Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

So yeah, the market is telling the employers that you should raise your wage.

Unfortunately, the employers themselves will violently disagree. But I can't wait to hear them say "We can't compete with welfare"

[Paranoid Android]

$1000 a week is $52,000 a year/$25 an hour. That is significantly above minimum wage.

Didn't you read 'for arguments sake' before my example?

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Unfortunately, the employers themselves will violently disagree. But I can't wait to hear them say "We can't compete with welfare"

Well they only cry 'free market' when they can manipulate it.

[uuuhname]

I never said they had to. I said there is a reason they are currently. Just because someone does not come out 100% supporting your view does not mean the 100% oppose your view. You are doing what you accuse others of doing.

no, what you're doing is this disingenuous shuffle where you dance around the actual argument being made (critiquing the validity of "small government"/local version of the law), so you can distract us with your bigotry. well done, mission accomplished, you did it.

you can't argue against the statement that "small government" is oxymoronic and like a fool I gave you an out to focus on instead.

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heck, I'd rather argue about how republicans are suddenly against upgrading our infrastructure now that a democrat is in office but I guess that's too boring.

[Bodakane]

The impacts of every law are individual in nature.

There's no law made of the individual. There's no law period without a group.

Once again, individual"s" = group.

[Endus]

It is not scientifically incorrect. Sex is hard coded in one's DNA, gender is a social construct. They are not the same thing. And I am not arguing for or against either view on transgender participation in this discussion.

That you consider them equal "views" is, in fact, arguing in favor of the validity of transphobic bigotry.

Define transgender female.

Asking questions like this also demonstrates that you're pushing a bigoted agenda.

[Logwyn]

Unfortunately, the employers themselves will violently disagree. But I can't wait to hear them say "We can't compete with welfare"

Already being done in the US where I live at least. The restaurants and fast food places have had signs up "Now Hiring" for a couple of weeks if not three now. People are complaining that restaurants are slow and taking too long to serve meals. I honestly have not seen any of that first-hand things seem to be running like they have for the past year or so.

Their reasoning is that people are not going back to work due to unemployment plus the extra covid supplement being more than they would make if they went back to work. Not sure that is what is really happening.

[Theodarzna]

Already being done in the US where I live at least. The restaurants and fast food places have had signs up "Now Hiring" for a couple of weeks if not three now. People are complaining that restaurants are slow and taking too long to serve meals. I honestly have not seen any of that first-hand things seem to be running like they have for the past year or so.

Their reasoning is that people are not going back to work due to unemployment plus the extra covid supplement being more than they would make if they went back to work. Not sure that is what is really happening.

My bet is a lot of the "Now Hiring" is smoke and mirrors. They are hiring but looking for that 20 years old, 20 years experience, as a concerted push to simply get rid of the unemployment benefits and any stimulus for fear, absolute mortal dread that they might have to raise wages. There are a lot of Wanted Ads, but the sincerity of the seeking of applicants? Who knows.

[draynay]

As lovely as this all is, I don’t quite understand how the rights of trans people pertains to the overall thread.

Its derailing and forbidden topics, the Kellhound twofer.

[Theodarzna]

Oh we could pay line grunts the wage we pay techs, but then we have to pay our techs like engineers, and bump our engineer salaries. We DO train our employees. Even after training they STILL can't follow simple written instructions. At some point the cost of retaining and training grunts exceeds the cost of automating those jobs or becomes so expensive it makes more sense to ship production overseas.

As a serious question, would ANY employer admit to just trying to pay people as little as possible and hoping for any legislative or legal advantage in assuring as cheap a labor source as possible?

[Zan15]

$1000 a week is $52,000 a year/$25 an hour. That is significantly above minimum wage.

do your realize how much money you need to make to qualify for 1000 a week unemployment, besides the fact only one state even gives out 1000+ and you have to have a gaggle of dependents.

If you include the 300 then just a handful.


In the highest state, MA you have to make $42.79 an hour to get 855.00 + 300.

at 52k you only get 500 + 300 = 800 which is 20 dollars an hour. Oh look it did not even cover your lost wages.

take away the 300 and you end up paying them 12.50 an hour.

Min wage in MA is $13.50 per hour

So unemployment IS below min wage.

i can do more states if you want?

In SC if you earn 52k a year you will get $ 326 WEEKLY BENEFITS AMOUNT. That's 8.15. Min Wage in SC is 7.25. So they get less than 32.6% of their salary but heyyyyyyyyyyy at least its more than "min wage" !!

[DarkTZeratul]

do your realize how much money you need to make to qualify for 1000 a week unemployment, besides the fact only one state even gives out 1000+ and you have to have a gaggle of dependents.

In California, unemployment is 50% of your previous wages for six months, and caps out at $450 per week. That's actually LESS than 40 hours a week at minimum wage.

[Elegiac]

do your realize how much money you need to make to qualify for 1000 a week unemployment, besides the fact only one state even gives out 1000+ and you have to have a gaggle of dependents.

If you include the 300 then just a handful.


In the highest state, MA you have to make $42.79 an hour to get 855.00 + 300.

at 52k you only get 500 + 300 = 800 which is 20 dollars an hour. Oh look it did not even cover your lost wages.

take away the 300 and you end up paying them 12.50 an hour.

Min wage in MA is $13.50 per hour

So unemployment IS below min wage.

i can do more states if you want?

In SC if you earn 52k a year you will get $ 326 WEEKLY BENEFITS AMOUNT. That's 8.15. Min Wage in SC is 7.25. So they get less than 32.6% of their salary but heyyyyyyyyyyy at least its more than "min wage" !!

You’re also required to demonstrate you are looking for work in order to receive unemployment.

This is entirely a function of the market telling employers wages are too low. I’m also willing to bet the clowns posting “nobody wants to work anymore “ didn’t bat an eyelid before applying for small business relief.

“Socialism for me but not for thee” - Republicans.

[D Luniz]

So this morning on Meet the Press, I just watched Sen Bill Cassidy use "Trickle Down" as a negative, and accuse Biden of it.....

and he's be put up as a "sane" republican

[Santti]

So this morning on Meet the Press, I just watched Sen Bill Cassidy use "Trickle Down" as a negative, and accuse Biden of it.....

and he's be put up as a "sane" republican

An interesting twist on the whole "accuse others of doing what you are doing".

[Zan15]

You’re also required to demonstrate you are looking for work in order to receive unemployment.

This is entirely a function of the market telling employers wages are too low. I’m also willing to bet the clowns posting “nobody wants to work anymore “ didn’t bat an eyelid before applying for small business relief.

“Socialism for me but not for thee” - Republicans.

well right now it depends on the state, a lot of them have waved this requirement.

That should have been the first move instead of just taking back the money.


Good for the states that are stopping the payments. I hope the Administration just moves that money to fund additional weeks for the states that keep the extra payments.

I would bet anything those states will try to keep the extra payments they are getting from the feds without actually paying it out.

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In California, unemployment is 50% of your previous wages for six months, and caps out at $450 per week. That's actually LESS than 40 hours a week at minimum wage.

Yup, in most states its either lower or close to min wage.

Once you also calculate in the loss of benefits such as insurance, retirement, life insurance, additional contributions to SS, etc etc its even worse.

Another example on how democrats don't sell unemployment the right way.

[Edge-]

https://www.axios.com/uber-lyft-free...39f604fb8.html

Eyyy, free uber/lyft rides to vaccines and the government isn't even going to pay for them.

Apparently they're just sharing the location data for all the vaccination sites which is fine, that's all public information as far as I can tell anyways. Anything that we can do to get idiots their first/second shots and make it easier for them is good.

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https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...00/5040646001/

It's weird seeing Republican governors self-sabotage recovery efforts by opting out of supplemental federal unemployment insurance. It's like medicaid expansion, the federal government can offer it but they can't force Republican governors to accept it to help their own constituents.

[Draco-Onis]

So this morning on Meet the Press, I just watched Sen Bill Cassidy use "Trickle Down" as a negative, and accuse Biden of it.....

and he's be put up as a "sane" republican

When the people in his party are talking about Jewish space lasers, invisible bamboo from China calling black people buckwheat and talking about how good slaves had it, you can look pretty sane.

[Zan15]

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https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...00/5040646001/

It's weird seeing Republican governors self-sabotage recovery efforts by opting out of supplemental federal unemployment insurance. It's like medicaid expansion, the federal government can offer it but they can't force Republican governors to accept it to help their own constituents.

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_tn.htm#00-0000

i can see why they caved to businesses, with average wages around 9 dollars...... vs the 14.50 unemployment was paying


Have to get the republican masses back to slave wages!!

252,000 workers in restaurants and fast food in TN

$9.80 Median wage
$11.09 Mean wage

Unemployment 14.50, or is it???


That's 392 a week = $ 188 WEEKLY BENEFITS AMOUNT + 300 = 488. $12.20
or
443.60 =203 + 300 = 503 = 12.575

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/c...wind-farm.html

Eyyyy, we're moving ahead with some offshore windfarms! I'll take some of these over on the west coast too.

[D Luniz]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/c...wind-farm.html

Eyyyy, we're moving ahead with some offshore windfarms! I'll take some of these over on the west coast too.

I think the wind turbines have to be built into the seafloor, so since the continental shelf ends to much closer to shore on the west coast then the east coast, that prevents the ability to build wind farms