Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

It's becoming clearer and clearer that the GOP will be the party of "don't let the government function properly while the Democrats are in charge". McConnell's toxic stagnation continues to permeate throughout the GOP.

Why is why I want Biden and Democrats to stop negotiating/compromising. Biden just knocked $35B off the $100B he'd earmarked for broadband in his infrastructure proposal. The Republican response? IT'S STILL TOO MUCH! BUT YOU ARE SUPPORTING MUNICIPAL BROADBAND AND NOT JUST PRIVATE COMPANIES!

I've been saying this from when Biden was elected, and the past 5 months have repeatedly reinforced this view: Until the Republican party begins acting in good faith as a functional political party capable of governance, they should be loudly and repeatedly ignored. If they want a seat at the bargaining table the chair is always open, they just need to stop throwing temper tantrums long enough to sit their asses down.

And there's no hope - even Cheney came out just today and downplayed the voting changes the GOP is driving.

The weird mentality of, "Oh, she's not fully on the Trump train so she's totes not a shitty Republican!" never made sense to me to begin with. She's at least willing to talk, but she remains a shitty Republican who holds almost all their other "values", including vote suppression, in high regard. She just won't follow them with Trump, that's about it.

[Draco-Onis]

The weird mentality of, "Oh, she's not fully on the Trump train so she's totes not a shitty Republican!" never made sense to me to begin with. She's at least willing to talk, but she remains a shitty Republican who holds almost all their other "values", including vote suppression, in high regard. She just won't follow them with Trump, that's about it.

Republicans like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney are the reason we are where we are today, at every junction they refused to speak out or went along with the crazies. The fact that the monster they created is now turning against them is simply poetic justice. They don't deserve any praise or support they are still the same scumbags that created the monster.

[Edge-]

Republicans like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney are the reason we are where we are today, at every junction they refused to speak out or went along with the crazies. The fact that the monster they created is now turning against them is simply poetic justice. They don't deserve any praise or support they are still the same scumbags that created the monster.

Romney spoke out...and then had dinner with him when he thought he might get a cabinet position...then went back to speaking out.

It's two different awful things - Trumpism, which is objectively worse, and the gross depths of intellectual vacuity that the Republican party has become separate from Trumpism over the past few decades. Romney and Cheney are the latter.

[postman1782]

Biden is at FEMA receiving a hurricane briefing even as we speak.

I predict a 10% chance of Sharpies, tops.

How much federal aid, do you think Biden will try to keep from those states that hate him, like Trump did with Puerto Rico? I am going to go with none.

[Draco-Onis]

Romney spoke out...and then had dinner with him when he thought he might get a cabinet position...then went back to speaking out.

It's two different awful things - Trumpism, which is objectively worse, and the gross depths of intellectual vacuity that the Republican party has become separate from Trumpism over the past few decades. Romney and Cheney are the latter.

I am talking about the road to Trump, this goes way back decades the inflection point in my opinion was the tea party movement. The establishment went along for the ride they wanted to use the crazy to their advantage. Trumpism is the effect of the republican party spending time programming their voters to discard reality and only believe propaganda.

[Endus]

Why is why I want Biden and Democrats to stop negotiating/compromising. Biden just knocked $35B off the $100B he'd earmarked for broadband in his infrastructure proposal. The Republican response? IT'S STILL TOO MUCH! BUT YOU ARE SUPPORTING MUNICIPAL BROADBAND AND NOT JUST PRIVATE COMPANIES!

Seriously, if Republicans will not work with Democrats in good faith, then "achieving nothing" is a better outcome than "letting Republicans dictate terms".

It would be better if no real new legislation can be passed because of Republican opposition in the Senate, than for Democrats to sell their souls continously seeking votes from bad-faith agents seeking to demolish democracy itself.

Fuck 'em. Every last one. Even the supposed "good ones" like Cheney. We can revisit that when they stop fucking around. Which none of them have, at this point. They're just trying to save face, but not actually do anything.

[Draco-Onis]

The generally accepted inflection point was Gingrich. If not for him the Tea Party wouldn’t have risen.

Perhaps but tea party bought it to the main stream when you had birtherism, Michelle Bachman and you had politicians openly floating conspiracy theories. It's sad that now looking back those crazies look tame compare to today but the establishment could have stood up against it but they rode the wave.

[Edge-]

Perhaps but tea party bought it to the main stream when you had birtherism, Michelle Bachman and you had politicians openly floating conspiracy theories. It's sad that now looking back those crazies look tame compare to today but the establishment could have stood up against it but they rode the wave.

We can date it back to Nixon/Agnew if we want (especially Agnew), and propelled to new and exciting heights thanks to the Reagan-era. But Gingrich supercharged it when he figured out you could weaponize CSPAN, and the Republican inability to control their extremist elements led to the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus gaining considerable influence in the party.

It's really been a half of a century of spectacularly failed political leadership within the Republican party. Democrats may love FDR or Clinton or Obama or whatever, but the cultish devotion to the likes of Reagan or Trump alongside the a-historically breathless praise of being the "party of Lincoln" really shows how absolutely deadbrained the party is. I mean shit, they brag about being the "party of Lincoln" while their followers are unironically out there waving the Confederate Flag (well, one of them) and cheering. Apparently unaware of any contradiction in this behavior.

NEEDLESS TO SAY I desperately wish Biden would stop pre-emptively compromising, and that he and Democrats writ-large do everything possible to bypass Republicans whenever they can. At least until Republicans are willing to come to the table and function as a political party capable of governance.

[Ivanstone]

The generally accepted inflection point was Gingrich. If not for him the Tea Party wouldn’t have risen.

Gingrich was pretty bad and he definitely made politics more theatrical. Roger Aisles is probably the bigger bad guy here though. He was the one who helped Nixon’s capture of social conservatives and he understood how to manipulate TV better.

The Tea Party would’ve risen without either though. The ultimate point of the Tea Party was to game the 2010 elections to take over districting for the next decade.

[Draco-Onis]

We can date it back to Nixon/Agnew if we want (especially Agnew), and propelled to new and exciting heights thanks to the Reagan-era. But Gingrich supercharged it when he figured out you could weaponize CSPAN, and the Republican inability to control their extremist elements led to the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus gaining considerable influence in the party.

It's really been a half of a century of spectacularly failed political leadership within the Republican party. Democrats may love FDR or Clinton or Obama or whatever, but the cultish devotion to the likes of Reagan or Trump alongside the a-historically breathless praise of being the "party of Lincoln" really shows how absolutely deadbrained the party is. I mean shit, they brag about being the "party of Lincoln" while their followers are unironically out there waving the Confederate Flag (well, one of them) and cheering. Apparently unaware of any contradiction in this behavior.

NEEDLESS TO SAY I desperately wish Biden would stop pre-emptively compromising, and that he and Democrats writ-large do everything possible to bypass Republicans whenever they can. At least until Republicans are willing to come to the table and function as a political party capable of governance.

I don't think it's in Biden's nature not to mention Sinema and to a much greater degree Joe Manchin would never go along with it. Unless democrats win two more seats which is a big lift considering Jim Crow 2.0 laws and the map I don't see much changing.

[bladeXcrasher]

NEEDLESS TO SAY I desperately wish Biden would stop pre-emptively compromising, and that he and Democrats writ-large do everything possible to bypass Republicans whenever they can. At least until Republicans are willing to come to the table and function as a political party capable of governance.

Republicans won't ever be willing to come to the table. You cut cancer out to get rid of it, the same needs to be done with Republicans and IMO, ALL conservatives since they all have this perverse view of Gov't.

[Fugus]

Bypass when forced because you can’t do everything that way. The biggest reason they’re negotiating is because they want to get more done. We’ve seen when push comes to shove they just do though.

And the Republicans have prove over the past 12 years they will gladly damage this nation for their own gain.

Negotiations with someone working to a common goal in good faith is decent. Negotiations with current Republicans is trying to find a common goal with someone who has no goal other than their own power and influence and don’t care the long term impact of the nation and would gladly burn it down so long as it burns under their power because they will either be dead or have enough money that they can flee the fallout like Cruz from a Texas blizzard, except they won’t be shamed into coming back at that point because they won’t be the ones in office when that check comes down or so they hope.

[Zan15]

How much federal aid, do you think Biden will try to keep from those states that hate him, like Trump did with Puerto Rico? I am going to go with none.

He doesn't have to apparently they are so stupid they are refusing federal aid. Their latest salvo, stop giving the 300 dollar unemployment payments that are 100% funded by the feds. Nice way to chop all that revenue from your state.

[postman1782]

He doesn't have to apparently they are so stupid they are refusing federal aid. Their latest salvo, stop giving the 300 dollar unemployment payments that are 100% funded by the feds. Nice way to chop all that revenue from your state.

Oh, yeah, but I GUARANTEE that if a Category 4 or 5 hurricane hits the gulf coast, they will be right there asking for anything they can get. Minus the paper towels being thrown at their faces, and millions of dollars worth of goods and whatnot being ruined sitting in ports because they don't have trucks to transport them.

[Edge-]

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...biden-77903231

Shit, I knew Republicans were blaming Biden about the gas prices, which he has nothing to do with, but I didn't know they were also blaming him for lumber prices.

I'd love to ask these stupid fucks what policies specifically caused the increases, rather than like, you know, basic supply/demand 101. I hate that we have Republican officials and elected leaders that apparently never got through highschool economics courses.

[Masark]

Shit, I knew Republicans were blaming Biden about the gas prices, which he has nothing to do with, but I didn't know they were also blaming him for lumber prices.

I'd love to ask these stupid fucks what policies specifically caused the increases, rather than like, you know, basic supply/demand 101. I hate that we have Republican officials and elected leaders that apparently never got through highschool economics courses.

Well, he did just throw more tariffs on Canadian lumber, so he's definitely partially at fault.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7884539/c...ariffs-latest/

But most of the issue is supply and demand, specifically a lack of the former, due to COVID-induced mill shutdowns.

[Edge-]

Well, he did just throw more tariffs on Canadian lumber, so he's definitely partially at fault.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7884539/c...ariffs-latest/

But most of the issue is supply and demand, specifically a lack of the former, due to COVID-induced mill shutdowns.

Yeah, mostly the latter because those are just proposed tariffs that haven't been approved/enacted yet.

[Zan15]

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wire...biden-77903231

Shit, I knew Republicans were blaming Biden about the gas prices, which he has nothing to do with, but I didn't know they were also blaming him for lumber prices.

I'd love to ask these stupid fucks what policies specifically caused the increases, rather than like, you know, basic supply/demand 101. I hate that we have Republican officials and elected leaders that apparently never got through highschool economics courses.

sigh these people forget 2018 and 2019.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...TE_NUS_DPG&f=W

5/24/21 - 3.020

05/27/19 2.822

05/28/18 2.962


they want to brag about the 2.00 it was in 2020....oh i don't know...with 80% less vehicles running and the economy of the world grinding to a halt.

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Well, he did just throw more tariffs on Canadian lumber, so he's definitely partially at fault.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7884539/c...ariffs-latest/

But most of the issue is supply and demand, specifically a lack of the former, due to COVID-induced mill shutdowns.

its actual a multi year problem because of a depression in lumber prices and production over the past decade.

[Breccia]

So while Trump was in office, he used federal, taxpayer funds to prove that COVID was man-made in a Chinese lab. Because nothing is more Trump than waddling headfirst into the most ridiculous conspiracy theories on the planet.

"Wrong thread."

No no, Biden ordered the QInvestigation shut down as soon as he found out about it. Because nothing says Biden like "boringly doing the job of keeping America running on rules and logic".

[gondrin]

They know it has nothing to do with Biden, its just another way for them to blame him for something, so that the base has more reasons to be angry at the current admin.

To be fair, people tend to blame/give praise to any president that is in office over gas prices, stock market and the like when they generally don't have much to do with it. Regardless if they try to take credit or not.