Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.
Based on your post history you know about as much as you do about the basics of the US construction as you do about the feasibility and math behind faster than light travel or nuclear engineering. Aka next to 0.
Agree with his opinions or not, I'd swap him for someone like you in a heart beat because at least there'd be some assurance he'd take the time to be minimally informed unlike yourself. I mean this post is demonstration enough when you compare it to his. You should probably be embarrassed a Canadian has a better understanding of the US constitution and government than you do. But you wont be.
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They have been used. Without Manchin the recent COVID stimulus never would have passed as it saw 100% Republican opposition. I'd go on but honestly, I feel it's a wasted effort. Unfortunately due to the nature of the senate, something folks like yourself don't seem to understand, is with such a slim non-majority you can't use your numbers on much even if everyone is in perfect agreement outside of reconciliation and certain appointments. But even the temporary blocking of Republican fucker is massively useful or do you prefer McConnel packing another few dozen life time federal judges which he can't do in part because of the two pseudo Dems that would almost assuredly be replaced by someone who'd vote Republican 100% of the time? That feature alone is worth a lot in the short term.
So thus far your entire rant has fallen flat on its face at the first hurdle. And again at the second. And things aren't looking good for the 3rd hurdle. We haven't even discussed cabinet or judge appointments that Biden can now make. The reality of the world we live in directly conflicts with your assertions. And resources are being spent to flip vulnerable seats. Unless you're dense enough to think that you can't try and persuade Manchin in the mean time while you prepare to try and flip seats to generate a larger majority which is happening. I'd argue that pissing yourself until 2023 and making zero effort to flip Manchin on any issue and only focusing on policy that would take effect in 2023, or potentially later because you seem to forget Dems can lose the senate in 2022, is a worse idea than putting some effort into flipping Manchin to get some things in the mean time and also try to win more seats in 2022.
Even if you want to hand waive away everything I said even you have to admit that Manchin essentially holding right wing policies back, while advancing some minor left wing policies back, is 100% objectively better than zero left wing policies being advanced and some right willing policies advancing.
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Who saw this one coming?
Correlation of Biden voter and being Covid vaccinated; rate is now at .847.
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No one has forgotten you need a majority appointment positions and pass legislation. I'm saying Manchin ain't shit and is replaceable. The narrative that he is some kind of Blue Jesus that that party can't survive about is insane and concerning. Of course the party is stuck with him now but he should treated like the contract your are not going to renew at the end of its term because it ain't shit. What I see is that Dems are afraid of shopping around for better options, instead they will settle for lopsided crappy deal, maybe because they think if they are nice enough they would stop getting tossed around? Manchin is half-assed and only works for the party a quarter of the time, he is a lost but not a substantial one but he hasn't been doing too much for the party anyway.
The party is nuts if they are not exploring other options to work around him. The practically non-existent majority is not sustainable anyway. Manchin's value plummets if the party makes a real grab at the Senate, in which you will wonder why so much was done to kiss his ass and why you are surprised when he switches parties.
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Manchin is holding right-wing policy back when the party has to shift to the right to get him to vote? One of his only 'redeeming' values is that he can pull in right-votes out of WV.
You're the first person to mention him as some kind of Blue Jesus (funny term though). My entire point has only been that people shouldn't bitch too much about him, because his (D) is the only reason we can control the agenda. Without him and Sienna we'd have Senate Majority Leader Moscow Mitch.
Versus the 100/0 split under McConnell, where any Democratic legislation died on his desk and he refused to bring any Democratic nominees to a vote and he openly bragged about grinding the machinery of government to a halt? Where the question he asked wasn't "how do we bring the Democrats on board?" but "how do we do this without requiring the Democrats at all, because we're not even going to invite them to work with us in the first place?"
The current situation is not great, but the alternative is objectively worse in every way.
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And you seem to for some perplexing reason think that it being McConnell literally 100% is some how better. As well as a complete loss of control over all comities, and the ability for any liberal judge to be put on the bench lost until at least 2023 and possibly beyond.
Most of us aren't saying the current situation is preferred or ideal. But it's a damn sight better than the alternative you've concocted in your head would be.
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What have I concocotted in my head? I argued that the party should not on Manchin or elevate him as if he does much for the party. He is replaceable and the party should jump on any and all opportunities to do so. That's not saying he doesn't come with one or two, it's that he only comes with one or two perks.
Critism towards Manchin is often met with, to paraphrase, "you can't say that because we need him. He is single-handedly holding back McConnell!". He is advantageous but not needed. One man who is replaceable. If the only argument for him is that he is a seat filler so the Dems can hold a 'majority' the he will addressed as such.
I think the need to jump over backwards to defend any criticism thrown his way is telling. No one said to remove Manchin tomorrow, what's been said that he ain't shit.
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/stat...627877385?s=19Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says it is "highly unlikely" he would let President Biden fill a Supreme Court vacancy in 2024 if GOP wins back Senate https://t.co/aFJPNH12JB
Holy mother bleep!
McConnel does this a lot, giving out his playbook. If you want to give him credit, this is the signal to the base.
Now jeez, you idiot Dems talking about bipartisanship (cough Manchin and Sinema) and Republicans talking again to freeze out a possible Justice. This time for two years.
The Dems, who refuse to play the game, with Justice Breyerrefusing to retire and if course adding more Justices, which is dead.
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"Buh dah DEMS"
Then you phrased that absolutely miserably and your criticism basically amounted to a bunch of pointless winging about shit people already knew while claiming the clear downsides to Manchin being a Republican didn't exist. Especially with your multiple comments that basically ignore/handwave quite a few of the useful things his seat has provided. The one about "focusing too much on Manchin instead of vulnerable seats" as is literally fucking every DNC campaigner isn't trying to do exactly that and ignores that fact that any intelligent person would clearly focus on both.
Literally no one in here elevated him. And you're perfectly willing to bend over backwards to post nonsense like this:
Which unless you're particularly stupid, and you doubled down on it in later posts, making McConnel Majority leader is an objectively worse feature than having to move to the right on some issues but still see some advancement leftward. Like it's not hard to see that. If you'd like I can get the crayon and coloring book out to point out the rest, but you're bending over backwards to ignore any positives you're hardly better than the imaginary people calling Manchin Blue Jesus.
Again if Manchin were to flip R, or any other dem if you wish to get the focus off him, there would not be a single liberal justice on the bench until a minimum of 2023 and possibly even longer. That makes his, and all Dems seats, very important. But his particularly so because if you hate him you'll hate 99.99% of whoever WV puts out even more.
There's plenty to criticize him for. Some of us just don't need to lie about the positives like you seem to need to or downplay the positives because he's been an overall pita blocking leftwing policies and advancing less then we'd like. I for one wont downplay the keeping control out of McConnels hand's for a second considering in his time as Majority leader he has done far more damage to left wing policies with his reworking of the Supreme court and Judiciary. That damage will last for decades and will outlast anything Manchin can ever do to hamstring left-wing efforts. Manchin is a small price to pay to take that power away while we try and build a larger majority.
Assuming Themus's numbers are correct it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that flipping 75% in your favor to 25% in your favor is an objectively bad thing and your efforts to get people to see the light on Manchin just end up coming across as ignoring reality.
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You don't understand.
Without voter protections and filibuster reform, they will take control of Senate and lessen or take the House. We didn't;'t take enough control away to make the future fair. They are set up sweet going forward. They will lie and cheat their way to power and we can't stop them from doing it, because this wafer thin majority you guys are creaming your jeans over is weak.
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
Of course he is advertising this. This will HUGELY enhance republican turn out, and democrats will barely notice. It's obvious that this is what he would do, but his announcing is a very strong political statement geared towards republicans winning the 2022 elections.Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says it is "highly unlikely" he would let President Biden fill a Supreme Court vacancy in 2024 if GOP wins back Senate https://t.co/aFJPNH12JB