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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    And hopefully they never get used but it's still wise to build them: Maintaining the industrial capability is important and having a strong well armed and well maintained military is just as vital.
    Because reasons.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

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    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    this right to repair stuff being picked up by the FTC is good likes. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/doc...ystatement.pdf

    + this helping it along https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...rican-economy/

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    Biden trolls FOX News.

    I'm not being a wise guy now, you know, one of those other networks is not a big fan of mine, one you talk about a lot, but if you notice, as they say in the southern part of my state.

    They've had an altar call, some of those guys. All of a sudden they're out there saying, let’s get vaccinated. Let’s get vaccinated. The very people before this were saying ... I shouldn't make fun of it. That's good.
    We posted the Hannity thing recently. Biden is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Biden trolls FOX News.



    We posted the Hannity thing recently. Biden is correct.
    I don't know if this is from his town hall this evening, but he came across about as good as could be reasonably expected. He tried real hard to obliterate political memes that make it hard to actually govern and talk about down to earth logistical plans on what can and cannot be done. Unfortunately, almost all of the questions were so filled with political crap that he basically had to almost verbally abuse the reporter because his or her soundbites were so political in nature. Then he would get on to nuts and bolts issues and how he was trying to make things better (or keep things from getting worse).

    Unfortunately, the US media and US citizens don't want to hear any of the nuts and bolts issues. All they want to discuss is the soundbite political memes that are so unrelated to reality that it is not important whether or not there is any relation to what is being said, and reality. Ultimately, this means that not even simple problems can be fixed

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    Garland moves to separate DoJ from White House.

    "Why would he do that?"

    (points at last four years, incluing Barr)

    "Oh. Right."

    Garland also moved to block the FBI and others from seizing info about reporters. It was for exactly the same reason.

    "These moves were necessary," Garland didn't say but I'm pretending he did. "Remember that time someone said, during a debate, that he'd prosecute his political rival? Yeah, that's third-world dictatorship shit. Not in my country, motherfuckers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Biden trolls FOX News.
    I'm not being a wise guy now, you know, one of those other networks is not a big fan of mine, one you talk about a lot, but if you notice, as they say in the southern part of my state.

    They've had an altar call, some of those guys. All of a sudden they're out there saying, let’s get vaccinated. Let’s get vaccinated. The very people before this were saying ... I shouldn't make fun of it. That's good.
    We posted the Hannity thing recently. Biden is correct.
    I'm see this 180 from Fox and a number of networks and their executives (including NewsMax). I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing. Because it can't be any kind of resurgence of the virus - we were at a much larger criticality last year at this time and they were balls to the wall anti-vaxxing Trump cuck suckers.

    Why are they doing this now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm see this 180 from Fox and a number of networks and their executives (including NewsMax). I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing. Because it can't be any kind of resurgence of the virus - we were at a much larger criticality last year at this time and they were balls to the wall anti-vaxxing Trump cuck suckers.

    Why are they doing this now?
    Maybe they finally realized that unless they clean up their act, this has the potential to kill off many of their viewers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm see this 180 from Fox and a number of networks and their executives (including NewsMax). I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing. Because it can't be any kind of resurgence of the virus - we were at a much larger criticality last year at this time and they were balls to the wall anti-vaxxing Trump cuck suckers.

    Why are they doing this now?
    At this point last year they hadn’t yet hoisted themselves on their own petard and lost the executive and legislative branches.

    For as much as people talk about republicans foisting draconian voting restrictions (which they are indeed doing) and being poised to make big gains in the house in 2022 the republicans are still staring down the inevitable barrel of complete demographic collapse. Preemptively killing and otherwise enfeebling the few demographics that still vote for them hastens that demise, especially because it’s pointedly happening in states they control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    maybe they realize tanks are almost worthless at this point vs air and missile power. You can take out tanks with cheap drones at this point very easily and launch missiles from a bunker in florida with a computer terminal and hit them from a thousand miles away.
    Or rather because most NATO countries aren't actually serious in having strong capable militaries and instead the money is spent to keep certain people in certain areas employed. If anyone wants to talk about the military industrial complex look no further then Europe.

    Some exceptions: Poland for instance decided to buy Turkish combat drones that were such a game changer when they were used against Armenia, along with F-35s and 250 modern upgraded M1 Abrams. They've also talked about buying cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm see this 180 from Fox and a number of networks and their executives (including NewsMax). I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing. Because it can't be any kind of resurgence of the virus - we were at a much larger criticality last year at this time and they were balls to the wall anti-vaxxing Trump cuck suckers.

    Why are they doing this now?
    It has to be a class a action lawsuit, just like the false voting claims. The only thing Fox reacts to is the possibility of losing money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    At this point last year they hadn’t yet hoisted themselves on their own petard and lost the executive and legislative branches.

    For as much as people talk about republicans foisting draconian voting restrictions (which they are indeed doing) and being poised to make big gains in the house in 2022 the republicans are still staring down the inevitable barrel of complete demographic collapse. Preemptively killing and otherwise enfeebling the few demographics that still vote for them hastens that demise, especially because it’s pointedly happening in states they control.
    Republicans are no longer worried about the demographic changes, they plan on continuing down this path. They will keep tightening laws and the rules to keep power so killing their own people is no big deal. It's obvious democrats don't have the balls to do anything about it nor will they ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Garland moves to separate DoJ from White House.

    "Why would he do that?"

    (points at last four years, incluing Barr)

    "Oh. Right."

    Garland also moved to block the FBI and others from seizing info about reporters. It was for exactly the same reason.

    "These moves were necessary," Garland didn't say but I'm pretending he did. "Remember that time someone said, during a debate, that he'd prosecute his political rival? Yeah, that's third-world dictatorship shit. Not in my country, motherfuckers."

    Personally I would love to see strenuous prosecution of the previous regime.

    But ask yourself, how would Beltway Pundits frame any prosecutions? I'd bet my children that a plurality of the framing would include "Dems on a Witchhunt?" "Garland Purges the GOP".

    Case in point: Framing of the 1/6 Commission


    Note how Chris Cillizza preemptively surrenders the press's agency—its ability to *judge for itself* 1/6 Committee findings—& totally buys the trope that only bipartisan = fair/worthwhile. Just after murdering any meaning to the word bipartisan. Democrats will still have a bipartisan committee (featuring Liz Cheney), with full subpoena power, that will be televised for weeks.


    Republicans are the protagonists of the news ... they throw the most tweeatble parties in MaraLago.

    Who wrote the following: a GOP spokesman or another Beltway reporter?
    Rs were opposed to select committee probe from start. If they were on the committee, they would be forced to confront questions over Trump’s role in Jan. 6.
    Now they believe they can easily paint the probe as a witch-hunt and not have any role in it
    “A total gift,” one R said


    Too many people romanticize the media as Ed Murrow types. When he was just a blip in the 200+ years of mass communications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Personally I would love to see strenuous prosecution of the previous regime.

    But ask yourself, how would Beltway Pundits frame any prosecutions? I'd bet my children that a plurality of the framing would include "Dems on a Witchhunt?" "Garland Purges the GOP".

    Case in point: Framing of the 1/6 Commission


    Note how Chris Cillizza preemptively surrenders the press's agency—its ability to *judge for itself* 1/6 Committee findings—& totally buys the trope that only bipartisan = fair/worthwhile. Just after murdering any meaning to the word bipartisan. Democrats will still have a bipartisan committee (featuring Liz Cheney), with full subpoena power, that will be televised for weeks.


    Republicans are the protagonists of the news ... they throw the most tweeatble parties in MaraLago.

    Who wrote the following: a GOP spokesman or another Beltway reporter?
    Rs were opposed to select committee probe from start. If they were on the committee, they would be forced to confront questions over Trump’s role in Jan. 6.
    Now they believe they can easily paint the probe as a witch-hunt and not have any role in it
    “A total gift,” one R said


    Too many people romanticize the media as Ed Murrow types. When he was just a blip in the 200+ years of mass communications.
    Frankly I don’t care how they “frame” it if the committee is capable of taking actual legal action.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm see this 180 from Fox and a number of networks and their executives (including NewsMax). I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing. Because it can't be any kind of resurgence of the virus - we were at a much larger criticality last year at this time and they were balls to the wall anti-vaxxing Trump cuck suckers.

    Why are they doing this now?
    I'm pretty sure it's as simple as someone drawing the connection between "vaccination rates are way lower in red states" and "basically the only people dying from the virus are the unvaccinated, now". They've effectively been telling their base to kill themselves, and their base has been doing so, and they realized what that's likely to mean in future elections.

    So, change of tune practically overnight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    Or rather because most NATO countries aren't actually serious in having strong capable militaries and instead the money is spent to keep certain people in certain areas employed.
    Failing to see how this is a bad thing unless you're worried your tax dollars might go towards helping poor people rather than killing brown people.

    Most people prefer butter. Go figure.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing.
    My first thought was right up your alley: FOX News is afraid they'll be sued for intentionally spreading what they know to be misinformation that kills people.

    FOX News, like any news agency or opinion-based entertainment pretendeing to be one, does make appearances on Twitter, FB, and YouTube. These platforms can and will kick you off for saying things like "the vaccines have Bezos chips that track how often you buy wavy Pringles instead of the regular kind". But they also broadcast directly. This opens them to liability for these same actions. If they're caught saying "vaccines are fake and the disease is harmless" they could be sues for millions, or individuals there could be sued for promoting/allowing it.

    But, yes, why now?

    I think @Ursus @Endus and @Kaleredar are correct. The red states, FOX News watchers I'm sure, have intentionally chosen not to get vaccinated. Now, Fauci says some huge percent (95% or more) of the dying are unvaccinated. Besides the obvious loss of watchers, besides the fact that classic Republicans might get angry and turn that dial, they're worried about the intentional change of demographics by mass suicide cult changing the upcoming votes. You know who doesn't vote? Dead people. (Yes yes @Edge- will remind me that some dead Republicans voted)

    They're trying to get out in front of this. But it might be too late. A swing in vaccine acceptance due to FOX News, McConnell, and other classic Republicans isn't going to be quick. We all know it's the Party of Trump. It still seems so strange, even by rabid fanbase standards, that the Party of Trump has been saying "it's such a good thing Trump pushed through that vaccine that is clearly an untested hoax with Microsoft OS". That's a level of contradiction I didn't think even they were capable of. The remaining classic Republicans never had that issue, and are trying to nudge the rest out of that uniquely illogical zone that only Trump supporters can occupy.

    But all they can do is nudge.

    What this will take, is Trump holding off on the "election was stolen" traitorous assault on democracy and actually hold a press conference saying "Look, I made the vaccine, I did it all by myself with no help whatsoever. That's why it's the best bestiest best vaccine ever made by a human. Get it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I'm see this 180 from Fox and a number of networks and their executives (including NewsMax). I would give good money to know what changed their minds, or is causing this swing. Because it can't be any kind of resurgence of the virus - we were at a much larger criticality last year at this time and they were balls to the wall anti-vaxxing Trump cuck suckers.

    Why are they doing this now?

    Because it's affecting their wallet.
    The grifters in conservative media don't give a shit if a few % of their audience dies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Frankly I don’t care how they “frame” it if the committee is capable of taking actual legal action.
    You're going to be disappointed. They don't have prosecutorial powers. They're not the executive branch. The only legal action they can take is issuing subpoenas.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post

    Because it's affecting their wallet.
    The grifters in conservative media don't give a shit if a few % of their audience dies.



    You're going to be disappointed. They don't have prosecutorial powers. They're not the executive branch. The only legal action they can take is issuing subpoenas.
    Yeah, it's all financial for FOX. They don't give a shit about people too stupid to get vaccinated, considering everyone there is vaccinated, yet spread lies about it. Maybe the money groups that give FOX money and advertisers care and are pressuring them. But people, make no mistake, FOX didn't have a change of heart becasue they care now or are concerned about GOP voters dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    Yeah, it's all financial for FOX. They don't give a shit about people too stupid to get vaccinated, considering everyone there is vaccinated, yet spread lies about it. Maybe the money groups that give FOX money and advertisers care and are pressuring them. But people, make no mistake, FOX didn't have a change of heart becasue they care now or are concerned about GOP voters dying.
    It is my understanding that Biden's administration actually reached out to the higher ups at Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    It is my understanding that Biden's administration actually reached out to the higher ups at Fox.
    That would be VERY interesting if confirmed.

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