Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

Measles, mumps, polio, smallpox...national scale. And some of us are old enough to be damn grateful for it.

[Dontrike]

I do believe the mandate does overstep. How much of a road bump do we expect this to be for the administration?

Did you make that much fuss when you were 4 and getting your mandated vaccines? Were you screaming "OVARSTEHP!" then? You had a dozen shots before you realized it, are you gonna sue your parents for it?

[Zeth Hawkins]

Did you make that much fuss when you were 4 and getting your mandated vaccines? Were you screaming "OVARSTEHP!" then? You had a dozen shots before you realized it, are you gonna sue your parents for it?

No? Why are you upset and yelling? I am fine with vaccine mandates for government employees, military members, and public school attendance.

[Yuujin]

You can’t really take their health and safety area of focus to mean they have the power to do anything they wish with vaccination on a national scale. They’re a subsidiary department in the executive branch of government, and wielding a limited batch of delegated powers from the legislative branch. OSHA regularly gets rebuked by courts for overstepping its authority on workplace safety, or going too far in diagnosing a problem or correcting it. This is not so easily dismissed “health and safety matter so OSHA has authority to act as it sees fit.” Even a governor in Biden’s own party has written in opposition to the federal solution, desiring her own unique state solution and declaring the federal intervention too late.

I'd have to see some sources of OSHA being successfully rebuked in court because my experience with them does not reflect that at all.

I don't know how familiar you are with OSHA but the standards/rules/regulations are written rather clearly, leaving little room for interpretation. The notion of an inspector "going to far in diagnosing a problem or correcting it" doesn't mesh well with what OSHA actually does. I've heard plenty of claims within the manufacturing world of such things occuring, but the end result was always that company receiving a fine, not them getting a court to dismiss it.

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No? Why are you upset and yelling? I am fine with vaccine mandates for government employees, military members, and public school attendance.

You poor thing. You think he is yelling? No, he's making fun of you.

[Breccia]

Why are you upset and yelling?

Nothing in @Dontrike 's post suggested suggested he was upset and/or yelling. In fact, I think he was mocking you.

[Dontrike]

No? Why are you upset and yelling? I am fine with vaccine mandates for government employees, military members, and public school attendance.

So in time as children grow and go to school they'd get the Covid shot and everyone will have it and therefore you are okay with everyone being forced to get it. So it's not the mandate, but more so you being a random contrarian for no damn reason.

You basically just said "I don't like them, but I like them."

[Elegiac]

So in time as children grow and go to school they'd get the Covid shot and everyone will have it and therefore are okay with everyone being forced to get it. So it's not the mandate, but more so you being a random contrarian for no damn reason.

You basically just said "I don't like them, but I like them."

What do you expect from someone who says "Happy Pride" but then complains about anti-police riots. Rofl.

[PhaelixWW]

What do you expect from someone who says "Happy Pride" but then complains about anti-police riots. Rofl.

Well, the "Happy Pride" was always sarcasm in the first place; it was in reference to the bigotry logo that I'm guessing he was forced to take out of his sig.

Now it's just a dog whistle.

[downnola]

Nothing in @Dontrike 's post suggested suggested he was upset and/or yelling. In fact, I think he was mocking you.

"Maybe my argument will appear stronger if I begin my post with a loaded question. That'll own the lib."

Embarrassing, really.

[Elegiac]

Well, the "Happy Pride" was always sarcasm in the first place; it was in reference to the bigotry logo that I'm guessing he was forced to take out of his sig.

Now it's just a dog whistle.

I honestly can't imagine the sort of mindset that is so utterly pathetic as to feel the need to punch down at marginalized demographics for laughs.

Then again, I'm not a conservative.

[Kaleredar]

I honestly can't imagine the sort of mindset that is so utterly pathetic as to feel the need to punch down at marginalized demographics for laughs.

Then again, I'm not a conservative.

No no no, don't you see, they're the marginalized demographic because people are hating on them just because they choose to be a bigot!

Something something something "so much for the tolerant left" something something


But hey, nobody casually passing by is going to "get" the joke, so it actually just looks like they support pride. An unintentional ally?

Same vibes as "Hahaha bro, you're so gay because you let me kiss you!"

Hmmm, perhaps the lady doth protest to much?

[Draco-Onis]

You can’t really take their health and safety area of focus to mean they have the power to do anything they wish with vaccination on a national scale. They’re a subsidiary department in the executive branch of government, and wielding a limited batch of delegated powers from the legislative branch. OSHA regularly gets rebuked by courts for overstepping its authority on workplace safety, or going too far in diagnosing a problem or correcting it. This is not so easily dismissed “health and safety matter so OSHA has authority to act as it sees fit.” Even a governor in Biden’s own party has written in opposition to the federal solution, desiring her own unique state solution and declaring the federal intervention too late.

Federal vaccines mandates are not new they go back centuries and even the right wing supreme court hasn't overturned them. Perhaps you disagree with the methodology but it is a necessary tool governments need in order to combat pandemics which we have had several since this country was founded. If you take that ability away and leave everything to the states you basically gut the governments ability to combat future pandemics.

Are you so dead set on "states rights" you want to risk setting that precedence? it's mind boggling you guys have become the pro-death party.

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Measles, mumps, polio, smallpox...national scale. And some of us are old enough to be damn grateful for it.

Since they have fully embraced the anti-vaxx movement they are against those vaccines too.

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I literally have no expectations of the GOP. I can only be glad when they manage to not be evil

But you support them and their evil.

[Beefhammer]

Poor Manchin in his Maserati. He's stuck having to deal with those poors.

Ahh yes, the Maserati. The poor mans version of a rich mans car.

[Beefhammer]

A Maserati Levante currently starts at $80k…

Exactly. Poor mans version of a rich mans car.

[unfilteredJW]

Weird that you think poor people can afford an $80K car.

Come on man.

[Fugus]

Weird that you think poor people can afford an $80K car.

And you think that the rich think 80k to be an expensive car?

A poor man’s version of a rich man’s car seems like an apt description at that price point.

[Beefhammer]

Weird that you think poor people can afford an $80K car.

The rich are buying cars easily double to quadruple the price. Many large trucks can come close to $80K

[Endus]

Weird that you think poor people can afford an $80K car.

It's like 2-3 times the price of a cheap, normal car.

Translate that to food prices. A Big Mac meal is what, $8? So that's our "cheap" option. We're not considering cooking for ourselves, here. So three times that is $24. That's a basic entree price at basically any decent steak house or non-chain restaurant. That's a poor man's idea of a fancy restaurant. It isn't fine dining with a Michelin-star chef or something. Taking a girl out for a dinner that's gonna cost you maybe $100 with drinks and desserts isn't particularly impressive. Not when you could easily order a bottle of wine that costs twice that, alone.

Poor people can't afford the $80k car. But it's what they think they might be able to afford if they got some money, won the lottery, or something. Because they don't even know about the actual high-end vehicle industry. They can't even dream that big.

[Blur4stuff]

Putting politics completely aside, maserati is generally regarded as a low quality, unreliable, but expensive vehicle that clueless people buy. It reminds me of when we learned Trump eats his steak well done with ketchup.

Anyhow, we know who Manchin is. We've known for a long time that he doesn't truly give a shit about softening the blow of climate change or any other important problem we face. I don't ever expect someone like him to do what's right. He'll live out the rest of his live believing he's a decent person and then probably die before having to witness any of the consequences of his inaction. This goes for almost the entire republican party and a disgusting percentage of dems too.

This will eventually change. It's going to be too late by then. Maybe it's already too late. This decade is still going to be one big struggle, but I see that changing dramatically in the following 10-20 years.

[PhaelixWW]

Yep, they’re Tesla with gasoline. Still doesn’t mean anyone but the rich can afford that shit. Especially due to maintenance costs.

Have you really never seen someone lease or even buy a car that they really can't afford?

Weird. That shit happens daily.