1. #9841
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Biden fucked up in that he didn't do enough to clean up Trump's mess as we know Trump is a screw up and pretty much everything he negotiate or touches dies because he can't negotiate for crap when all the other people have to do is praise him and he gives them what they want so long as it doesn't come out of his personal pocket. But you have less than zero way of explaining how what Biden has done isn't still better than what Trump was sending us down.
    I'm not convinced that there is really anything President Biden could really have done better. We are getting out of Afghanistan with close to zero casualties, and for the most part the people that want to leave Afghanistan will be able to do so. The same press, explicitly including the the NY Times, that was cheerleaders in chief for Bush when he made up his lies about Iraq and Afghanistan 20 years ago are now trying to inflict as much damage on President Biden as they can. They will somewhat succeed.

    But this time next year? Republicans MIGHT be able to make a campaign issue out of it, but if it weren't this it would be something else. Meanwhile, here are some realities.

    Right now, polls show that in a month, the recall election of Governor Newsome will succeed and he will be replaced by Larry Elder. Once he becomes governor, discussions about him being Governor of California will overwhelm pretty much everything else for a while. Republicans may try to resurrect Afghanistan as an issue, but mostly no one will care, and for the most part people will be content that Afghanistan is behind us.

    The Biden Honeymoon is now officially over. Oh well, but it was winding down anyways. One effect of this is that the slim hopes of an infrastructure plan being passed are over, and if something DOES pass it will be something very favorable to republicans. This is probably the biggest long term effect of our withdrawal from Afghanistan. President Biden will have his popularity float between maybe 45 on bad days up to around 55 of good days, a bit lower than it's been, but this was going to happen anyways.


    And, it's not clear that republicans will be able to do much damage for the long term.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rural-nc-...083000354.html

    Title: Rural NC counties are shrinking. Republican policies aren’t helping at all.

    The gist of the article is that the republican one party rule in North Carolina (facilitated by very effective gerrymandering and voter suppression) has done a pretty good job of decimating the rural areas of North Carolina. Republicans have pretty much crushed rural North Carolina.

    The General Assembly’s Republican majority overwhelmingly represents rural North Carolina, but rural North Carolina has little to show for it.

    Actually, it has less to show for it. Of the state’s 100 counties, 51 mostly rural counties lost population in a census report issued this month, even as booming urban areas increased the state’s population by 9.5 percent. Rebecca Tippett, the director of Carolina Demography at UNC-Chapel Hill, said, “More counties than expected lost population and the losses were larger than expected.”
    The article is quite long, but it pretty much explains why rural Americans are fleeing their areas and moving to urban areas. Basically, over time this means fewer republicans voting and more democrats voting. Republican voting crap will only work but for so long.

    To summarize: The NY Times is leading a media effort to punish President Biden as much as possible for the Afghanistan withdrawal. It will somewhat succeed, especially in the short run. But in the long run, there are issues a LOT more important to Americans than Afghanistan. And republicans only care about it for now because it is being used as a weapon to attack President Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rural-nc-...083000354.html

    Title: Rural NC counties are shrinking. Republican policies aren’t helping at all.

    The gist of the article is that the republican one party rule in North Carolina (facilitated by very effective gerrymandering and voter suppression) has done a pretty good job of decimating the rural areas of North Carolina. Republicans have pretty much crushed rural North Carolina.



    The article is quite long, but it pretty much explains why rural Americans are fleeing their areas and moving to urban areas. Basically, over time this means fewer republicans voting and more democrats voting. Republican voting crap will only work but for so long.

    To summarize: The NY Times is leading a media effort to punish President Biden as much as possible for the Afghanistan withdrawal. It will somewhat succeed, especially in the short run. But in the long run, there are issues a LOT more important to Americans than Afghanistan. And republicans only care about it for now because it is being used as a weapon to attack President Biden.
    I actually live in North Carolina, in the Hope Mills/Fayetteville area about 30 minutes from Fort Bragg.

    This place isn't even rural where it is worse and the Republicans here are largely fact immune. They blame liberals and Democrats for their problems and not the consequences of their own party.

    They also are largely hypocrites when it comes to politics. They have no issues with gerrymandering or anything else to get them power, regardless of what the will of the people say. It's only unfair if it doesn't give Republicans power. If the public votes against them, then the laws need to change to make sure those "Uneducated liberals" don't get power, but if it gives Republicans power, "It's the will of the people".

    Out of this entire last 12 years, I only saw a single Republicans say "Enough" and he didn't even largely stop supporting them, he just stopped openly supporting Trump and pivoted to, "I don't really follow politics and just liked to stir the pot".

    Republicans getting hurt due to their parties isn't going to change stuff here largely, it will take them dying out while the newer generations grow up more educated them them to really change it.
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  3. #9843
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    I actually live in North Carolina, in the Hope Mills/Fayetteville area about 30 minutes from Fort Bragg.

    This place isn't even rural where it is worse and the Republicans here are largely fact immune. They blame liberals and Democrats for their problems and not the consequences of their own party.

    They also are largely hypocrites when it comes to politics. They have no issues with gerrymandering or anything else to get them power, regardless of what the will of the people say. It's only unfair if it doesn't give Republicans power. If the public votes against them, then the laws need to change to make sure those "Uneducated liberals" don't get power, but if it gives Republicans power, "It's the will of the people".

    Out of this entire last 12 years, I only saw a single Republicans say "Enough" and he didn't even largely stop supporting them, he just stopped openly supporting Trump and pivoted to, "I don't really follow politics and just liked to stir the pot".

    Republicans getting hurt due to their parties isn't going to change stuff here largely, it will take them dying out while the newer generations grow up more educated them them to really change it.
    I hear you, and I believe it. If this trend continues, then the US will fall not just a little bit, but a lot. I hope that something happens to change the dynamics that you describe here. I've seen it here in Georgia as well. On the other hand, if enough people move out of the rural areas and into urban areas, well maybe that will change some people's minds. Especially since the people that DO move are more likely to be fed up with republican behaviors, at least be not in favor of it.

  4. #9844
    if republicans gain control of 3 branches the us becomes hungary, dems are only +1 in generic and they need like +8 to keep the house. I honestly feel the public just isnt good enough for democracy if they look at the craziness from the gop qanon, anti vaxx, anti mask and endorse it with a victory. Basically every manual laboror i see is a trump voter who believes in these nonsense, your never going to win them with an economic message, the big mistake with biden was thinking they actually wanted a populist policy ( end the war, go after big business, help people financially) and the electorate werent just deplorable unreedemable people as hillary suggested.
    also trying to placate these people has also dented his suburban middle class base that carried him in 2020 , while not gaining any ground with the working class, things are looking bad for 2022
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  5. #9845
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1907384.html

    Well this is a wild one...Apparently, according to Fox, it's all Jill Biden's fault that she allowed her husband Joe Biden to run for president.

  6. #9846
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1907384.html

    Well this is a wild one...Apparently, according to Fox, it's all Jill Biden's fault that she allowed her husband Joe Biden to run for president.
    "Hm, attacking Joe Biden on Afghanistan isn't working. Is there a way we can shift the blame to a woman, somehow? That always works!"

  7. #9847
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    "Hm, attacking Joe Biden on Afghanistan isn't working. Is there a way we can shift the blame to a woman, somehow? That always works!"
    Isn't it interesting how they, intentionally or not, almost always manage to find a way to blame something on those damned dames?

    I mean...women, amirite guis?

  8. #9848
    Last Week Tonight with John Oliver Episode about Afghanistan just released recently.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykZyuWci3g
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    Fixed your quote, we must make sure we stay accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BronzeCondor View Post
    Made a lie of your quote, we must make sure we stay accurate.
    Fixed your quote, we must make sure we stay accurate.


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    The right has been trying hard since inauguration day to find absolutely anything about Biden to bash (ex. picking a dandelion?) and has often tried to get various #ImpeachBiden, #StepDown, etc. tags trending. It's comical considering the GOP led Senate wouldn't impeach Trump after colluding with Russia on trying to rig the election, nor inciting and supporting a treasonous insurrection. And now the right is actually pushing the idea that Biden should step down simply after the first decision they disagree with. Not to mention a decision supported by Trump in Afghanistan which he set in motion with the Doha Agreement when he was President.

    Back to a reality check, there is a 0% chance Biden will step down and absolutely no chance of being impeached. The double-standard is wild. But in the real-world (where reinstatement also does not exist) most incumbent Presidents do win re-election. It has to be a rare quite disastrous President like Carter or Trump to be the exception, since the incumbent gets such an advantage at voting time. In fact, if age does not claim him most likely Biden will be President for another 7 1/2 years. The ongoing attempts using any angle possible to overturn the monitored/rightful/verified/certified election results of 2020, including pushing nonsense "step down" talk, are an attack on Democracy, not just Democrats.

  12. #9852
    Quote Originally Posted by Biglog View Post
    The right has been trying hard since inauguration day to find absolutely anything about Biden to bash (ex. picking a dandelion?) and has often tried to get various #ImpeachBiden, #StepDown, etc. tags trending. It's comical considering the GOP led Senate wouldn't impeach Trump after colluding with Russia on trying to rig the election, nor inciting and supporting a treasonous insurrection. And now the right is actually pushing the idea that Biden should step down simply after the first decision they disagree with. Not to mention a decision supported by Trump in Afghanistan which he set in motion with the Doha Agreement when he was President.

    Back to a reality check, there is a 0% chance Biden will step down and absolutely no chance of being impeached. The double-standard is wild. But in the real-world (where reinstatement also does not exist) most incumbent Presidents do win re-election. It has to be a rare quite disastrous President like Carter or Trump to be the exception, since the incumbent gets such an advantage at voting time. In fact, if age does not claim him most likely Biden will be President for another 7 1/2 years. The ongoing attempts using any angle possible to overturn the monitored/rightful/verified/certified election results of 2020, including pushing nonsense "step down" talk, are an attack on Democracy, not just Democrats.
    If you pay attention to politics long enough, you'll see that this is part of the cycle of Antagonism that happens with every elected President.

    It's hypocritical, and stupid. Usually fodder for the less experienced political-minded individuals or those who like tit-for-tat political BS.

  13. #9853
    I see the pigeon has returned and begging for food again….
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  14. #9854
    Biden caving to taliban declaration and saying the US will be out by the august 31 deadline. Psaki has come out and said that Americans are not "stranded" even though they have to be in hiding and can not get to the airport...not sure what word you would use outside of stranded. Adam Schiff came out and said that based on his briefing there is no way they can be out by August 31. Adam Schiff, the guy who hates Republicans more then anything says the President is wrong.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/polit...ine/index.html
    Here's a quote from the ultra right wing media about the evacuation:
    "When the embassy was evacuated and our personnel started to make their way from the embassy in Kabul to the secure facility on the airport compound, many if not all of our locally engaged staff were not present on the embassy compound at that time. They were working remotely given the volatile security situation; many were at home, were not at work," he said.
    CNN reported last week that the embassy on Wednesday sent a notice to the thousands of locally employed staff telling them they can go to the airport for an evacuation flight, but some of the Afghans who made it into the airport were bloodied and distraught, having lost most of their belongings along the way, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.
    Others decided they didn't even want to pursue the perilous journey, though they desperately want to get out of the country. Still others who did take the risk had to turn back after facing untenable situations.

    "I decided I would rather the Taliban shoot me in the head to being stuck in that situation," said one Afghan who worked at the embassy for years, in describing his journey to CNN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BronzeCondor View Post
    Fixed your quote, we must make sure we stay accurate.
    They are ignoring that the administration said they would give repeated updates on Afghanistan. If you do like all of them do on this board and invoke Trump, they would be saying the same thing you are about the administration. It's more of the hypocrisy that they live in. Notice how many are absent from this discussion, because they know there is no defense of Biden's administration. Instead they post covid numbers and whines in the Trump thread. They off topic whine because they can't bring themselves to criticize Biden. They all support Biden, that's what they said when they voted for him. They support the way he withdrew from Afghanistan. According to them, simply voting for Biden makes them support him, that is why they are silent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    Biden caving to taliban declaration and saying the US will be out by the august 31 deadline.
    That's an interesting way of saying that Biden upheld the deal that Trump made with the Taliban.


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  16. #9856
    What are the chances that Biden addresses the teleprompter and exits the podium immediately after (again)?

    "America is Back" - We are absent of leadership when the country, and the world, is looking for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    They are ignoring that the administration said they would give repeated updates on Afghanistan. If you do like all of them do on this board and invoke Trump, they would be saying the same thing you are about the administration. It's more of the hypocrisy that they live in. Notice how many are absent from this discussion, because they know there is no defense of Biden's administration. Instead they post covid numbers and whines in the Trump thread. They off topic whine because they can't bring themselves to criticize Biden. They all support Biden, that's what they said when they voted for him. They support the way he withdrew from Afghanistan. According to them, simply voting for Biden makes them support him, that is why they are silent.
    okay Tucker, okay Sean, okay Lauren, okay~

    like, there has been plenty of criticism of Biden's lack of action but hey don't let those facts get in the way of your feelings. I mean what do you think would happen if Biden came out months prior to this and said we would be accepting tens of thousands of Afghan refugee's into the country? the right wing would shit a brick and say this was all an attempt to replace white people with brown Muslims.


    oh wait that happened anyway, whoops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    okay Tucker, okay Sean, okay Lauren, okay~

    like, there has been plenty of criticism of Biden's lack of action but hey don't let those facts get in the way of your feelings. I mean what do you think would happen if Biden came out months prior to this and said he would be accepting tens of thousands of Afghan refugee's into the country? the right wing would shit a brick and say this was all an attempt to replace white people with brown Muslims.


    oh wait that happened anyway, whoops!
    The same right wing that's saying "any Afghans who helped US forces should be relocated to the US"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    I mean what do you think would happen if Biden came out months prior to this and said we would be accepting tens of thousands of Afghan refugee's into the country? the right wing would shit a brick and say this was all an attempt to replace white people with brown Muslims.
    He'd have needed a miracle to make that happen given the fairly extensive reporting on how the Trump administration under the guidance of wannabe-Nazi with spray-on-hair Stephen Miller more or less destroyed the application process before leaving office.

    It's hilarious how pro-refugee some conservatives have suddenly become as long as nobody uses the term "refugee".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BronzeCondor View Post
    The same right wing that's saying "any Afghans who helped US forces should be relocated to the US"?
    Now.

    They are saying this now while for years they ignored them. And it’s only because there’s a Democratic President.
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