Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Hollycakes]

Right?
Don't we have the right to freedom from them?
They are stepping on my patriotism.

[Xyonai]

Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability.

Piling onto this, I fucking hate this flippant dismissal of the wider damage actually caused by COVID, because it's willfully ignoring any and all long-term effects many COVID survivors still have to deal with when they get slapped by moderate and severe cases; Lowered Lung Capacity which leads to crippling fatigue, Lingering Neurological damage including Insomnia, Short Term Memory Loss, and severe foggy-headedness that come with the higher likelihood of early onset Dementia. Not to mention the damage it does to ones heart and blood vessels which could increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes.

Just because the goddamn disease doesn't kill you doesn't mean it can't fuck up your life - or the lives of those around you.

[Poopymonster]

Sadly it is.
Weird how people like Texas cherry pick.

I have trouble believing that was in Texas.
Not enough firearms. Not enough blaming it on brown people. No 40K ork looking wall.

[Kaleredar]

This is just a bad comparison. You're trivializing the deaths caused by drunk driving. Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability. Don't bother responding, I'm adding you to the rare list of people I ignore.

Ah, so those 700,000 people who died from COVID just... don't matter?


Hey, @everyone else, Since I guess I got Texas to puss out over it, keep hitting him with the Drunk driving comparison. That really seems to hit a nerve with him.

Drunk driving laws are laws that limit personal "freedoms" and "bodily autonomy" designed to prevent harm to others, regardless of what the person might be "personally okay" with risking. No different than vaccine or mask mandates.

[draynay]

it's a shame MMOC doesn't permaban for spreading covid misinformation like other social media sites do.

I keep reporting them all the same, most of them have been getting their 5 points, but I agree with you about the benefit of more severe measures.

[Benggaul]

it's a shame MMOC doesn't permaban for spreading covid misinformation like other social media sites do.

Yuuuuuup. Skroe got banned for saying he'd murder someone who harmed his family. Meanwhile spreading dangerous conspiracy theory shit about COVID that gets thousands of people killed just gets you a one or two week vacation. And heaven forbid you should say out loud that someone's being a sealion.

Much like America, MMO-C needs a sentencing overhaul.

[Kaleredar]

Ah, of course it's a bunch of anti-vaxx nutjobs, should have guessed.

Funny how they're all about "muh freedom" but will try and impose their supposed freedom on others.

I do hope that these parents educate their children about the batshit insane crazy person that yelled at them that day, and what their "mindset" entails.


Educating the children is the best way to make sure moronic mindsets like these die out, after all.

[Hollycakes]

When they act like the deacon, they're gonna get called out on it.
If you insert the word vaxx instead, his part plays out the same.



Oooo spooky.
post 666 with a Little Nicky ref just in time for Halloween.

[fwc577]

This is just a bad comparison. You're trivializing the deaths caused by drunk driving. Drunk driving can not be compared to a disease that has a 99.7% survivability. Don't bother responding, I'm adding you to the rare list of people I ignore.

What an ignorant take.

On average, 99.997% of car trips don't result in a crash.

This data is derived from the fact that eSurance says there is about a 1 in 366 chance of getting into a car accident for every 1,000 miles driven. Also, the average trip is 11.5 miles per Statistica. Therefore, you need to make 86 car trips in order to have a 1 in 366 chance of getting into a car accident. That means 1 in 31,476 chance to get into a car accident on any given trip.

Additionally, your odds of dying in a Motor-Vehicle Crash are 1 in 107. Therefore, your chances of dying on a single car trip are 1 in 3,367,932.

If you get into a car, you have a 99.9999703081891% chance of surviving your trip.

If you get Covid, you have a 99.7% chance of surviving Covid.

Yet we still have seatbelt laws and drunk driving laws. And yet idiots still argue that we shouldn't get the shot and take basic precautions like wearing a mask and social distancing.

[Paranoid Android]

Biden administration deported seven thousand migrants to Haiti in a month

Well on this issue he is pissing off people who HATED Trump on his immigration policies and the ones who ironically love it, the Trumpers, will never vote or credit Biden for him getting rid of immigrants.

Damn if you do...

[Breccia]

Yet we still have seatbelt laws and drunk driving laws.

That's just not true.

We also have licenses required to use them. Think of them as "car passports".

Oh, and mandatory insurance.

Also you can lose your license if you speed, run stop signs, park in handicapped areas, blast through construction zones, road rage, hit someone on the crosswalk, etc.

You need a special commercial license to drive a bus or a big rig.

You need to take your car to be inspected and registered every year or two. Which I guess in this metaphor are mandatory boosters.

I mean, the list goes on and on. And best of my knowledge, we didn't have 45 million people get in auto accidents in the last year and a half.

[Hollycakes]

Breccia omg.
Just.fucking.realized.that.
Where's my yellow star?
I'm outraged.
My Camry is a death camp.
I'm being oppressed.

haha holy shit alskjisjdfhskdjfhgsdkjfh

[Paranoid Android]

Federal agents will stop making mass worksite arrests of immigrant employees suspected of living in the U.S. without legal permission. Instead, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas wants to go after employers who hire such workers.

Amazing if this is really, really enforced. The one policy I have been championing forever. I hope they use a hammer to these employers.

[Breccia]

Amazing if this is really, really enforced.

We've all seen of the CEO with 19 cookies, pointing to the minimum wage worker with one cookie, saying "that immigrant wants to steal your cookie". A common demonization is "they want your job" which, again, is only possible if someone's willing to pay them. If there were zero Americans willing to hire illegal immigrants, there would be zero illegal immigrants coming for a job. Also, if your boss fires you to hire an illegal, that says more about the opinion about your boss has about you and your job than the illegal.

I hope this goes forward. Simply put, as long as businesses dangle that carrot, we'll keep getting rabbits.

[Dacia Ultan]

Right?
Don't we have the right to freedom from them?
They are stepping on my patriotism.

You're talking about people who believe that they own the concept of patriotism, because they conflate the concept of "the country" with their party's agenda.

[Kaleredar]

Federal agents will stop making mass worksite arrests of immigrant employees suspected of living in the U.S. without legal permission. Instead, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas wants to go after employers who hire such workers.

Amazing if this is really, really enforced. The one policy I have been championing forever. I hope they use a hammer to these employers.

This is smart in a couple ways.

One, it's a good idea.

Two, optically, it's much harder for republicans to oppose this, at least vocally and publicly. I'm sure the prospect of their rich friends no longer being able to profit from paying pennies to the dollar while supplying no benefits to staff hard labor positions at their companies probably chagrins them (and their pocketbooks,) but it's difficult for them to come out and oppose it by saying "No, we should totes let businesses hire illegal immigrants.

But of course that doesn't mean they won't try. Because after all, a democrat suggested it, so they have to oppose it. I'm going to assume they're going to phrase it as "hardworking corporations are being told who they can and can't hire by big government, and the Biden administration REFUSES to go after the illegals themselves."

[Flarelaine]

Please do not derail the thread by discussing moderation. It has nothing to do with Biden or Harris.

We catch up to offenders eventually, but cannot be on hand around the clock.

[Poopymonster]

This is smart in a couple ways.

One, it's a good idea.

Two, optically, it's much harder for republicans to oppose this, at least vocally and publicly. I'm sure the prospect of their rich friends no longer being able to profit from paying pennies to the dollar while supplying no benefits to staff hard labor positions at their companies probably chagrins them (and their pocketbooks,) but it's difficult for them to come out and oppose it by saying "No, we should totes let businesses hire illegal immigrants.

But of course that doesn't mean they won't try. Because after all, a democrat suggested it, so they have to oppose it. I'm going to assume they're going to phrase it as "hardworking corporations are being told who they can and can't hire by big government, and the Biden administration REFUSES to go after the illegals themselves."

Republicans will call it expensive regulation, it'll drive up prices, and destroy the free market.
Meaning it'll cost their donors more money, make their donors hire legal residents, and hopefully raise the pay in back breaking fields above the equivalent of tipped minimum wages.
But without those silly tips.

[Paranoid Android]

This is smart in a couple ways.

One, it's a good idea.

Two, optically, it's much harder for republicans to oppose this, at least vocally and publicly. I'm sure the prospect of their rich friends no longer being able to profit from paying pennies to the dollar while supplying no benefits to staff hard labor positions at their companies probably chagrins them (and their pocketbooks,) but it's difficult for them to come out and oppose it by saying "No, we should totes let businesses hire illegal immigrants.

But of course that doesn't mean they won't try. Because after all, a democrat suggested it, so they have to oppose it. I'm going to assume they're going to phrase it as "hardworking corporations are being told who they can and can't hire by big government, and the Biden administration REFUSES to go after the illegals themselves."

I mean I wish the Dems focused on this a long time ago, even during the primaries where they were almost getting cornered into saying they would let immigrants in no matter what (again perception, not the facts).

This is where my wokeness comes in <snark> and say the Dems want to be pro-business and protect them from themselves by hiring cheap labor and not getting punished. So yeah this seems like easy policy to win the national argument. Now I guess most Trumpers who hate these immigrants bases on skin color basically and not the facts.

The facts are and were always that Companies, employers always had the choice of hiring this cheap labor. Even as we see now that Employers always demanded cheap labor and people who entered here supplied that. We all know its easy to see in the agricultural business, but moved to restaurant, service industry and of course to jobs what I say Americans won't work for the pay being offered. Even the argument of what was good paying jobs, aka construction jobs are again the Businesses choosing to hire cheap labor over people who demand a living wage.

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Republicans will call it expensive regulation, it'll drive up prices, and destroy the free market.
Meaning it'll cost their donors more money, make their donors hire legal residents, and hopefully raise the pay in back breaking fields above the equivalent of tipped minimum wages.
But without those silly tips.

Ironically the Trumpers, the maga's, who want every job to return to the United States and of course not realizing automation killing jobs, would be they would have to work for the wages we pay overseas. What is that? Like $5/day.

Even the free market Republicans wet dream of there would be so many jobs that it would naturally drive up the wages by demand of the labor market. Ironically again, this is what's happening now. Maybe not because of job growth, but realizing that working for the wage they were is not worth it. So what are most Republicans bitching about? Well, of course people not wanting to work unless they get a higher, living wage worth their value.

It's just a great trick that the very rich have convinced enough of the people, that some immigrant is taking your job. I mean when the rich get together they must laugh out loud at the Con.

[Zan15]

That's just not true.

We also have licenses required to use them. Think of them as "car passports".

Oh, and mandatory insurance.

Also you can lose your license if you speed, run stop signs, park in handicapped areas, blast through construction zones, road rage, hit someone on the crosswalk, etc.

You need a special commercial license to drive a bus or a big rig.

You need to take your car to be inspected and registered every year or two. Which I guess in this metaphor are mandatory boosters.

I mean, the list goes on and on. And best of my knowledge, we didn't have 45 million people get in auto accidents in the last year and a half.

Funny i was thinking all this, this morning while driving for work.

Could you imagine all the safety items that would be removed if we used the same logic they use for "only x% died from covid"

Also you can lose your job if the requirement of your employer is to have a Car and Licenses. OMG MAH FREEDUM how can they fire me for not having a car, i am totally going to sue Uber for not paying me even though I don't have a car!!!


What about bible verse... ummm... picks random one and bends it to my needs....that's says I don't need a license because Jesus said so!! Of course the bible was very supportive of "regulations" "taxes" and "govt rights" to mandate all kinds of things especially taxes.