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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You know you are advocating for colonization right?
    Just like we colonized Japan and Germany in 1945....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Just like we colonized Japan and Germany in 1945....
    Well, you certainly tore Japan a new colon. I blame you for why the people and the culture can be so weird at times. The country's been nuked more than the recommended healthy number of times, and anime looks like they do their hair with the mix of candy floss machine and then comb the mess with electric swordfish.
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    And again, let’s presume equity in schools is achievable. Then why should a parent read to a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Just like we colonized Japan and Germany in 1945....
    You think that was free?


    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33331.pdf


    We spent just as much in Germany as we did Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Just like we colonized Japan and Germany in 1945....
    That's not the same we just finished a world war other countries were not in a position to help rebuilt them. The US was a late entry in WW2 so was stronger financially also once Hitler's horrors became known there was no viable insurgency involved. You are talking about conflicts we went in mostly solo under dubious reasons which were exposed and the locals never wanted us there to begin with.

    The only way to keep Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan would be through sheer force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    You think that was free?


    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33331.pdf


    We spent just as much in Germany as we did Iraq.
    No, I am well aware of the costs, and the success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    That's not the same we just finished a world war other countries were not in a position to help rebuilt them. The US was a late entry in WW2 so was stronger financially also once Hitler's horrors became known there was no viable insurgency involved. You are talking about conflicts we went in mostly solo under dubious reasons which were exposed and the locals never wanted us there to begin with.

    The only way to keep Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan would be through sheer force.
    There was no insurgency because we rebuilt them before pulling massive occupation forces.

    Oh we could have rebuilt those countries, we just failed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    There was no insurgency because we rebuilt them before pulling massive occupation forces.

    Oh we could have rebuilt those countries, we just failed to.
    False, it took decades to rebuild those countries, Hitler's horrors became known shortly after the war ended. This is a false equivalency you are completely dismissing circumstances and popular sentiment when it comes to these situations. This was a black swan event Biden, Trump or Obama don't have similar circumstances, you can't just randomly invade and rebuild countries for the lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    False, it took decades to rebuild those countries, Hitler's horrors became known shortly after the war ended. This is a false equivalency you are completely dismissing circumstances and popular sentiment when it comes to these situations. This was a black swan event Biden, Trump or Obama don't have similar circumstances, you can't just randomly invade and rebuild countries for the lulz.
    No, you are discounting the similarities and world history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    No, you are discounting the similarities and world history.
    Which world war was the US in that involved Iraq and Afghanistan? you are dismissing everything aside from the basics by that logic every conflict is identical and the same. I mean even if you wanted to what would Biden's justification be to stay in Afghanistan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Which world war was the US in that involved Iraq and Afghanistan? you are dismissing everything aside from the basics by that logic every conflict is identical and the same. I mean even if you wanted to what would Biden's justification be to stay in Afghanistan?
    I do not know if you are intentionally obtuse or what, but I can see there is no expanding your understanding of how to deal with a country concerning COIN.
    Oh, I would have preferred we handled them correctly in 2002-3 so we could have left a decade or more ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    If done correctly it would not cost tens of trillions. You get stable non hostile countries.


    Frackers are unwilling to go into significant debt for fear that Saudi Arabia will cause another price crash.

    Had I said "Gas has never been this high, relatively." you would have a case, but it was a simple "gas has never been this high" against the simple statement "gas was higher under Trump".
    Frackers are alredy in significant debt...there really is not much more they can do.

    No, gas was just as high under trump and a wee bit higher.

    You failed to take inflation into account so regardless of how you want to say it you were still Wrong.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Frackers are alredy in significant debt...there really is not much more they can do.

    No, gas was just as high under trump and a wee bit higher.

    You failed to take inflation into account so regardless of how you want to say it you were still Wrong.
    The largest players in fracking are also the largest players in normal oil in the US by and large.

    Nope, not wrong because constant dollars were not given as a condition. Hence why you see news articles like "Gas Prices to Remain Highest Since 2014 for 4th of July Weekend", or "Americans Will Hit the Road With Highest Fuel Price Since 2014".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    I do not know if you are intentionally obtuse or what, but I can see there is no expanding your understanding of how to deal with a country concerning COIN.
    Oh, I would have preferred we handled them correctly in 2002-3 so we could have left a decade or more ago.
    It took decades to rebuild Japan and Germany but you think Afghanistan would only take 10 years or less? Are you high?

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    President Biden gives a 4th of July speech in which he compares signing the Declaration/the war that followed to how far we've come against COVID/the fact that we're not done yet, but will be if we keep fighting for it.

    Backthen, we had the power of an idea on our side. Today, we have the power of science.


    The metaphor's a little forced...a little fourthed...but the message is still clear. America is coming back from a dark period of its history. And also from COVID.

    Together we’re beating the virus. Together we are breathing life into our economy. Together we’ll rescue our people from division and despair. Together we must do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The metaphor's a little forced...a little fourthed...but the message is still clear. America is coming back from a dark period of its history. And also from COVID.
    I strongly disagree to my dismay the democrats have been utterly failing when it comes to protecting democracy. Even if you put aside the election meddling and the whole punishing traitors the president still has the same powers. There have been zero attempts at transparency and curbing the powers of the executive which Trump has shown can easily become a dictatorship.

    Biden and the democrats are still living in lala land where they think norms are going to be respected instead of laws. We got lucky with Trump he was an incompetent moron we won't be so lucky with someone with even half a brain like Desantis or some other right winger. Unless something is done the US is teetering closer and closer to an authoritarian regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    It took decades to rebuild Japan and Germany but you think Afghanistan would only take 10 years or less? Are you high?
    Afghanistan is not exactly on the same scale as Japan or Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Afghanistan is not exactly on the same scale as Japan or Germany.
    Yeah it's massively larger than either.

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    Despite all the bombing and such in Germany and Japan, they both still had an intact infrastructure and a population that was more than willing to grasp the advantage of getting a lot of outside help, the results of which are easily seen today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The largest players in fracking are also the largest players in normal oil in the US by and large.

    Nope, not wrong because constant dollars were not given as a condition. Hence why you see news articles like "Gas Prices to Remain Highest Since 2014 for 4th of July Weekend", or "Americans Will Hit the Road With Highest Fuel Price Since 2014".

    You don't need a condition, its just fact.
    Just because other people also made the mistake does not make it right.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    You don't need a condition, its just fact.
    Just because other people also made the mistake does not make it right.
    And ultimately… so what if gas prices are higher?

    People have had decades to buy more fuel efficient vehicles. Politicians have had decades to push for more efficient infrastructure.
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    Words to live by.

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