1. #8201
    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    Pretty sure we know he is a dishonest actor already.
    Well, if he continues, take it to the thread I made for it.

    Either it can continue there with no more derailing this or he refuses to and hopefully people either stop or Rozz comes in and puts down the hammer.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

  2. #8202
    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    20 pages of arguing the same point repeatedly to one person.
    Yup, it turned into a Machismo side show. Right now, I just skip pages at a time, hoping for something worth reading.

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    The first 100 days of Biden were also the first 100 without Trump – that’s telling
    By almost any measure, Joe Biden’s first 100 days have been hugely successful. Getting millions of Americans inoculated against Covid-19 and beginning to revive the economy are central to that success.

    Two-thirds of Americans support Biden’s $1.9tn stimulus plan, already enacted. His infrastructure and family plans, which he outlined on Wednesday night at a joint session of Congress, also have broad backing. The $6tn price tag for all this would make it the largest expansion of the federal government since Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. But for most Americans, it doesn’t feel radical.

    Rather than bet it all on a single large-scale program such as universal healthcare – which Bill Clinton failed to accomplish and which Barack Obama turned into a target of Republican fearmongering – Biden has picked an array of popular initiatives, such as preschool, public community college, paid family and medical leave, home care and infrastructure repairs, which are harder to vilify.

    Economists talk about pent-up demand for private consumer goods, caused by the pandemic. Biden is responding to a pent-up demand for public goods. The demand has been there for years but the pandemic has starkly revealed it. Compared with workers in other developed nations, Americans enjoy few if any social benefits and safety nets. Biden is saying, in effect, it’s time we caught up.

    Besides, it’s hard for Republicans to paint Biden as a radical. He doesn’t feel scary. He’s old, grandfatherly. He speaks haltingly. He’s humble. When he talks about the needs of average working people, it’s clear he knows them.

    Biden has also been helped by the contrast to his immediate predecessor – the most divisive and authoritarian personality to occupy the Oval Office in modern memory. Had Biden been elected directly after Obama, regardless of the pandemic and economic crisis, it’s unlikely he and his ambitious plans would seem so benign.

    In his address to Congress, Biden credited others for the achievements of his first 100 days. They had been accomplished “because of you”, he said, even giving a nod to Republicans. His predecessor was incapable of crediting anyone else for anything.

    Meanwhile, the Republican party, still captive to its Trumpian base, has no message or policies to counter Biden’s proposals. Donald Trump left it with little more than a list of grievances irrelevant to the practical needs of most Americans: that Trump would have been re-elected but for fraudulent votes and a “deep state” conspiracy, that Democrats are “socialists” and that the “left” is intent on taking away American freedoms.

    Biden has a razor-thin majority in Congress and must keep every Democratic senator in line if he is to get his plans enacted. But the vacuum on the right has allowed him to dominate the public conversation about his initiatives, which makes passage more likely.

    Trump is aiding Biden in other ways. Trump’s yawning budget deficits help normalize Biden’s. When Trump sent $1,200 stimulus checks to most Americans last year regardless of whether they had a job, he cleared the way for Biden to deliver generous jobless benefits.

    Trump’s giant $1.9tn tax cut for big corporations and the wealthy, none of which “trickled down”, make Biden’s proposals to increase taxes on corporations and the wealthy to pay for infrastructure and education seem even more reasonable.

    Trump’s fierce economic nationalism has made Biden’s “buy American” initiative appear innocent by comparison. Trump’s angry populism has allowed Biden to criticize Wall Street and support unions without causing a ripple.

    At the same time, Trumpian lawmakers’ refusal to concede the election and their efforts to suppress votes have alienated much of corporate America, pushing executives toward Biden by default.

    Even on the fraught issue of race, the contrast with Trump has strengthened Biden’s hand. Most Americans were so repulsed by Trump’s overt racism and overtures to white supremacists, especially after the police murder of George Floyd, that Biden’s initiatives to end police brutality and “root out systemic racism”, as he said on Wednesday night, seem appropriate correctives.

    The first 100 days of the Biden presidency were also the first 100 days of America without Trump, and the two cannot be separated.

    With any luck, Biden’s plans might prove to be the antidote to Trumpism – creating enough decent-paying working-class jobs, along with benefits such as childcare and free community college, as to forestall some of the rightwing dyspepsia that Trump whipped into a fury.
    I guess, in short, Trump was such a monumental fuck up and awful human being that anything Biden does is much more accepted by default. Helps that what Biden is doing is actually good for the country/people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The majority didn't want Clinton elected either time he won as well.
    Majority of land isn’t the same as people
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    Black people in america should be happy their ancestors where slaves so they could have a good live.
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    Black women are racist. Im the one trying to make her[my wife] behave like white people and not say it out loud.
    Totally not racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Yup, it turned into a Machismo side show. Right now, I just skip pages at a time, hoping for something worth reading.

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    The first 100 days of Biden were also the first 100 without Trump – that’s telling

    I guess, in short, Trump was such a monumental fuck up and awful human being that anything Biden does is much more accepted by default. Helps that what Biden is doing is actually good for the country/people.
    Could the two points be related?

    Has four years of combating Trump/Putin shitposters simply broken other shitposters? With no Trump outrages ... all other posts become a chance to tell someone you simply disagree with them (x20)?

    Anyways I had my luaghs, coffee break is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Could the two points be related?

    Has four years of combating Trump/Putin shitposters simply broken other shitposters? With no Trump outrages ... all other posts become a chance to tell someone you simply disagree with them (x20)?

    Anyways I had my luaghs, coffee break is over.

    #EveryoneISInACultbutME
    #EveryoneCRiesWuLFbutME
    Come to think of it, beyond that one burner account calling Biden a “senile old man making the US the laughing stock of the world” or some such nonsense, the usual trumpsters haven’t had a single consequential thing to say about Biden. Unless they’ve been ranting and raving about him in the gun thread, because that’s the only place they seem to show their faces anymore and I don’t touch that cesspit of a thread.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Come to think of it, beyond that one burner account calling Biden a “senile old man making the US the laughing stock of the world” or some such nonsense, the usual trumpsters haven’t had a single consequential thing to say about Biden. Unless they’ve been ranting and raving about him in the gun thread, because that’s the only place they seem to show their faces anymore and I don’t touch that cesspit of a thread.
    Thats a good point.

    Since our Trump/Putin bots are absent. People cultivating their post counts have to fixate on other targets?

    Some smart person tagged a group of those Trump bots as the "Three Woke Stooges". What would be a good tag for this new bunch?
    /s

    Anyways, back to this triweekly 'production meeting'. Which is the paid version of 12 people dogpiling me for being incorrect.

  7. #8207
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The majority didn't want Clinton elected either time he won as well.
    3.5M more voted for Clinton, so you are wrong as usual.

  8. #8208
    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    3.5M more voted for Clinton, so you are wrong as usual.
    That's something called a plurality not a majority. Clinton was unable to win a majority of the vote in either of his elections. He came close in 1996 though.
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  9. #8209
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    That's something called a plurality not a majority. Clinton was unable to win a majority of the vote in either of his elections. He came close in 1996 though.
    Except it's an irrelevant point arguing over a minority of the vote. The US allows the victor to win with a plurality, not just a majority, so when there were "stronger" third parties/third party options you may end up with the president getting a plurality, rather than a majority of votes. But it doesn't matter to the argument in the slightest.

    It's semantical nonsense, nothing more. There's no actual point to be made there outside of quibbling over majority/plurality in a topic where the difference is largely immaterial.

  10. #8210
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The majority didn't want Clinton elected either time he won as well.
    wait what?

    maybe majority has a different meaning here?
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  11. #8211
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    wait what?

    maybe majority has a different meaning here?
    He's talking about the elections in the 90's - Clinton had 43% in 92 and 49% in 96. Ross Perot took 18/8% of the vote respectively.

    Semantic nonsense, mostly.

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    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bide...ry?id=77461970

    Eyyyyy, an administration that's actually working to reunite kids with their families after the Trump administration and ICE gestapo fuckin kidnapped them. It's only a few, and it's slow work (as we've seen with the difficulties the ACLU and other organizations originally spearheading these efforts) but it's an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The majority didn't want Clinton elected either time he won as well.
    Odd. When I look at the results he had the majority of the votes.
    I have a fan. Seems he was permabanned.
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  13. #8213
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Odd. When I look at the results he had the majority of the votes.
    Plurality*

    Majority is anything over 50%, Clinton was in the 40% range both times due to there being a third party candidate pulling votes from both him and Bush Sr. and Bob Dole.

  14. #8214
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    That's something called a plurality not a majority. Clinton was unable to win a majority of the vote in either of his elections. He came close in 1996 though.
    You know this is irrelevant and yet still posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Plurality*

    Majority is anything over 50%, Clinton was in the 40% range both times due to there being a third party candidate pulling votes from both him and Bush Sr. and Bob Dole.
    It was studies and shiw that Perot didn't pull votes from Bush nor Clinton, or it was an equal amount. Basically Perot got people to show up that weren't going to vote. He really was a non factor, despite getting, what was it 11%. Those voters were either not voting or would have been evenly split.

  15. #8215
    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    It was studies and shiw that Perot didn't pull votes from Bush nor Clinton, or it was an equal amount. Basically Perot got people to show up that weren't going to vote. He really was a non factor, despite getting, what was it 11%. Those voters were either not voting or would have been evenly split.
    Which would have still put Clinton as the winner in either situation and given him a majority of the total votes. Which is why this whole semantics game is so god-damned pointless.

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    Just sayin, but a year ago...

    • There was a major primary candidate that that purposely blurred the definitions of what a plurality is.
    • They pushed the nonsense that having a plurality of the votes before Super Tuesday entitled them to the nomination.
    • Denying their plurality of 3% of primary voters was a "sign of a rigging".


    Did this source of bad information have a lasting effect on people?

  17. #8217
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Did this source of bad information have a lasting effect on people?
    Dude we get it, you don't like Sanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Dude we get it, you don't like Sanders.
    I didn't mention the name Sanders.

    But I get it, you're obsessed with me.

    Though if you assumed it was about Sanders without naming him. You proved my point.


    Oh well, had a few laughs. Lunch is over.

  19. #8219
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I didn't mention the name Sanders.

    But I get it, you're obsessed with me.

    Though if you assumed it was about Sanders without naming him. You proved my point.


    Oh well, had a few laughs. Lunch is over.
    Considering you're been endlessly whining about him, it's fitting. Did you mean someone else? Don't play coy, just say who you mean.

    This ain't about you really. Well, it sorta is, mostly just how you love to pointlessly slam Sanders at random times for no reason other than I guess it's a nice endorphin rush or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Plurality*

    Majority is anything over 50%, Clinton was in the 40% range both times due to there being a third party candidate pulling votes from both him and Bush Sr. and Bob Dole.
    ma·jor·i·ty



    1.

    the greater number.
    "in the majority of cases all will go smoothly"


    Clinton had more votes than anyone else. He had the majority.

    I'm not saying your wrong, but that is the definition I am using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I didn't mention the name Sanders.

    But I get it, you're obsessed with me.

    Though if you assumed it was about Sanders without naming him. You proved my point.


    Oh well, had a few laughs. Lunch is over.
    You take every opportunity to show your BDS, now you want to try and play innocent? lmfao.
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