Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[TexasRules]

I actually liken the vaccine more to drunk driving laws.

See if this sounds familiar: "Why shouldn't I be allowed to drive drunk? Isn't it my option to do with my body what I want? I accept the risks of driving drunk. If other people want to drive in public, they should have to accept the risks they face too. They want to oppress my freedoms just to feel safer. But you have to accept the risks in life, and those risks might include drunk driving. People will drive drunk with or without the laws in place, and more people die of other things than drunk driving. Of course people will tell you it's dangerous to drive drunk, they want to sell you seatbelts and airbags and expensive new cars and justify cops pulling over and oppressing people and collecting fines from hardworking people who just wanted to have a fun time and not have to worry about being inconvenienced with a designated driver or getting an Uber. But I've never personally known someone that's been in a drunk driving accident, and I've never been in one, so obviously it's over exaggerated. Why, I heard Joe Rogan say..."

It's practically no different than people refusing to wear a mask or refusing to get the vaccine. Because not only do you risk personal harm, but there is a clear and evident danger you pose to others as well.

This is just a bad comparison. You're trivializing the deaths caused by drunk driving. Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability. Don't bother responding, I'm adding you to the rare list of people I ignore.

[Orange Joe]

Can you link where scientists or a health organization says mandates should be enforced? With the vaccine you have a 99.7% chance of survivability. You have a better chance of dying from the flu.

It's YOUR claim they don't work. Edge linked what you wanted. Where is YOUR link to back up YOUR claim?

[Edge-]

Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability.

It's lower than that, actually, around 98% - https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526

2% mortality is still VERY high. Hence why the US has over 700,000 deaths from covid in over a year and a half. But I guess approaching 3/4 of a million Americans dead just ain't much of a big deal.

[Belize]

Can you link where scientists or a health organization says mandates should be enforced? With the vaccine you have a 99.7% chance of survivability.

With the vaccine

HMMMM. I sure wonder why the vaccine should be enforced. Shame there isn't a vaccine for shooting yourself in the foot, you'd need it.

[Ivanstone]

This is just a bad comparison. You're trivializing the deaths caused by drunk driving. Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability. Don't bother responding, I'm adding you to the rare list of people I ignore.

Drunk driving on average kills 10000 people per year in the USA. Roughly 300 000 are injured.
Roughly 375 000 people died from COVID-19 in 2020. Drunk driving is much less dangerous than COVID-19.

[TexasRules]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e3.htm
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-n...c-studies-show

You're welcome.

And the "flu is more deadly" meme needs to stop, it's gross misinformation.

Your first link is talking about mar-dec of 2020. The second one is also from last year. I find the third, a school based report that considers an outbreak when 2 or more people get the virus. How is it an outbreak if 2 people get a virus? So science now says that if 2 people get a virus it is an outbreak. That study also mangles math to make it seem worse, but shows that 114 of 1000 schools without masks had an"outbreak" where as 64 with mask mandates had "outbreaks". These outbreaks could have been among teachers as well as students, so if 2 teachers or more get it, it's an outbreak.

So summing up your links, 2 outdated, one using bad math to make numbers look worse.

The second study, led by Samantha Budzyn from the CDC's COVID-19 Response Team, looked at school mask policies and community spread among children in each county after the start of the school year. Between the week before school started and the second week of school, the number of pediatric infections increased by 35 cases per 100,000 people in counties without mask requirements, while the number increased by only 16 cases per 100,000 people in counties with school mask requirements.

Yep that minuscule increase among students because of masks. It really shows that it works.

This is not your coveted Trump thread where you derail it for anything covid every day. How about we get back on track by discussing why Biden, your supported leader, says it is okay to follow a woman in to a bathroom and harass her. Then have his press secretary come out and say he meant the opposite of exactly what he said.

[Orange Joe]

It's lower than that, actually, around 98% - https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526

2% mortality is still VERY high. Hence why the US has over 700,000 deaths from covid in over a year and a half. But I guess approaching 3/4 of a million Americans dead just ain't much of a big deal.

Too many to care about. They can't count that high. It's why they only care when less than 20 people die.

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Yep that minuscule increase among students because of masks. It really shows that it works.

um... That says without mask there were 35 cases per 100k
with masks = 16 per 100k.


that is a decrease because of mask not increase.

[Edge-]

Yep that minuscule increase among students because of masks. It really shows that it works.

In which you think that covid transmission is instant and there's not a well documented lag time with cases popping up 1-2 weeks after infection. Man, no wonder this shit confuses you. Also, the county without the mandate had more cases than those with. Good job undermining your own argument. "Miniscule" outbreaks can spread bigly, see one person bringing covid home and infecting their whole family, who can then infect even more. This is how outbreaks happen, it's not all at once, it's an exponential increase. Fucking hell, this is basic 101 shit.

Wonder why SF schools aren't seeing outbreaks like schools in anti-mask states like FL? Because kids are vaccinated and abiding CDC guidelines and preventative measures including mandatory masking. Weird how it like, actually works when you have it done properly and aren't hamstrung by a bunch of anti-mask idiots.

[uuuhname]

Your first link is talking about mar-dec of 2020. The second one is also from last year. I find the third, a school based report that considers an outbreak when 2 or more people get the virus. How is it an outbreak if 2 people get a virus? So science now says that if 2 people get a virus it is an outbreak. That study also mangles math to make it seem worse, but shows that 114 of 1000 schools without masks had an"outbreak" where as 64 with mask mandates had "outbreaks". These outbreaks could have been among teachers as well as students, so if 2 teachers or more get it, it's an outbreak.

So summing up your links, 2 outdated, one using bad math to make numbers look worse.
Yep that minuscule increase among students because of masks. It really shows that it works.

what about the unvaccinated dude? why are you ignoring how basically everyone who is dying or dead from COVID for the last year have been the unvaccinated? like, do you not care about COVID going away at some point? do you want COVID to mutate into a different strain and we go through the same cycle AGAIN??? so you can complain about government overreach and make mask mandates permanent? so you'd have something to complain about then???

[TexasRules]

TexasRules...bruh, you don't have to create a novelty account with the goal of making Texans look retarded. They already do a good job of that on their own.

The irony is that I get banned for this type of trolling.

[Orange Joe]

The irony is that I get banned for this type of trolling.

He was infracted? chances are he doesn't break the rules 1-2 days after being unbanned so he doesn't have many points.

[TACOshake]

Restoration for GSE and BEar's Ears were among my biggest want from the new administration.

Thanks Biden and Secretary Haaland!

[shimerra]

The irony is that I get banned for this type of trolling.

1) Not Irony.
2) Your inability to understand that it's not remotely ironic is related to your inability to understand the very simple points system this website uses. Given that you lie and break the rules more regularly it makes perfect sense you'd be banned more for the same infraction vs someone who does it rarely. This violates one of the core requirements for something to be ironic because given the rules you being banned more often is the expected outcome and to be ironic you being banned more would have to be contrary to the expected outcome.
3)We also fully expect you to play the victim card. It's a conservative's go to in any situation.

[Hollycakes]

How about we get back on track by discussing why Biden, your supported leader, says it is okay to follow a woman in to a bathroom and harass her.

Cool. Can we talk about how your supported leader says it's ok to follow a mom to school and have you guys yell "it's rape!" at her and her son?
I mean really?

[postman1782]

This is just a bad comparison. You're trivializing the deaths caused by drunk driving. Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability. Don't bother responding, I'm adding you to the rare list of people I ignore.

Covid doesn't have a 99.7% survivability rate. It literally has a 1.62% death rate, Jesus fucking christ you are ignorant.

[Breccia]

How about we get back on track by discussing why Biden, your supported leader, says it is okay to follow a woman in to a bathroom and harass her.

Okay.

President Biden on Monday said he did not agree with activists who followed Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) into a bathroom over the weekend to protest her position on a reconciliation bill containing Democratic priorities.

"I don’t think they’re appropriate tactics, but it happens to everybody. The only people it doesn’t happen to are people who have Secret Service standing around them. So it’s part of the process," Biden said, responding to a question from Fox News correspondent Peter Doocy.

Said it directly to FOX News. Express and specific disapproval.

Your question has been addressed.

[Endus]

This is just a bad comparison. You're trivializing the deaths caused by drunk driving. Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability. Don't bother responding, I'm adding you to the rare list of people I ignore.

There's something like 230 million licensed drivers in the USA.

In 2019 (latest year the site had data), there were some 10,142 deaths from drunk drivers.

So your chance of surviving an encounter with a driver was 99.99996%, with only a 0.000044% chance of dying due to a drunk driver.

So even by the ridiculous standards you're using, your comparisons are WAY frickin' off.

[Lenonis]

I have had my booster shot, so shows how much you generalize everyone.

That doesn't change that the unvaccinated population is overwhelming of your type.

You guys just cant wait to blame when you know nothing. You guys want to follow science, mask mandates do not follow science.

Well that's a big fat buzzer sound. The research is pretty conclusive that areas that implemented mask mandates showed a decline in transmission rates. I haven't read the rest of the thread yet but I'm excited to see your cherry picked debunked "research" you use to defend this...if you even do.

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Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability

More fake news from captain "science" over here. Just stop you are embarrassing yourself.

[Hollycakes]

I... what?

Is this an actual thing? Jesus wept.

Sadly it is.
Weird how people like Texas cherry pick.

[Lenonis]

it's a shame MMOC doesn't permaban for spreading covid misinformation like other social media sites do.