McConnell and the Republicans who won't let government work with at least half the country voting Republican and complaining of the government not working. Again Democrats are far from perfect, but they want the government to function, even if a Republican in the Executive seat.
    Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!

  11. #7711
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Big 'ol citations needed for these claims*
    I'm sure it maybe happened once or twice. If a lib or repub decided to run as a dem just to win, the voters in that district would know and a real Democrat would win. I just don't see it happening. And like you, I'm just dismissing it as bull shit until he cites it happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Neither candidate in 2016 captured the majority of votes. But then again, 2016 should have been a mulligan.

    I argue for the rule of law, not for either party.
    Is the law good and just simply because it's the law?

    And the even more important question, would your answer differ with a fully Republican run government with no liberal laws you disagree with?

    And the most important question, did you simply say "no" to the last question because you didn't want to look hypocritical, and not because "no" is the real answer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    But like...is this actually happening? Or are people just talking about how it could happen. I've seen little to no evidence that this is actually happening.



    ...ok? Just look at Republicans that win primaries and go on to win their seats in Republican strongholds. Same exact thing, the primary victor in a safe state/district is going to win their race.

    I'm not sure this is even any kind of "secret", closed or open. This is simply how the primary process works and how general elections in safe states/districts play out.
    I can't help you with your sustained skepticism. You can keep it for all I care. I know of people that explained to me their choice to register as a Democrat to have at least a little input on who's governing them: whichever Democrat wins the primary wins the election. I don't know if such people have been polled, or whether there would be any interest in conducting such a poll. The reasoning they gave was entirely rational, as far as impact on a political process locked behind a closed primary, and I accepted it.

    I don't know if Democrats do the same thing in heavily Republican districts or cities. I can tell you one thing: if I knew and trusted people of that affiliation in the area and they said it was common among their friends and relations, I'd accept it with the explanation. See also

    But see also,
    Bruce Teitelbaum of the Upper West Side was a Republican until late last year. But a fear that he’d be voiceless in choosing the next mayor drove him to become a Democrat.

    “We’re tired of being presented with choices that don’t really reflect what most folks in New York are looking for,” said Teitlebaum. “What you got is a city that is overwhelmingly Democratic so the general election doesn’t really count for anything. Mayor and citywide elected officials are really chosen in the primary.”

    Teitelbaum is among the organizers of an upstart volunteer-run group, New Yorkers United for Change, that’s vying to shake up the political system.

    The group is currently urging some of the 1.6 million New York City voters who are registered as Republicans, unaffiliated or with a third party to sign up as Democrats ahead of a Feb. 14 party-switch deadline.

    The goal: to cultivate a voting bloc that seeks tougher stances on policing, budgeting and other top issues in the coming citywide elections — and can help a moderate mayoral candidate win the June 22 Democratic primary.

    Teitlebaum is not alone in his thinking.

    With city Democratic politics moving to the left under influence from groups like Democratic Socialists of America and the Republican ballot line tarnished by the Trump administration’s chaotic end, the stakes — and opportunity — are high for more conservative players seeking to influence the election.

    A political committee started by a Manhattan investor has spent $1.5 million so far to get other voters to switch to the Democratic Party. Even John Catsimatidis, a longtime Republican whose daughter chairs the Manhattan GOP, is considering running for mayor as a Democrat.
    https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/1/21/22...primary-switch

    Big Apple Republican and independent voters are getting unsolicited letters and text messages urging them to re-enroll as Democrats in order to vote in the party’s June primary for mayor — the race that will likely determine the next mayor.

    “Many New Yorkers do not realize that the election almost certain to choose the next Mayor is not the November 2021 General Election, but the June 2021 Democratic primary. Why? Almost 70% of NYC voters are registered Democrats, meaning that whoever wins the Democratic primary will almost certainly become the city’s next mayor,” said a letter from the group, called Be Counted NYC, that was sent to Lou Puliafito, an Upper East Side doorman and recent Republican candidate for state Assembly.

    “But, if you are registered with another political party or not registered with a party you are allowed to update your registration to enroll as a Democrat so that you can vote in this election, but you MUST do so before February 14, 2021,” it continued.

    “In 2013, about 3% of New Yorkers voted in the Democratic primary and chose New York City’s mayor for the next 8 years. In a democracy, we are all supposed to have a vote in who leads our government. Will YOU enroll as a Democrat by February 14, 2021 to make sure you can vote in the election that will determine the future of New York City?”
    https://nypost.com/2021/01/17/nyc-re...yoral-primary/

    Just quick examples from this voting season's particularities. De Blasio, if winning the primary, is expected to win the election. So non-Democrats and groups oriented around them are once again reminding voters that they have to register Democrat to have a voice in their city's management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Just quick examples
    Those are specific, relevant examples. Thank you for supplying them.

    So how's that Constitution search going? You'd think such a document would be easier to find than these articles.

  15. #7715
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I can't help you with your sustained skepticism.
    It's not "skepticism", you made a claim I'm just wondering if there's anything actually backing it up. Because it's a pretty vague, nebulous claim that doesn't even apply to most major cities.

    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I know of people that explained to me their choice to register as a Democrat to have at least a little input on who's governing them: whichever Democrat wins the primary wins the election.
    Again, literally the same applies to Republicans so I don't know why you're singling Democrats out here.

    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Which is more of a problem of them being upset that their preferred political party isn't popular there rather than anything else. They get a choice, but since they're a minority of voters they lose. That's how Democracy works.

    And this is Republicans encouraging other Republicans to pretend to be Democrats to influence an election. Not any evidence of this actually happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    De Blasio, if winning the primary, is expected to win the election. So non-Democrats and groups oriented around them are once again reminding voters that they have to register Democrat to have a voice in their city's management.
    Not at all and again, this isn't a "Democrat" or "big city" problem. This is how safe elections work literally all over the country.

  16. #7716
    Same bs under Obama.

    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

    Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I'm still furious we don't have taco trucks on every corner. Biden needs to get on delivering on that threat from Republicans, I don't have a single decent taco spot near me. Just a garbage Taco Bell. It's really a travesty.
    That was one of the saddest things moving from California to Washington: the lack of good Mexican restaurants. All the best Mexican food here is from food trucks, which is okay, but it's still a limited variety.

    The sheer amount of Thai food options here has been a joy, though.

    Back on topic, though, the sooner we move to a ranked choice voting system, the better. At least for everything except the presidency; for that we can just use the NPVIC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Same bs under Obama.
    Do pre-existing conditions cover sick burns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Same bs under Obama.
    Biden already gave a flaccid response... ‘we were able to get things done when he did this to Obama, we can do it again’... no ‘Trump 2024’ to continue the comparison.
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