1. #10861
    On the one hand, it puts the lie to the right's claim that he's somehow beholden to China. On the other...yeah; he needs to be cleaning up the mess; and he doesn't even really seem to be addressing most of it.

  2. #10862
    Sinema backs corporate minimum tax proposal

    “This proposal represents a commonsense step toward ensuring that highly profitable corporations — which sometimes can avoid the current corporate tax rate — pay a reasonable minimum tax on their profits, just as everyday Arizonans and Arizona small businesses do,” Sinema said in a statement on Tuesday.

    A group of senators unveiled legislative text of the proposal on Tuesday afternoon. Under the proposal, a 15 percent minimum tax would be applied to corporate profits reported on financial statements.

    Nearly 200 billion-dollar companies would be subject to the tax under the legislation, the senators said.

  3. #10863
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Sinema backs corporate minimum tax proposal

    “This proposal represents a commonsense step toward ensuring that highly profitable corporations — which sometimes can avoid the current corporate tax rate — pay a reasonable minimum tax on their profits, just as everyday Arizonans and Arizona small businesses do,” Sinema said in a statement on Tuesday.

    A group of senators unveiled legislative text of the proposal on Tuesday afternoon. Under the proposal, a 15 percent minimum tax would be applied to corporate profits reported on financial statements.

    Nearly 200 billion-dollar companies would be subject to the tax under the legislation, the senators said.
    Got to say something to try and earn back some of her image given all she is doing to sell us out long term. Besides, if she can block the voting reforms from going through, she makes sure any minimum tax proposal is DOA.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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  4. #10864
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Got to say something to try and earn back some of her image given all she is doing to sell us out long term. Besides, if she can block the voting reforms from going through, she makes sure any minimum tax proposal is DOA.
    Yeah.

    If Manchin doesn't back it, then it's likely she knew it and this is just posturing.

  5. #10865
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Yeah.

    If Manchin doesn't back it, then it's likely she knew it and this is just posturing.
    I think it's likely the reverse, that she got word Manchin would be getting on board so she hopped on. Either way, it's good news. Pelosi has officially "broken" with Jayapal, which means pressure on progressives is now coming from leadership, which is a good indication both bills are a done deal. Will be nice to have that over with.
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  6. #10866
    I'm disappointed more isn't getting done, but with such a slim majority we can't expect anything getting passed that isn't greatly watered down and a bit limp.

  7. #10867
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I'm disappointed more isn't getting done, but with such a slim majority we can't expect anything getting passed that isn't greatly watered down and a bit limp.
    And with the likes of Manchin and Sinema it's questionable whether they even have a majority.

  8. #10868
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    And with the likes of Manchin and Sinema it's questionable whether they even have a majority.
    They do, but it's the majority a lot of us were talking about: Not one most folks would be happy with.

    I'm less sure on Sinema, but Manchin will at least come through when he's really needed (ARA passage), but he's a shit that waters everything down in the meantime. We need him though, and Sinema. But I hugely look forward to when they're no longer needed and their objections can be summarily ignored as they're reminded of how they cut Democrats down at the knees when they could.

    Seriously, this is very much a "Maybe once in a generation, go big or go home." moment and those two are killing it.

  9. #10869
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    They do, but it's the majority a lot of us were talking about: Not one most folks would be happy with.

    I'm less sure on Sinema, but Manchin will at least come through when he's really needed (ARA passage)
    What's really needed is HR1 stat, especially given the outright assault on voting rights in many states. Neither of them seem willing to go along with it, though.

  10. #10870
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    What's really needed is HR1 stat, especially given the outright assault on voting rights in many states. Neither of them seem willing to go along with it, though.
    Agreed, I'm still pretty upset that hasn't moved forward despite passage in the House. Just a shame that Democrats have to do it alone and that not a single Republican will support protecting voting rights.

  11. #10871
    If you can get fuck all done why bother voting for them. Real strategic thinking about the midterms here.

  12. #10872
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Agreed, I'm still pretty upset that hasn't moved forward despite passage in the House. Just a shame that Democrats have to do it alone and that not a single Republican will support protecting voting rights.
    Unfortunately for them having more fair and equitable voting rights and protections would make it harder and harder for the GOP to stay in power.


    But make no mistake. The Republicans will market their opposition as being against "democrats being able to write the laws to help perpetrate electoral fraud *that we're totally implying might've happened during the 2020 election we just can't say it out loud* and wanting to cater only to the ivory-tower coastal elite cities."


    They not-so-subtly string along these vague notions of democrats allowing criminals voting, or illegals voting, or mass voter fraud, without any record or evidence of it happening, so that they can simply claim "we don't want the democrats touching voting laws" and their base will eat it up without a thought or look at what the legislation actually contains.

    You can really extend that to any GOP talking point. Imply that immigrants are all rapist drug dealers who are going to steal your jobs? Boom, democrats can't work towards immigration reform. Imply that democrats want to steal your guns? Boom, no gun safety legislation. Imply that you're going to have to pay lots of your hard earned money to support some lazy jobless person while the government decides where you go to the doctor and choose whether grandma lives or dies? Boom, no universal healthcare.

    There's no policy. Only threat. The GOP's platform is based solely on fears they create.

    And this will be the case until the GOP is a minority party and the democrats can just carry on without them. Obama had his chance, but unfortunately he naively believed the GOP still operated on wanting to make the United States better, rather than simply wanting to perpetuate it's own power. Biden doesn't seem to be making the same mistake, but Manchin and Sinema have proven to be in it entirely for themselves.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  13. #10873
    Brett Favre, the Hall of Fame quarterback, paid the state of Mississippi back $600,000 that he owed after he improperly received welfare money as part of an extensive fraud scheme, according to the state auditor’s office. https://t.co/GFg2e4JFOf
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1...iKxxqt7sw&s=19

    So two incredible points to this story. One is on of course Favre, the Trump pull yourself up by the bootstraps, steals money from the government. Second, is Favre gets a chance to pay it back with no other consequence.
    Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!

  14. #10874
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1...iKxxqt7sw&s=19

    So two incredible points to this story. One is on of course Favre, the Trump pull yourself up by the bootstraps, steals money from the government. Second, is Favre gets a chance to pay it back with no other consequence.
    I worry that the word “projection” will be over-used and as such lose its effectiveness, but once again it’s the perfect term to use for what is seemingly the only debate tactic the GOP has anymore.

  15. #10875
    Is it finally happening?? Idk, maybe?

    "President Biden plans to announce Thursday a revised framework for his social spending plan that he expects will gain the support of all Democrats, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation, marking a potential breakthrough after months of lengthy negotiations and stalled talks.

    The White House plans to detail specific policies it expects to pass Congress after weeks of whittling down Biden’s agenda, according to one of the people. Democrats on Capitol Hill were preparing written details of the revamped proposal for release on Thursday, according to the second person.

    The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the plans on the record. The White House declined to comment.

    Biden will address House Democrats Thursday morning before delivering remarks from the White House about the plan. The announcement comes ahead of his planned trip to Rome later in the day to begin a pair of international summits.

    “The President will speak to the House Democratic Caucus this morning to provide an update about the Build Back Better agenda and the bipartisan infrastructure deal,” the White House said in a brief statement Thursday morning. “Before departing for his foreign trip, he will return to the White House and speak to the American people about the path forward for his economic agenda and the next steps to getting it done.”"

    https://wapo.st/3pFWoXw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Second, is Favre gets a chance to pay it back with no other consequence.
    Well, yeah. He's old, rich, white, and American.

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  18. #10878
    Hey, there's a surprise! Disingenuous shitposters like disingenuous shit politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Do you like her so much because you wish that you could be bribed that much?

  20. #10880
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Second, is Favre gets a chance to pay it back with no other consequence.
    Technically, it says he owes another $228,000 of interest and he could be sued by the state if he doesn't pay it.

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