Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

A stock photo from where and when I used to "live." Whenever someone talks about city living, this is what I used to think of.

[Kellhound]

How would you know if the only cities you've ever lived in are badly designed American ones? Lol.

Because what I don't like about big cities cannot be made better, and what I like about rural and suburban areas cannot be duplicated in them.

[Elegiac]

Because what I don't like about big cities cannot be made better, and what I like about rural and suburban areas cannot be duplicated in them.

Which you've no evidence or experience to support because, once again, your sample size is restricted to literally some of the worst examples of urban design in the developed world.

[Kellhound]

I mean, I do live in a single detached home in a small town. Like, "has a main street with all the shops that a lot are named after the town" level of "small town".

But that's because it's a satellite for the big city (Ottawa, as in my Location entry), and when I we were looking for a condo or townhome in the city, the prices were completely ridiculous, especially as most of them needed a lot of work (like, fully replace the kitchen levels of "lots of work"). If I had my druthers, I'd be living in a condo in the city, where I could walk to local shops. It's just way out of our price range right now (which isn't exactly low, we were looking at prices around a half a million).

It's not so bad here, since it's a little residential area attached to a small town, so the houses are mostly all unique and there's decent amounts of space, you don't get the ticky-tacky little carbon-stamped houses you see in big developments these days, which are just soul-crushing garbage for the most part.

Would I die if I lived in one of those, though? Nope. That's ridiculous, and if it's not hyperbole, it's either a cry for help or for attention.

What makes you happy and life worth living is not the same as what makes another.

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Which you've no evidence or experience to support because, once again, your sample size is restricted to literally some of the worst examples of urban design in the developed world.

Again, you have NO idea what makes life worth it for me.

[Endus]

What makes you happy and life worth living is not the same as what makes another.

Yeah, we're not talking about what we find most attractive/ideal. We're talking about what you claimed was so awful you'd literally die in a week.

[Kellhound]

Yeah, we're not talking about what we find most attractive/ideal. We're talking about what you claimed was so awful you'd literally die in a week.

It would cost me most things I find enjoyable, subject me to many of the things I cannot stand, and provide me nothing to mitigate those. Why would I want to exist in that state?

[Belize]

Forgot the "MY" in the sentence.

That's like saying skinning people and making lampshades made Ed Gein happy.

[Kellhound]

That's like saying skinning people and making lampshades made Ed Gein happy.

Yes, because my hobbies include murder.....

[Zan15]

It will be new battery technologies that will overcome charging time, not capacity.

The cheapest full EV is the Nissan Leaf at $28k for the 145 mile range version. The cheapest Nissan is the Versa at $13k. A Hyundai Ionic plug-in hybrid is $27k, full EV Ionic is $33k, an Elantra is $20k. I drive about 80 miles a day, so we will conservatively say the Elantra would cost me $40 a week in gas. It would take 6.25 years for the Ionic to pay for itself. And at that point, it will have lost about 30% of its range. From a cost perspective, you would have to keep a car a very long term for the long term savings to kick in.

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Please please let me know where i can find a Versa at 13k????

Cheapest in the tristate i can find is around 16.8-17.4. i even searched Midwest.

Really cheapest around that is not a total POS is the Kia Rio and the best you can do on that is around 15.5-16k.




You can probably knock a year off for savings on repair and maintenance

[Kellhound]

Please please let me know where i can find a Versa at 13k????

Cheapest in the tristate i can find is around 16.8-17.4. i even searched Midwest.

Really cheapest around that is not a total POS is the Kia Rio and the best you can do on that is around 15.5-16k.




You can probably knock a year off for savings on repair and maintenance

That is MSRP, as were all other numbers.

Most repairs would be covered by warranty.

[Zan15]

That is MSRP, as were all other numbers.

Most repairs would be covered by warranty.

The savings are on things that are not covered by warranty like breaks, oil changes, transmission fluid, timing belts, etc etc etc.

No Nissan has an MSRP anywhere near 13k.
Even their cheapest manual Versa is listed at about 15k MSRP.


not to mention the leaf MSRP can be as low as 19,900 with tax credits.

and some states like Vermont will give you additional incentives of 1500-4000 depending on your income levels all the way up to 125,000 a year. Ct will give you 750-2500. Ny gives you 1000. CA 1500 .. etc etc

[Rozz]

Get back on topic. Also, extrapolating personal preferences to make digs at each other's mental state isn't okay either.

[Themius]

Trains have significant issues that limit their ability to impact transportation at either end of the spectrum (very short trips and very long trips).

A lot of people don't want to live in a multi family housing unit. They tend to suck. Bike lanes only work for short trips during good weather for fit people, they are not a solution.

No... trains do not... every other country manages to make this work...

You "assume" people don't want to live in multi family units YET LOOKS AN THE FUCKING ENTIRETY OF THE FUCKING WORLD only the USA and Canada builds like this, no one else does. The USA and Canada also has a shit ton of people complaining about lack of walkability and driving and traffic...

Also care to explain why it is when zoning laws are more lax towns naturally develop into the style of lots of businesses close together with tighter lanes and mix used buildings? I mean you say people don't like it but the fucking states often force zoning to be such that you can't build anything else so this idea of "well that's what the market wants" is pure bullshit mate.

[Kellhound]

The savings are on things that are not covered by warranty like breaks, oil changes, transmission fluid, timing belts, etc etc etc.

No Nissan has an MSRP anywhere near 13k.
Even their cheapest manual Versa is listed at about 15k MSRP.


not to mention the leaf MSRP can be as low as 19,900 with tax credits.

and some states like Vermont will give you additional incentives of 1500-4000 depending on your income levels all the way up to 125,000 a year. Ct will give you 750-2500. Ny gives you 1000. CA 1500 .. etc etc

EVs still have brakes, tires, electronics, etc. They are not free of maintenance.

Hmm, they raised prices since last i looked, but it doesn't change the equation much.

Federal tax breaks are fleeting, as any new Tesla buyer can attest to. They will likely need to be expanded to meet Biden's goals.

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No... trains do not... every other country manages to make this work...

You "assume" people don't want to live in multi family units YET LOOKS AN THE FUCKING ENTIRETY OF THE FUCKING WORLD only the USA and Canada builds like this, no one else does. The USA and Canada also has a shit ton of people complaining about lack of walkability and driving and traffic...

Also care to explain why it is when zoning laws are more lax towns naturally develop into the style of lots of businesses close together with tighter lanes and mix used buildings? I mean you say people don't like it but the fucking states often force zoning to be such that you can't build anything else so this idea of "well that's what the market wants" is pure bullshit mate.

What most countries consider long distance trains would in the US be nothing more than a regional, which are the most successful Amtrak trains. Actual long distance trains are less successful, as planes are a faster method of travel.

We are discussing the US, not the rest of the world. So what the rest of the world thinks is irrelevant. I didn't say everyone, I said a lot.

Around here, most people complain when zoning is changed to allow infill. Land constraints dictate condensed housing more than market wants.

[draynay]

We are discussing the US, not the rest of the world. So what the rest of the world thinks is irrelevant. I didn't say everyone, I said a lot.

Around here, most people complain when zoning is changed to allow infill. Land constraints dictate condensed housing more than market wants.

I don't live "Around here" so what people think "Around here" is irrelevant.

[Kellhound]

I don't live "Around here" so what people think "Around here" is irrelevant.

That is perfectly fine.

[Zan15]

EVs still have brakes, tires, electronics, etc. They are not free of maintenance.

Hmm, they raised prices since last i looked, but it doesn't change the equation much.

Federal tax breaks are fleeting, as any new Tesla buyer can attest to. They will likely need to be expanded to meet Biden's goals.

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Yes its not about the things they both have in common its about the things that have maintenance on an non EV that are ADDITIONAL cost on average over the cost of maintenance on an EV. Brakes sure, but EV does a lot of stopping and slowing without engaging the breaks so wear and tear on brakes are substancially lower on an EV.

There's not much on an EV that needs preventitive maintenance that is not on a non-EV. All the extra electrical/battery related items are included in the warranty

Studies show that over the life of the EV the savings on average is 4k+.


the tax breaks might be "fleeting" but since you get them right now, it needs to be included in your cost comparison.

[Kellhound]

Yes its not about the things they both have in common its about the things that have maintenance on an non EV that are ADDITIONAL cost on average over the cost of maintenance on an EV. Brakes sure, but EV does a lot of stopping and slowing without engaging the breaks so wear and tear on brakes are substancially lower on an EV.

There's not much on an EV that needs preventitive maintenance that is not on a non-EV. All the extra electrical/battery related items are included in the warranty

Studies show that over the life of the EV the savings on average is 4k+.


the tax breaks might be "fleeting" but since you get them right now, it needs to be included in your cost comparison.

As I said, they are not free of maintenance. They have less maintenance.

Its hard to include when it varies depending on one's tax liability.

[Fugus]

Get back on topic. Also, extrapolating personal preferences to make digs at each other's mental state isn't okay either.

Sir, you have to understand, people know exactly what Kellhound is doing and, as much as I get annoyed watching these people feed the pigeons, the fact remains that they largely get away with it with him being a prime example of it. Honestly, I have barely read anything on the site in days because it has mainly been nothing but pigeon shit and pigeon food.

Just like the extent it took for Thwart to finally be removed, things shouldn't be allowed to be pushed as far as they are. When people lie, get confronted and proven it is a lie only to keep pushing that lie or others just as blatant, only to keep being allowed the platform, this is the eventual outcome.

Could we please make intentionally lying an infraction on here? That might help this some if we can prove someone is wrong only to watch them push that same lie again later. That would help with some of this back and forth.

[Shadowferal]

I don't live "Around here" so what people think "Around here" is irrelevant.

Hmm...actually accurate.
My opinion on the education system in Fosani Romania is equally irrelevant.