Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Milchshake]

Pelosi announced "The Plan" months ago. To pass any infrastructure bills together to force the inclusion of the reconciled bill.
Doomers and dO sOmethings ignored the existence of the reconciliation bill to push online engagement.

For anti establishment people that ignored politics until 2015:

• This is a pretty complicated process.
• May be the first time in history it's been attempted.
• Also, one of the larger bills in history.

Here we go! Reconciliation budget is out. Here are the toplines:






If we are able to pass legislation that comes close to how this plan is laid out, it will be one of the most influential pieces of legislation in American history.

[Breccia]

Canada to re-open borders with Americans who
1) have been vaccinated, but also
2) have recently tested negative

...I think.

On September 7, 2021, provided that the domestic epidemiologic situation remains favourable, the Government intends to open Canada’s borders to any fully vaccinated travellers who have completed the full course of vaccination with a Government of Canada-accepted vaccine at least 14 days prior to entering Canada and who meet specific entry requirements.

As a first step, starting August 9, 2021, Canada plans to begin allowing entry to American citizens and permanent residents, who are currently residing in the United States, and have been fully vaccinated at least 14 days prior to entering Canada for non-essential travel. This preliminary step allows for the Government of Canada to fully operationalize the adjusted border measures ahead of September 7, 2021, and recognizes the many close ties between Canadians and Americans.

All travellers, regardless of vaccination status, will still require a pre-entry COVID-19 molecular test result. However effective August 9, 2021, the Government of Canada is adjusting its post-arrival testing strategy for fully vaccinated travellers. Using a new border testing surveillance program at airports and land border crossings, fully vaccinated travellers will not need a post-arrival test unless they have been randomly selected to complete a Day 1 COVID-19 molecular test. There are no changes to the mandatory testing requirements for unvaccinated travellers.

This sounds like "I trust you, but I don't trust you". Naturally, I blame Florida. I live within a brick's throw of the border, I've crossed no exaggeration 100 times at least. The Canadians have never once pulled me over and tossed my trunk. The Americans have plenty of times on the way back, though they never found the *cough* but anyhow, it sounds now like I'd not only need my vaccine card but a negative test -- and they still could randomly stop and swab me. There are some kickass bakeries and butchers in Montreal, but I think they'll need to wait a bit longer.

This is progress. Slow, painful progress. Fuck Florida.

[Milchshake]

Pentagon to require members of US military to get COVID-19 vaccine by Sept. 15, according to memo obtained by AP.


This is huge either way:

• Leads to a large bump in vaccinated numbers.
• Reactionary dumdums quit in protest. A soft de-nazification of the DoD.

[Kaleredar]

Pentagon to require members of US military to get COVID-19 vaccine by Sept. 15, according to memo obtained by AP.


This is huge either way:

• Leads to a large bump in vaccinated numbers.
• Reactionary dumdums quit in protest. A soft de-nazification of the DoD.

I mean it’s not like one can really “quit” the military if their consignment isn’t up.

This sends a good a message. The armed services will obey the law of the land, and the law of the land really wants you to be vaccinated.

[DarkTZeratul]

I mean it’s not like one can really “quit” the military if their consignment isn’t up.

This sends a good a message. The armed services will obey the law of the land, and the law of the land really wants you to be vaccinated.

Anyone in the military should be used to getting a million vaccines, anyway. We vaccinate our troops for literally everything, even things we don't bother vaccinating anyone else for anymore like polio and smallpox.

[Milchshake]

I mean it’s not like one can really “quit” the military if their consignment isn’t up.

This sends a good a message. The armed services will obey the law of the land, and the law of the land really wants you to be vaccinated.

If they BCD out, it gets even better. Taxpayers could be no longer liable for some benefits.

These guys can BCD, then hop straight onto gaming forums, then lie/exaggerate about their service to own da libs.

beaucoup dien cai dau

[Shadowferal]

This sounds like "I trust you, but I don't trust you".

More like "Trust, but verify."

Pentagon to require members of US military to get COVID-19 vaccine by Sept. 15, according to memo obtained by AP. [*]Reactionary dumdums quit in protest. A soft de-nazification of the DoD. [/LIST]

Can't quit if military. Signed contract...every soldier is an asset of the US government. Military law applies, not civil law...

[Fugus]

If they BCD out, it gets even better. Taxpayers could be no longer liable for some benefits.

These guys can BCD, then hop straight onto gaming forums, then lie/exaggerate about their service to own da libs.

beaucoup dien cai dau

Dude, you are given a lot of vaccines before you even make it out of basic training, quite literally before we even left reception to even start training we were given the stuff. I was exempted from one of the shots due to a penicillin allergy that they called "The Peanut Butter Shot" because it felt like you were getting a shot of peanut butter in your butt cheek with how thick it was. But I still got the other 3 or so injections and had to have the pills for the stuff so we could better handle the stuff around the would we could be potentially be exposed to.

It was also weird the entire room was padded to deal with people who signed up to be potentially shot at and killed but cried and passed out at the site of needles and getting a shot.

But they aren't going to get out easily just because they are some conspiracy theorist believing lies, at least not while keeping a discharge they want.

[masterhorus8]

Canada to re-open borders with Americans who
1) have been vaccinated, but also
2) have recently tested negative

...I think.



This sounds like "I trust you, but I don't trust you". Naturally, I blame Florida. I live within a brick's throw of the border, I've crossed no exaggeration 100 times at least. The Canadians have never once pulled me over and tossed my trunk. The Americans have plenty of times on the way back, though they never found the *cough* but anyhow, it sounds now like I'd not only need my vaccine card but a negative test -- and they still could randomly stop and swab me. There are some kickass bakeries and butchers in Montreal, but I think they'll need to wait a bit longer.

This is progress. Slow, painful progress. Fuck Florida.

Not trying to defend Florida, because fuck Florida. I just want to point out that you can still be a carrier even if you have no signs of the virus and are vaccinated, on top of the lambda variant starting up. So I'm all for still testing vaccinated people.

[PhaelixWW]

Not trying to defend Florida, because fuck Florida. I just want to point out that you can still be a carrier even if you have no signs of the virus and are vaccinated, on top of the lambda variant starting up. So I'm all for still testing vaccinated people.

Lambda's really a non-issue right now. I'm not quite sure why everyone is so fixated on it.

[pathora44]

Lambda's really a non-issue right now. I'm not quite sure why everyone is so fixated on it.

Because the longer the virus spreads, jumping from person to person the more likely the virus can mutate. Now the Lambda variant is rearing it's head and this one is supposedly vaccine resistant which could mean even the vaccinated are at risk for serious symptoms. The virus can mutate even further if not more is done into an even deadlier variant. So instead of everyone getting vaccinated that can we have the GQP Death Cult doing everything in their power to keep us in the perpetual pandemic so they can scream "FREEDUMB!" and stick it to the libs.

[PhaelixWW]

Because the longer the virus spreads, jumping from person to person the more likely the virus can mutate. Now the Lambda variant is rearing it's head and this one is supposedly vaccine resistant which could mean even the vaccinated are at risk for serious symptoms. The virus can mutate even further if not more is done into an even deadlier variant. So instead of everyone getting vaccinated that can we have the GQP Death Cult doing everything in their power to keep us in the perpetual pandemic so they can scream "FREEDUMB!" and stick it to the libs.

Lambda is still a non-issue. It doesn't really matter if it's more vaccine resistant unless it propagates. And it's not propagating. It's been around for the same amount of time as delta (since December 2020), and yet its share of the current sampling in the US is only 0.2%, whereas delta is over 90%. Clearly, delta is the most aggressively propagating variant and is pushing the rest out. This is why delta is listed as a variant of concern (VoC) and lambda is only a variant of interest (VoI).

[Breccia]

In a massive double-troll, Biden sends more vaccines to Mexico. "Party of Trump members are claiming they don't want the vaccine, and that illegal immigrants are bringing COVID," Biden is basically saying. "This, therefore, is exactly what they were asking for. They don't need the vaccine, but they can't claim illegal immigrants are infecting them if they're vaccinated. Everyone wins, except them, when their attitude literally kills them."

Then he walked off in a tan suit.

[Benggaul]

Lambda is still a non-issue. It doesn't really matter if it's more vaccine resistant unless it propagates. And it's not propagating. It's been around for the same amount of time as delta (since December 2020), and yet its share of the current sampling in the US is only 0.2%, whereas delta is over 90%. Clearly, delta is the most aggressively propagating variant and is pushing the rest out. This is why delta is listed as a variant of concern (VoC) and lambda is only a variant of interest (VoI).

I think the Columbian variant--which, surprise!, is popping up in Florida and as of late July made up 10% of cases--is the one to watch out for next. No Greek assignation yet, and the studies are still preliminary, but it's looking like it's resistant to antibodies. Here's hoping that turns out not to be true after further study. Biden's popularity has pretty unfairly taken a hit because people refuse to ignore the advice and protect themselves and then blame him and his administration for the current wave. Could make things even worse in 2022 if too many people are scapegoating him.

[PhaelixWW]

I think the Columbian variant--which, surprise!, is popping up in Florida and as of late July made up 10% of cases--is the one to watch out for next.

No, that one is losing to Delta, too.

EDIT: Some more data...

The variant in question is B.1.621 (along with B.1.621.1). It seems to be more serious than the previous variants, but like lambda, it's no match for delta.

You can check out the variant proportions on the CDC website, but it shows:

Dates:	B.1.621:	Delta:
4/25 - 5/8	0.6%	1.3%
5/9 - 5/22	1.1%	3.1%
5/23 - 6/5	2.7%	10.4%
6/6 - 6/19	4.3%	32.0%
6/20 - 7/3	3.4%	62.6%
7/4 - 7/17	2.4%	83.5%
7/18 - 7/31	1.7%	93.4%

So the B.1.621 variant was competitive against the field prior to the expansion of delta, but once delta reached the 50% threshold, it started crowding out the B.1.621 variant's expansion. Even looking just at region 4 (which includes Florida), B.1.621 topped out at about 6.1%. The most recent report has it at only 2.2%.

[Dontrike]

In a massive double-troll, Biden sends more vaccines to Mexico. "Party of Trump members are claiming they don't want the vaccine, and that illegal immigrants are bringing COVID," Biden is basically saying. "This, therefore, is exactly what they were asking for. They don't need the vaccine, but they can't claim illegal immigrants are infecting them if they're vaccinated. Everyone wins, except them, when their attitude literally kills them."

Then he walked off in a tan suit.

The party of "it's just the flu" is worried about a flu being brought in.

[postman1782]

The party of "it's just the flu" is worried about a flu being brought in.

Don't forget it was a planned hoax at the same time.

[Draco-Onis]

The party of "it's just the flu" is worried about a flu being brought in.

You see though the flu is being brought by brown people so it's super scary now.

[Dontrike]

You see though the flu is being brought by brown people so it's super scary now.

It's the spicy kind of flu.

[Biglog]

The right has uber-politicized getting vaccinated since Trump didn't want a pandemic affecting his re-election attempt, which created this anti-mask/anti-vaxx segment in the military. But I think sometimes people miss the forest for the trees. Russia mandated their entire military get the Russian version the Sputnik shot starting LAST April, before it was even tested at all. So they got it as ordered and they are fine. They didn't create a political movement that it's artificially some sort of "deep personal choice" (a person could say that about their drink selection at McDonald's). We all got polio shots and lived, because it was for the greater good.

More importantly, the double-standards are rich. When Trump was President, nearly every day when he gave a morally questionable directive we were told by the right that he is Commander-in-Chief, with ultimate authority, that the military and everyone in the government tied to the executive branch "serves at the discretion" of the President. When the shoe is on the other foot now, that is flipped that every order is one to be questioned. Huh. Same for people that say something as small wearing a mask is a massive infringement on their personal rights and space. Yet they want to control what other people say and do, who they marry, what they do behind closed doors.