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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    If anything, they should be pretty fuckin stoked to take away some power from Biden, a Democrat.
    Remember when it was reintroduced, the RW feverswamps were running with "Democrats don't trust Biden's judgement" headlines. So I'm sure they'll use the vote to roll into Roney Jackson's "Biden needs a cognitive test" bullshit.
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Mitch McConnell just blew up Joe Manchin's bipartisan dream

    Gotta see this as a closer path to killing the Filibuster. Manchin just needs good reasons to kill the Filibuster, imo. And he must know that the second Moscow Mitch gets power back he will kill it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Mitch McConnell just blew up Joe Manchin's bipartisan dream

    Gotta see this as a closer path to killing the Filibuster. Manchin just needs good reasons to kill the Filibuster, imo. And he must know that the second Moscow Mitch gets power back he will kill it as well.
    Manchin growing a spine and voting with the democratic party to remove the filibuster? I doubt it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slirith View Post
    Manchin growing a spine and voting with the democratic party to remove the filibuster? I doubt it
    He's playing a sly game. Recall he has to keep his conservative constituents happy so we can keep his (D) in office. Manchin worked at a bi-partisan compromise and put forth a genuine effort. McConnell shit all over it without even trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    He's playing a sly game. Recall he has to keep his conservative constituents happy so we can keep his (D) in office. Manchin worked at a bi-partisan compromise and put forth a genuine effort. McConnell shit all over it without even trying.
    https://www.theintelligencer.net/new...he-filibuster/

    I mean, if they made the filibuster "real" and made Senators actually get up to talk, it's got majority popularity in WV already (60%) so he doesn't need to make that play.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-ma...-16-commission

    He just likes the filibuster and is trying to protect it. So it needs to be made clear to him that Republicans have no interest in bipartisanship. I hope he takes what McConnell says seriously, though at this point I sadly doubt it. He wants to keep donors happy, because why the fuck push for election reform when you can do something like spend most of your term dialing for dollars?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post


    HIstoric moment as Biden signs Law S.475, the Juneteenth National Independence Day Act, which designates Juneteenth as a federal holiday.

    Grats to Rep. Shelia Jackson and the CBC.
    This is great and all, but why isn’t Election Day a federal holiday yet? You know, something that would actually benefit minorities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amunrasonther View Post
    This is great and all, but why isn’t Election Day a federal holiday yet? You know, something that would actually benefit minorities?
    Because McConnell says it's a Democratic power grab - https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ay/2725081002/

    Republicans aren't going to mandate time off to allow people to more easily vote if they can have the power to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because McConnell says it's a Democratic power grab - https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ay/2725081002/

    Republicans aren't going to mandate time off to allow people to more easily vote if they can have the power to stop it.
    I mean, the GQP is actively suppressing voting ability now. They sure as shit aren't going to make it easier. And their fact-averse cult will eat up whatever bland excuse Moscow Mitch or Donnie Dumb Fuck give them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Mitch McConnell just blew up Joe Manchin's bipartisan dream

    Gotta see this as a closer path to killing the Filibuster. Manchin just needs good reasons to kill the Filibuster, imo. And he must know that the second Moscow Mitch gets power back he will kill it as well.
    Hate to break this to you, but Manchin doesn't actually care about bipartisanship, that's just an act and he's really only doing this because of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    So it looks like Manchin was all for the For the People Act when Democrats didn't have control, but now that Democrats have control he's against it.

    Joe Manchin cosponsored the voting-rights bill in 2019 that he's now blocking on the grounds that the GOP doesn't like it
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    This is pretty much proof that Manchin was paid off to change his stance on the For The People Act which he cosponsored in 2019.

    Joe Manchin's "highly suspicious" reversal on voting bill follows donation from corporate lobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    Hate to break this to you, but Manchin doesn't actually care about bipartisanship, that's just an act and he's really only doing this because of money.
    And yet, if the filibuster were gone, he'd find himself the key vote on any number of votes. One would think that situation would be very lucrative to someone who is only doing this because of the money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    And yet, if the filibuster were gone, he'd find himself the key vote on any number of votes. One would think that situation would be very lucrative to someone who is only doing this because of the money.
    Getting rid of the filibuster would not make him the key vote. It would actually have the opposite effect. All it would do is bring more republicans to the bargaining table because they know it's going to pass with or without them, and they'll be going for their piece. Essentially when the filibuster is gone, the corporations can stop funneling him money and just ask another one of their guys that are also corrupted in the GoP to just go along with what's being passed. Manchin loses a ton of power if filibuster is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Getting rid of the filibuster would not make him the key vote. It would actually have the opposite effect. All it would do is bring more republicans to the bargaining table because they know it's going to pass with or without them, and they'll be going for their piece. Essentially when the filibuster is gone, the corporations can stop funneling him money and just ask another one of their guys that are also corrupted in the GoP to just go along with what's being passed. Manchin loses a ton of power if filibuster is gone.
    You tell me how a Republican going against the voting bulk of the GoP helps them get their piece. That's not how the current GoP works and you know it. For many Republicans, it's a death-sentence, politically speaking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    You tell me how a Republican going against the voting bulk of the GoP helps them get their piece. That's not how the current GoP works and you know it. For many Republicans, it's a death-sentence, politically speaking.
    It's actually pretty simple. Filibuster dies. Now most bills only need majority. Republican comes to table, asks for this one small provision(that helps their donor) for said republican's agreement to vote on said bill, that's essentially gonna get passed since they have no power as a minority with the filibuster gone. Everyone is gonna be looking for their little bite at each bill here and there. I mean, killing the filibuster guarantee's more bipartisan bills in the senate get passed. And most of these bills that are passed are viewed as actually popular, so it puts them on the right side of the vote, instead of the wrong side, which makes it harder for their opponents to attack. Death of the fillibuster will help centrist dem's and purple state republicans immensely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    It's actually pretty simple. Filibuster dies. Now most bills only need majority. Republican comes to table, asks for this one small provision(that helps their donor) for said republican's agreement to vote on said bill, that's essentially gonna get passed since they have no power as a minority with the filibuster gone. Everyone is gonna be looking for their little bite at each bill here and there. I mean, killing the filibuster guarantee's more bipartisan bills in the senate get passed. And most of these bills that are passed are viewed as actually popular, so it puts them on the right side of the vote, instead of the wrong side, which makes it harder for their opponents to attack. Death of the fillibuster will help centrist dem's and purple state republicans immensely.
    And if one or more Republicans votes yes on each of those bills, it becomes a huge feather in the Democrats' cap for proving that getting rid of the filibuster boosted bipartisanship. The GoP leadership won't want that to happen, so will come down hard on people getting their little piece.

    That's my point, no "little piece" is going to be worth being ostracized by the GoP PTB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    And if one or more Republicans votes yes on each of those bills, it becomes a huge feather in the Democrats' cap for proving that getting rid of the filibuster boosted bipartisanship. The GoP leadership won't want that to happen, so will come down hard on people getting their little piece.

    That's my point, no "little piece" is going to be worth being ostracized by the GoP PTB.
    But the GoP leadership would literally lose all the power they currently have, so it won't actually be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    But the GoP leadership would literally lose all the power they currently have, so it won't actually be an issue.
    Uh.................................. no.

    They would lose power over Congress as a whole, but they wouldn't lose power over their own party.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Uh.................................. no.

    They would lose power over Congress as a whole, but they wouldn't lose power over their own party.
    uh Bro... GoP leadership doesn't even have power over their own party now. Citizens United does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    uh Bro... GoP leadership doesn't even have power over their own party now. Citizens United does.
    And you think that big dark money donors are gonna want them breaking ranks regularly...why? They want them voting as a block, and while McCarthy may have little to no control over House Republicans, McConnell has a near iron fist over Senate Republicans. Sure, he lets them rabble rouse and do dumb shit, but when it comes time to vote he delivers them. One of the few notable exceptions is McCain killing Trumpcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And you think that big dark money donors are gonna want them breaking ranks regularly...why? They want them voting as a block, and while McCarthy may have little to no control over House Republicans, McConnell has a near iron fist over Senate Republicans. Sure, he lets them rabble rouse and do dumb shit, but when it comes time to vote he delivers them. One of the few notable exceptions is McCain killing Trumpcare.
    What does voting as a block do, when bills are getting passed and Billionaires and Corps are getting nothing out of it. It does nothing. As I said, this is really simple....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    uh Bro... GoP leadership doesn't even have power over their own party now. Citizens United does.
    You keep telling yourself that, if you find it comforting.


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