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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I think Tan Suite-Gate is back on the menu, bois. Seems like Biden may be ending Obama's birthday week (Aug 4) with a throwback to what may have been the dumbest nontroversy of the Obama presidency, only slightly edging out other contenders like "Dijon Mustard-Gate" and "Latte-Gate"
    Meanwhile, having a suit so badly tailored it could double as a parachute? Totally okay.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attackrabbit View Post
    I would say a better / nicer community overall is worth more than a yard and whatever privacy you think you'd lose, but 'fuck them, I got mine' right?



    Maybe you and your friends should stop wandering the streets then
    A yard and privacy is what makes a better/nicer community.

    When all else fails, resort to insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I've ignored most of your bullshit because it's been painfully transparent and not worth the time, but this one is so blatantly stupid I'll address it.

    I could refute it in two words: The Dutch. But for those who need me to elaborate, biking is as much a mode of transportation as cars/motorscooters are here. My commute to work is 45 minutes both way on a bike (and would take closer to an hour if I relied on public transportation), but I know others for whom it's even longer. Some people I work with get on the train with their bike from other cities and then bike the rest of the way from the nearest stop and this is also a normal thing here. The weather? Please, I've gone through driving rain, hail and even snow--as do most people who bike here. There are plenty of wardrobe solutions. Fit people only? Not really. Electric bikes are a thing and have decent range and there's also the adult equivalent of a tricycle for those without good balance. The infrastructure is here for most places to be reachable by bike and many, many people do. It's far from the only country where that's the case. Your arguments against it are laughable at best.
    45 minutes on a bike is still a short trip. The inconvenience of weather is only a non factor when it is less of an inconvenience than driving.

    Not many people I know are willing to ride in the rain for hours when they can drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    A yard and privacy is what makes a better/nicer community.

    When all else fails, resort to insults.
    What? No.
    Fenced in backyards make a more insulate community.

    Bike/pedestrian safe paths, parks and easily accessible public recreation areas is what makes a nicer community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Not many people I know are willing to ride in the rain for hours when they can drive.
    Says someone who's never left rural america it seems.

    Public transport is the norm in 99% of Europe and Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Yeah, Kellhound worships Trump therefore all his opinions are null and void.

    I live in a rural area, my internet is atrocious. I have to have a bonded line just to get to 18mbs. It would cost me $30K just to get the fiber line laid from the road to the closest structure with power on the property, which is 2000 feet from the junction box.

    I signed up for Musk's satellite service, but I guess I didn't get in.
    I hate Trump, he is an idiot. I never voted for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attackrabbit View Post
    I would say a better / nicer community overall is worth more than a yard and whatever privacy you think you'd lose, but 'fuck them, I got mine' right?
    Relevant where I am;

    OPEN SPACE, CLOSED GATES An aerial view shows part of Ardrossan. Its 50 sprawling homesites are protected from further development. Buyers enjoy the prospect of related tax breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    What? No.
    Fenced in backyards make a more insulate community.

    Bike/pedestrian safe paths, parks and easily accessible public recreation areas is what makes a nicer community.

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    Says someone who's never left rural america it seems.

    Public transport is the norm in 99% of Europe and Asia.
    An insulate community is a nice community.

    I have lived in the heart of the Bay Area, worked/gone to school in the downtown area of Portland. I know the times to drive and the times to take the train/bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Relevant where I am;

    OPEN SPACE, CLOSED GATES An aerial view shows part of Ardrossan. Its 50 sprawling homesites are protected from further development. Buyers enjoy the prospect of related tax breaks.
    Now THAT is paradise, thought the house is a bit big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Relevant where I am;

    OPEN SPACE, CLOSED GATES An aerial view shows part of Ardrossan. Its 50 sprawling homesites are protected from further development. Buyers enjoy the prospect of related tax breaks.
    McMansions are fucking disgusting. Eugh.

    Should cut off their electricity and water in addition to their taxes, tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://twitter.com/Tara_Mckelvey/st...67993809231875


    I think Tan Suite-Gate is back on the menu, bois. Seems like Biden may be ending Obama's birthday week (Aug 4) with a throwback to what may have been the dumbest nontroversy of the Obama presidency, only slightly edging out other contenders like "Dijon Mustard-Gate" and "Latte-Gate"
    I'd put bike helmet gate as a nominee as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    An insulate community is a nice community.
    It's not, but whatever appeases your xenophobic fears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    I have lived in the heart of the Bay Area, worked/gone to school in the downtown area of Portland. I know the times to drive and the times to take the train/bus.
    Also, if all you know is American public transportation, then I'm sorry to tell you you're missing out on what i can really be like. American cities were never designed with public transportation in mind, and it's equally underfunded and underdeveloped as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Also, if all you know is American public transportation, then I'm sorry to tell you you're missing out on what i can really be like. American cities were never designed with public transportation in mind, and it's equally underfunded and underdeveloped as a result.
    It's incredibly ironic how people that do nothing but complain about the state of America's urban spaces insist on continuing the same policies that led to America's urban spaces being garbage.

    I really wouldn't give as much of a shit if said policies weren't also killing the planet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    It's incredibly ironic how people that do nothing but complain about the state of America's urban spaces insist on continuing the same policies that led to America's urban spaces being garbage.

    I really wouldn't give as much of a shit if said policies weren't also killing the planet.
    The thing is, I've heard some American urban planners rag on cul-de-sacs etc. And I've seen lots of areal photos of american cul-de-sac neighbour hoods. And the only issue I have with them (aside from "single family housing" and nothing else zoning) is that there aren't pedestrian and bike paths behind the houses. Those type of developments could still happen if you just also added those features. Bikes away from the traffic, short cuts between residential neighbourhoods and then with potential for common green-spaces as well.


    The town I grew up in. Practically every residential street there is a cul-de-sac. However there is a robust network of paths and greenspaces within it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    It's not, but whatever appeases your xenophobic fears.

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    Also, if all you know is American public transportation, then I'm sorry to tell you you're missing out on what i can really be like. American cities were never designed with public transportation in mind, and it's equally underfunded and underdeveloped as a result.
    Has nothing to do with fear, everything to do with not being forced to deal with people as much as possible.

    I will always take the flexibility of a car over public transit anytime I am not going into a major city center. When it is cheaper and faster to take mass transit I do, but it is rare these days I bother going into the core of Portland, there is no reason to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Has nothing to do with fear, everything to do with not being forced to deal with people as much as possible.
    "Not having a community makes a nice community."

    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    An insulate community is a nice community.
    It's the antithesis of a "community". "Community" is about interaction and communication. A suburbia that's isolate is less a "community" than a prison complex where prisoners each have separate cells; at least the prisoners share common rooms and can see and communicate with each other.

    Suburbia is a disease. It contributes essentially nothing of value to any city, only contributing to wasteful land use, increased traffic and emissions, and servicing demands that do not pay for themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Has nothing to do with fear, everything to do with not being forced to deal with people as much as possible.
    That's fear, or at least some unchecked antisocial tendencies.

    I will always take the flexibility of a car over public transit anytime I am not going into a major city center. When it is cheaper and faster to take mass transit I do, but it is rare these days I bother going into the core of Portland, there is no reason to.
    Well designed public transit is as flexible as cars, and much better because you don't have to sit in traffic, stare at a GPS to not miss your turn, and have to worry about other drivers.

    You're arguing from a point of literal ignorance, since you admit you don't know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    "Not having a community makes a nice community."

    A community where you control your interactions with others very much makes for a nice community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    The thing is, I've heard some American urban planners rag on cul-de-sacs etc. And I've seen lots of areal photos of american cul-de-sac neighbour hoods. And the only issue I have with them (aside from "single family housing" and nothing else zoning) is that there aren't pedestrian and bike paths behind the houses. Those type of developments could still happen if you just also added those features. Bikes away from the traffic, short cuts between residential neighbourhoods and then with potential for common green-spaces as well.

    The town I grew up in. Practically every residential street there is a cul-de-sac. However there is a robust network of paths and greenspaces within it all.
    FWIW, cul-de-sacs are frowned upon by modern city planners because the design models they produce lead to suburbias with minimal connections to surrounding roadways. Developers love this, because they can make nice little entrances to the "community", but it's garbage shit in terms of movement through the city. They also, weirdly, keep doing big wide curved streets thinking the curves slow people down, and they don't; what slows people down is narrow streets, curviness doesn't matter. An ideal suburban street is one where you don't have room for more than one parked car on one side of the road, and maybe not even that (and no parking on the side of the road at all, but you want the allowance for deliveries and service vehicles and such).

    With dead-end streets and minimal interconnections, if you have to do road work near one of those entrances, traffic is a nightmare and everyone gets pissed off. Where in any system with cross-connections (it doesn't have to be a grid if straight lines bother you), you just skip to the next exit street over.



    That's a comparison showing how far a one-mile walk could take you from the point at the star, in both design concepts. The same principles apply to vehicle traffic, too. The practice generally contributes to the idea that everyone stays in their house and drives everywhere they need to go, rather than walking to the corner store or the like. Because in the suburb, it's way more likely that cornerstore is an hour's walk away. If there even is one, because nobody designs for that, because you're expected to drive everywhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's the antithesis of a "community". "Community" is about interaction and communication. A suburbia that's isolate is less a "community" than a prison complex where prisoners each have separate cells; at least the prisoners share common rooms and can see and communicate with each other.

    Suburbia is a disease. It contributes essentially nothing of value to any city, only contributing to wasteful land use, increased traffic and emissions, and servicing demands that do not pay for themselves.
    I would call an apartment complex a prison, not a nice single family home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    A community where you control your interactions with others very much makes for a nice community.
    Again, that's the antithesis of a "community". The direct opposite. It's you stating how much you appreciate not being part of a community, not you lauding a particular community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    I would call an apartment complex a prison, not a nice single family home.
    In every apartment complex I've lived in, I ran into neighbours in the hallways constantly. Plus, some have communal services like pools or workout rooms, or make even greater efforts to build a community in the building.

    So no. You're just wrong about what a "community" is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    FWIW, cul-de-sacs are frowned upon by modern city planners because the design models they produce lead to suburbias with minimal connections to surrounding roadways. Developers love this, because they can make nice little entrances to the "community", but it's garbage shit in terms of movement through the city. They also, weirdly, keep doing big wide curved streets thinking the curves slow people down, and they don't; what slows people down is narrow streets, curviness doesn't matter. An ideal suburban street is one where you don't have room for more than one parked car on one side of the road, and maybe not even that (and no parking on the side of the road at all, but you want the allowance for deliveries and service vehicles and such).

    With dead-end streets and minimal interconnections, if you have to do road work near one of those entrances, traffic is a nightmare and everyone gets pissed off. Where in any system with cross-connections (it doesn't have to be a grid if straight lines bother you), you just skip to the next exit street over.



    That's a comparison showing how far a one-mile walk could take you from the point at the star, in both design concepts. The same principles apply to vehicle traffic, too. The practice generally contributes to the idea that everyone stays in their house and drives everywhere they need to go, rather than walking to the corner store or the like. Because in the suburb, it's way more likely that cornerstore is an hour's walk away. If there even is one, because nobody designs for that, because you're expected to drive everywhere.
    They clearly never played SimCity to try to get to the megalopolis stage.
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

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