Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Omega10]

Rahmn is not even a leftist himself, what are you on about this time

The lefty articles I read about Rahm were all about how they hate him.

[Breccia]

PolitiFact got hold of Biden's EC speech and, hoo boy, did they do a number on it.

"They voted in record numbers. More Americans voted this year than have ever voted in the history of the United States of America."

This is accurate when comparing total vote counts.

"306 electoral votes is the same number of electoral votes that Donald Trump and Vice President (Mike) Pence received when they won in 2016. At the time, President Trump called his Electoral College tally a landslide."

This is largely accurate.

"They were heard by more than 80 judges across this country. And in every case, no cause or evidence was found to reverse or question or dispute the results."

Biden’s figure is accurate.

"A few states went for recounts. All the counts were confirmed. The results in Georgia were counted three times. It didn’t change the outcome. The recount conducted in Wisconsin actually saw our margin grow."

This is accurate.

The Texas lawsuit was "a position so extreme, we’ve never seen it before."

Legal experts agreed with Biden’s assessment of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s lawsuit, which asked the Supreme Court to invalidate the election results in four states that Biden won.

"His own cybersecurity chief overseeing this election said it was the most secure in American history."

This is accurate.

"But Breccia! Surely you left out the parts where PolitiFact called Biden out for lying!"

Nope. I mean, you're free to watch it yourself.

[Zaydin]

PolitiFact got hold of Biden's EC speech and, hoo boy, did they do a number on it.



"But Breccia! Surely you left out the parts where PolitiFact called Biden out for lying!"

Nope. I mean, you're free to watch it yourself.

Man, the fact checkers are probably going to love the next four years compared to the last four.

[Kaleredar]

PolitiFact got hold of Biden's EC speech and, hoo boy, did they do a number on it.



"But Breccia! Surely you left out the parts where PolitiFact called Biden out for lying!"

Nope. I mean, you're free to watch it yourself.

Wow, a president that can open his mouth without bald-face lying.

I can't wait until we go back to the days of the "president's outrageous conduct" coming from mouthboxes and fox news decrying his taste in suit color or type of mustard.

I can see the Fox News outrage now: "Biden rides bike wearing helmet; this projects weakness to the world and is very unpresidential. Why isn't Biden confident enough in riding a bike helmet-free?"

[Felya]

I can see the Fox News outrage now: "Biden rides bike wearing helmet; this projects weakness to the world and is very unpresidential. Why isn't Biden confident enough in riding a bike helmet-free?"

I’m waiting for... ‘why doesn’t Biden fill his cabinet with family and friends? What do they have to hide?’...

[JohnBrown1917]

Man, the fact checkers are probably going to love the next four years compared to the last four.

If they ignore the lies he does make, sure.

Whatever happend to cornpop?


edit,
Oh, my bad, seems they do.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...bout-joe-biden
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden

Seems he lies a lot more than people give him credit to and whatever happend to cornpop anyway?

[Felya]

If they ignore the lies he does make, sure.

Which lies did they ignore?

[DingDongKing]

Man, the fact checkers are probably going to love the next four years compared to the last four.

The last four years were bad for pollsters. The next four years will be bad for fact checker. Just waiting for the four years that will be bad for disinformation spreaders. A man can wish. A man can wish.

[Omega10]

Trump formally passes the baton of leader of the republican party to McConnell.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...yF0?li=BBorjTa

Title: Trump turns on McConnell for calling Biden president-elect

Excerpt:

“Our country has officially a president-elect and a vice president-elect,” McConnell said. “The Electoral College has spoken. So today, I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden.”

Trump shared a news report on McConnell’s remarks in a tweet posted shortly after midnight. In an accompanying message, he wrote: “Mitch, 75,000,000 VOTES, a record for a sitting President (by a lot). Too soon to give up. Republican Party must finally learn to fight. People are angry!”

Trump has basically set McConnell free, and now what Trump does is irrelevant and what McConnell does is what matters. Trump has his constituency, and like any other media person he can offer his opinion, but McConnell is the decider for republicans moving forward.

America voted for policy to be somewhere between Biden and McConnell, and now it is just up to those two to work out their differences and implement the policies that America voted for.

[Milchshake]

Looks like Jennifer Granholm will lead DoE. Which is a good pick and a major upgrade over Rick "Meats" Perry.

And as usual, thecosplay leftists is going to throw another fit. Showing that they just dont know what the OMB, DoT, or DoE really do. No, its not creating federal mandates for mini Coopers or fixies.

This happens when you spend four years shitting on professionals and technocrats, instead of developing your own career.

[Omega10]

McConnell continues his transformation and further solidifies his grip on the republican party moving forward.

The fact that he is pushing republicans in the Senate to accept Biden as President is one thing. The fact that he is allowing this to become public knowledge is even more telling.

https://news.yahoo.com/defying-trump...131103222.html

Title: Defying Trump, McConnell Seeks to Squelch Bid to Overturn the Election

Some parts are repeats of what I previously posted. But there are some new pieces of information.

Excerpt:

“Many of us hoped that the presidential election would yield a different result, but our system of government has processes to determine who will be sworn in on Jan. 20,” McConnell said in a speech on the Senate floor. “The Electoral College has spoken. So today, I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden.”

A short time later, on a private call with Senate Republicans, McConnell and his top deputies pleaded with their colleagues not to join members of the House in objecting to the election results Jan. 6, when Congress meets to ratify the Electoral College’s decision, according to three people familiar with the conversation, who described it on the condition of anonymity.

A small group of House members, led by Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama, plans to use a constitutional process to object to the inclusion of five key battleground states that day. There is almost no chance they will succeed. But if they could persuade at least one senator to join them, they could force a vote on the matter, transforming a typically perfunctory session into a bitter last stand for Trump.

So far, no senator has committed to joining them. In seeking to prevent anyone from doing so, McConnell argued that a challenge would force senators to go on the record either defying Trump or rejecting the will of the voters, potentially harming those running for election in 2022.

He dispatched his top deputy, Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, to lobby lawmakers one by one.

McConnell has done an outstanding job of solidifying his position as leader of the republican party. He also can claim credit for doing his part in getting republicans to accept the election results. Democrats will say he did too little and started too late, and republicans will say he did too much. Which positions him as "doing just the right thing".

He is being quite forceful about asserting control of Senate republicans, even over Trump, and will be a force to be reckoned with. At this point I would not bet against him even if democrats win both Georgia Senate seats. He has proven to be quite competent in navigating a quite complicated situation.

[Edge-]

If they ignore the lies he does make, sure.

Whatever happend to cornpop?


edit,
Oh, my bad, seems they do.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...bout-joe-biden
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden

Seems he lies a lot more than people give him credit to and whatever happend to cornpop anyway?

Nobody is saying he's never lied or told and untruth, he totally has. The point being that there was little to none of that in his speech after the EC win was secured.

And that if you look at his history you linked on Politifact the end of the first page is a quote from 2007, and there's a single quote on the second page - https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden

If you look at Trump, by comparison, the end of the first page is October 1. 2020. His ends on page 12, dating back to 2011 - https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...r=donald-trump

So yeah, unless fact-checkers are going to broadly expand who they fact check, they're gonna be a lot less busy than they were under Trump.

Also, there's no mention of Cornpop that I can find in the Politifact link. So you go with a Fox News contributor who's former wall-street and a bigly Trump supporter.

https://twitter.com/lizpeek

Her Twitter's pretty wild, yo.

[Omega10]

There is no transformation here. This is who McConnell is. He's a politician that sways which ever way the wind blows, generally the direction that keeps him in his position. He merely rode the Trump train for as long as it was a good thing for him to do.

The only transformation is in the heads of people that see the dreaded "deep state" everywhere. McConnell is now apparently a firm member of the deep state and always was, just like Barr, to those people.

I'm just glad that he DID get off of the Trump train, and is using his considerable power to get others off of that train. Going forward, he will yield a LOT of power, though it will be quite a bit less if democrats win both Georgia Senate seats.

In Georgia, early voting numbers are very high, and mail in votes are also very high, so there is a decent chance that the democrats will take both seats. I suspect that McConnell and other republicans will be ushering Trump off of the stage as quickly as possible in order to keep Trump and his supporters from sabotaging the two republican candidates.

[Elegiac]

I'm just glad that he DID get off of the Trump train, and is using his considerable power to get others off of that train.

I wish I too could be a mediocre geriatric so I could get congratulated for doing the absolute bare fucking minimum, but hey.

[Omega10]

I wish I too could be a mediocre geriatric so I could get congratulated for doing the absolute bare fucking minimum, but hey.

I would argue against underestimating him. He is largely responsible for preventing an Obama appointment to the Supreme Court. He got three Trump appointments through, one in record time. He got the Trump tax cut passed. He has made his stance clear on who Biden can and cannot select for cabinet level positions requiring Senate approval. He loyally supported Trump until he no longer needed Trump, at which point he is now working forcefully on easing Trump out. He was prime negotiator in the past stimulus packages, and will be for all of the future ones. He is pretty much single-handedly creating the republican platform just by what he negotiates for and against. All of this over the last four years was done during the intentionally chaotic Trump Presidency.

He was fairly powerful four years ago. He is VERY powerful now. And he will be around until at least 2026.

MAYBE democrats will win both Georgia Senate seats and he will lose quite a bit of his power. MAYBE democrats will control the Senate after 2022. MAYBE the 2024 republican Presidential candidate will be strong enough to wrest power from him. But at this point I would argue against underestimating him.

[Milchshake]

I'm kinda shocked at the lack of online discourse over McConnell's wife, ya know, the current Secretary of Transportation...

Ya, people looking for a schism between Trump and McConnell are just wish casting.


Also, I heard Cornpop will get nominated as ambassador to Denmark.

[Edge-]

What a cringey, sexist article....

Jill Biden’s Doctorate Is Garbage Because Her Dissertation Is Garbage

NRO, lawl.

I actually gave it a read expecting an analysis of her dissertation, which would have been interesting. But it said nothing about what she wrote at all and was, as you said, just another cringey, sexist article. My shock and surprise.

[Kaleredar]

Nobody is saying he's never lied or told and untruth, he totally has. The point being that there was little to none of that in his speech after the EC win was secured.

And that if you look at his history you linked on Politifact the end of the first page is a quote from 2007, and there's a single quote on the second page - https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden

If you look at Trump, by comparison, the end of the first page is October 1. 2020. His ends on page 12, dating back to 2011 - https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...r=donald-trump

So yeah, unless fact-checkers are going to broadly expand who they fact check, they're gonna be a lot less busy than they were under Trump.

Also, there's no mention of Cornpop that I can find in the Politifact link. So you go with a Fox News contributor who's former wall-street and a bigly Trump supporter.

https://twitter.com/lizpeek

Her Twitter's pretty wild, yo.

Fact checkers will still stay... uh, "employed," I guess, shooting down the various bullshit nonsense that Right-wing talking heads make up about Biden. So there's that.

[beanman12345]

If they ignore the lies he does make, sure.

Whatever happend to cornpop?


edit,
Oh, my bad, seems they do.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...bout-joe-biden
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden

Seems he lies a lot more than people give him credit to and whatever happend to cornpop anyway?

Of course he's gonna lie. Every politician lies. It just won't be 25,000 lies over the next 4 years, or anywhere near that level, so, it'll be a lot easier work, hence fact checkers will like their job better, because who doesn't like easier work?

[JohnBrown1917]

Fact checkers will still stay... uh, "employed," I guess, shooting down the various bullshit nonsense that Right-wing talking heads make up about Biden. So there's that.

Biden is going to spout plenty of his own lies, whether its on purpose or not.. I dont know.


It seems its really hard for some of you to accept that Biden also lies often. Be it on purpose when he called Trump the first racist president(he does not even come close to the top) or whatever he was smoking when he went on his cornpop tales.



Its like 4 years ago all over again, only difference its now Biden voter denying it instead of Trump voters.