Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[PhaelixWW]

The same right wing that's saying "any Afghans who helped US forces should be relocated to the US"?

The same right wing who will decry anything that the left does simply because the left does it.

There's no other rhyme or reason to it; the GoP should have choked on their own hypocrisy by now.

[uuuhname]

The same right wing that's saying "any Afghans who helped US forces should be relocated to the US"?

hmmmmm.

He'd have needed a miracle to make that happen given the fairly extensive reporting on how the Trump administration under the guidance of wannabe-Nazi with spray-on-hair Stephen Miller more or less destroyed the application process before leaving office.

It's hilarious how pro-refugee some conservatives have suddenly become as long as nobody uses the term "refugee".

if any of these clowns really meant that they would have done something about it.

[BronzeCondor]

There's no other rhyme or reason to it; the GoP should have choked on their own hypocrisy by now.

The Democrats certainly are, lol.

During the Trump Admin: "Trump is a bad leader, people are losing faith in America, allies don't trust us"
Afghanistan Pull-Out: "Hold my Beer"

[Edge-]

The Democrats certainly are, lol.

During the Trump Admin: "Trump is a bad leader, people are losing faith in America, allies don't trust us"
Afghanistan Pull-Out: "Hold my Beer"

What is this, like the 12th flaming bag of shit that Republican presidents have handed Democratic presidents and then we have Republicans going, "OOOHHHHH YOU GOT SHIT ALL OVER YOUR HANDS YOU'RE SO BAAAAAAAD!"

Nobody outside of those in the conservative groupthink buys this malarky. We can accept and criticize Biden for screwing up, but he was handed a flaming bag of shit. I'm just tired of conservatives being so deep in the rabbit hole that they can't use any critical thinking capacity to understand context for anything.

[BronzeCondor]

What is this, like the 12th flaming bag of shit that Republican presidents have handed Democratic presidents and then we have Republicans going, "OOOHHHHH YOU GOT SHIT ALL OVER YOUR HANDS YOU'RE SO BAAAAAAAD!"

Nobody outside of those in the conservative groupthink buys this malarky. We can accept and criticize Biden for screwing up, but he was handed a flaming bag of shit. I'm just tired of conservatives being so deep in the rabbit hole that they can't use any critical thinking capacity to understand context for anything.

I would say it's more along the lines of "Here's a bag of shit we did the courtesy of wrapping up to protect your hands, please don't mess this up and deliver it on time". Now you have the blame game going around in Washington for whose fault it was for unwrapping the bag, then re-wrapping it, and praying no one notices. (And if they do, blame Trump).

Biden's Admin has been in office for... going on ~7 months now. With the Afghanistan issue being a big, foreseeable, Foreign Policy event. There was plenty of time to re-negotiate, re-plan, if they saw an issue with Trump's plan. Instead, we had the mysterious late night pull out of Bagram, that no one seemed to know about, then we have this crisis in Kabul? Yes, this is Trump's plan, it's his fault this happened!

Please, take some personal responsibility on behalf of your preferred party or get off the crapper.

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What is this, like the 12th flaming bag of shit that Republican presidents have handed Democratic presidents and then we have Republicans going, "OOOHHHHH YOU GOT SHIT ALL OVER YOUR HANDS YOU'RE SO BAAAAAAAD!"

Nobody outside of those in the conservative groupthink buys this malarky. We can accept and criticize Biden for screwing up, but he was handed a flaming bag of shit. I'm just tired of conservatives being so deep in the rabbit hole that they can't use any critical thinking capacity to understand context for anything.

I'd go a step further.

They know there's nothing to actually criticize, so they put these flaming bags of shit on the Dem's doorsteps, so to speak, because they know there's no clean way for them to dispose of it, and then they can taunt them for getting shit on their hands or whatever.

If they had valid conduct/policy arguments, they wouldn't need to rely on these kinds of "gotchas" set up by Republicans. They'd just go after them directly. But they can't, because those grounds don't exist, so here we are. Biden's the worst because he failed to completely solve an incredibly shitty circumstance that Trump created and handed to him to deal with. Or something.

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I would say it's more along the lines of "Here's a bag of shit we did the courtesy of wrapping up to protect your hands, please don't mess this up and deliver it on time". Now you have the blame game going around in Washington for whose fault it was for unwrapping the bag, then re-wrapping it, and praying no one notices. (And if they do, blame Trump).

Biden's Admin has been in office for... going on ~7 months now. With the Afghanistan issue being a big, foreseeable, Foreign Policy event. There was plenty of time to re-negotiate, re-plan, if they saw an issue with Trump's plan. Instead, not much seemed to change and we had the mysterious late night pull out of Bagram, that no one seemed to know about, then we have this crisis in Kabul?

Please, take some personal responsibility on behalf of your preferred party or get off the crapper.

You say, as you deflect any responsibility for those who set this whole process up in the first place.

You have no shame at all.

[BronzeCondor]

You say, as you deflect any responsibility for those who set this whole process up in the first place.

You have no shame at all.

Biden admitted the buck stops with him, I don't know why Trump matters in the conversation when discussing how this went so bad.

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Biden admitted the buck stops with him, I don't know why Trump matters in the conversation when discussing how this went so bad.

Yet more deflection and refusal to accept responsibility on behalf of your preferred party.

Do you need some Immodium? Are you okay in there?

[Shadowferal]

Had they stuck to Trump's initial plan the pullout would've been months earlier...and likely more fucked up since Trump was inept at preparation.

[BronzeCondor]

Yet more deflection and refusal to accept responsibility on behalf of your preferred party.

Do you need some Immodium? Are you okay in there?

I'm sorry if you don't agree with the President of the United States, but it's his words, not mine.

I made the decision. The buck stops with me. I took the consensus opinion. The consensus opinion was, in fact, it would not occur it if occurred, until later in the year. It was my decision.

[Edge-]

I'm sorry if you don't agree with the President of the United States, but it's his words, not mine.

A stark contrast from Mr. "I take no responsibility."

[Blur4stuff]

The exit could have started smoother, but the media (right wing in particular) is dramatizing it more than it deserves for ratings. Obviously Trump supporters are acting like it's a complete disaster because that makes them feel better.

So yes, Biden deserves some criticism. But no, it's not the disaster that some are making it out to be.

Can you imagine Trump actually accepting responsibility for anything? This is the guy that used a sharpie to extend the reach of a hurricane because he didn't want to admit to being wrong.

It's refreshing to have a President that doesn't pull narcissist shit like that.

[PhaelixWW]

I would say it's more along the lines of "Here's a bag of shit we did the courtesy of wrapping up to protect your hands, please don't mess this up and deliver it on time".

A bag of shit that was wrapped up in a shitty "peace treaty" deal with the Taliban, releasing 5000 of them just so that Trump could announce the "peace deal" in the lead-up to his re-election campaign. The Taliban basically bent Trump over the Resolute Desk and had their way with him.

Biden is trying to make the best of a raw, shitty deal left to him by the Trump Administration. And he certainly hasn't been perfect, but he's been trying to abide by the original terms of said raw, shitty deal. A deal that was so bad, Trump officials are now backpedaling like crazy to distance themselves from it, because that's just what shitty politicians do.

One side is pretending like the deal wasn't theirs in the first place, and the other side is trying to make the bad deal work, rather than break it just because their political rivals made it.

Biden's Admin has been in office for... going on ~7 months now. With the Afghanistan issue being a big, foreseeable, Foreign Policy event. There was plenty of time to re-negotiate, re-plan, if they saw an issue with Trump's plan.

Was there time to recapture those 5000 Taliban, too? What a joke.

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Biden admitted the buck stops with him, I don't know why Trump matters in the conversation when discussing how this went so bad.

Do you not know the difference between culpability and responsibility?

That makes sense, I guess.

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Was there time to recapture those 5000 Taliban, too? What a joke.

Hey, Mike Pompeo got some sweet pictures with him and Taliban leadership out of that deal. I'd say that's worth releasing thousands of prisoners and then letting the Taliban subsequently release ISIS prisoners they weren't supposed to.

Because what's our response to them violating the deal...starting the war back up? Fuckin toppest of keks.

[BronzeCondor]

The exit could have started smoother, but the media (right wing in particular) is dramatizing it more than it deserves for ratings. Obviously Trump supporters are acting like it's a complete disaster because that makes them feel better.

So yes, Biden deserves some criticism. But no, it's not the disaster that some are making it out to be.

You're downplaying something that is receiving equal bi-partisan & international outcry. Everyone's either laughing at the US right now, or is ashamed.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1362884918028730371

[PhaelixWW]

Hey, Mike Pompeo got some sweet pictures with him and Taliban leadership out of that deal. I'd say that's worth releasing thousands of prisoners and then letting the Taliban subsequently release ISIS prisoners they weren't supposed to.

Because what's our response to them violating the deal...starting the war back up? Fuckin toppest of keks.

Trump basically salted the earth with that deal. One wonders in what level of fuckery he would have engaged had he actually been re-elected. My guess? He would have abandoned everything there without a second glance.

It's not like he's not already on record calling the military "suckers" and "losers", right?

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Everyone's either laughing at the US right now, or is ashamed.

Except... they're really not.

[Edge-]

It's not like he's not already on record calling the military "suckers" and "losers", right?

That would have been his strategy. Blame the generals, whom he now hates, and replace them for fucking everything up while taking no responsibility.

You know, the thing he spent his whole term doing.

There sure is a lot of projection from conservatives onto the other countries of the world that they said they didn't care about for the past four years. America First!...sometimes, when it suits us.

[Orange Joe]

You're downplaying something that is receiving equal bi-partisan & international outcry. Everyone's either laughing at the US right now, or is ashamed.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1362884918028730371

You guys didn't seem to care what they thought when Trump was president. Why concern troll now?

[BronzeCondor]

Great press conference, typical ending.

Reporter: "Can you guarantee that all Americans would be safely removed from Afghanistan"
Biden: "Here's my back, talk to it, I'm outta hereeeee!"

You guys didn't seem to care what they thought when Trump was president. Why concern troll now?

Is this a Whataboutism?

[Orange Joe]

Is this a Whataboutism?

From what I understand of the term, no. I'm not trying to change the issue, nor am I trying to change the target. I'm simply asking why you guys suddenly care if people laugh at the US when you didn't when Trump was president.