Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Captain N]

People who don't understand how supply and demand works angry at Biden Administration for things outside of their control. It's almost like I heard this before during the Obama Administration....

[Endus]

Here's the next "Biden Betrayed Me" bandwagon.
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The Salena Zito of Glenn Greenwalds.

If you're so angry that your holiday cost you a few bucks more than last years', and that's gonna change how you vote in 2022, you're a selfish, entitled, privileged snowflake.

Particularly since, if you want to blame something for increased prices during a pandemic, the true villain is the capitalist economy you're living within. And Biden ain't responsible for that. But somehow, the people raising these issues aren't the anti-capitalist types. They're the uninformed and willfully ignorant rubes who both don't given enough of a shit to inform themselves about anything, but also feel entitled to have their opinions heard and respected by everyone else.

In other words; they're whiny smooth-brained morons. Karens, blaming the "manager" of the USA because they (the Karens) are too fucking stupid to realize they're their own main problem.

[Azadina]

If you're so angry that your holiday cost you a few bucks more than last years', and that's gonna change how you vote in 2022, you're a selfish, entitled, privileged snowflake.

Particularly since, if you want to blame something for increased prices during a pandemic, the true villain is the capitalist economy you're living within. And Biden ain't responsible for that. But somehow, the people raising these issues aren't the anti-capitalist types. They're the uninformed and willfully ignorant rubes who both don't given enough of a shit to inform themselves about anything, but also feel entitled to have their opinions heard and respected by everyone else.

In other words; they're whiny smooth-brained morons. Karens, blaming the "manager" of the USA because they (the Karens) are too fucking stupid to realize they're their own main problem.

Now now Endus, have some compassion! These fine people were only able to afford half a trunk full of soda to wash down the turkey, rather than half a trunk full, and 2 packs of cigars each. Can you not see how traumatic of an experience that is? The utter humiliation of it? BIDEN does it on purpose!

/s

[Belize]

Here's the next "Biden Betrayed Me" bandwagon.
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Christ, they couldn't have gotten a more American looking image if they tried...

[Endus]

Now now Endus, have some compassion! These fine people were only able to afford half a trunk full of soda to wash down the turkey, rather than half a trunk full, and 2 packs of cigars each. Can you not see how traumatic of an experience that is? The utter humiliation of it? BIDEN does it on purpose!

/s

Like, I get that you're sarcastic, but clearly the lady in the image can afford a 23-lb turkey and such. The article (once I hunted down a reprint off the NYT main site) lists that she's huffy that the bird cost $0.49/lb this year, up from $0.33/lb last year. In other words, she's bitching about a price difference equivalent to a mid-range Starbucks coffee.

Another lady in the article is complaining because the raise she got as a manager at McDonalds is being eaten away by prices; hello, that isn't Biden's fault. It's McDonalds'. Your employer is paying you shit wages that aren't keeping pace with cost of living. Demand better.

My compassion is reserved for those who can't afford such a holiday meal, even when times aren't lean. These people aren't struggling, and they're stealing the focus away from those who are, out of their own unwarranted sense of self-importance and self-entitlement.

[PhaelixWW]

Like, I get that you're sarcastic, but clearly the lady in the image can afford a 23-lb turkey and such. The article (once I hunted down a reprint off the NYT main site) lists that she's huffy that the bird cost $0.49/lb this year, up from $0.33/lb last year. In other words, she's bitching about a price difference equivalent to a mid-range Starbucks coffee.

Another lady in the article is complaining because the raise she got as a manager at McDonalds is being eaten away by prices; hello, that isn't Biden's fault. It's McDonalds'. Your employer is paying you shit wages that aren't keeping pace with cost of living. Demand better.

Someone should have immediately followed up these interviews with questions about how much each family will save in taxes under Biden's tax plans.

Like, the wilful ignorance here is astounding.

[Edge-]

A LOT of it is kinda the fault of POTUS's and the media. Presidents love to claim responsibility for anything good happening...even if the executive branch has nothing to do with it and can't actually claim any credit. It's something all presidents do looking for good news.

But media have sorta taken that and just fuckin ran with it. The way they cover POTUS you'd often have little to no idea that there is even much of a separation of power or what the authorities and limitations of the executive branch even are. Inflation being a good and obvious/topical example, since POTUS largely has nothing to do with inflation - especially the inflation we're seeing now, and consequently can't really do much about it short of put pressure in some places. The most Biden could do is tap the strategic oil reserves to try to get down prices, but even that won't necessarily lower prices since those are set by the gas stations/corporations.

Media, especially corporate media, do a (not) shockingly terrible job of interviewing actual people and presenting the stories in context, and CNN is particularly bad at it. Remember the 12 gallons of milk family? That's a good example of how shit they usually are.

Like, report their beliefs, but if you're going to interview them maybe also sit down and have a conversation to help educate them about the actual causes of inflation before just writing a very long story about how they don't know how economies work. Do some good for the people reading the article, even if most folks reading a longer NYT article are more likely to be aware of it to begin with.

[jonnysensible]

I really don't have any sense of what Biden would do if Russia go deeper into Ukraine. Can't see troops being put thrown in.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...raine-invasion

[Santti]

I really don't have any sense of what Biden would do if Russia go deeper into Ukraine. Can't see troops being put thrown in.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...raine-invasion

Oh, it's just little green men on a vacation, not Russia and their soldiers. So it's fine to go and rinse them, if they start trouble.

[Zan15]

Christ, they couldn't have gotten a more American looking image if they tried...

when low on cash.....fill the trunk up with soda!!!!

[Azadina]

Like, I get that you're sarcastic, but clearly the lady in the image can afford a 23-lb turkey and such. The article (once I hunted down a reprint off the NYT main site) lists that she's huffy that the bird cost $0.49/lb this year, up from $0.33/lb last year. In other words, she's bitching about a price difference equivalent to a mid-range Starbucks coffee.

Another lady in the article is complaining because the raise she got as a manager at McDonalds is being eaten away by prices; hello, that isn't Biden's fault. It's McDonalds'. Your employer is paying you shit wages that aren't keeping pace with cost of living. Demand better.

My compassion is reserved for those who can't afford such a holiday meal, even when times aren't lean. These people aren't struggling, and they're stealing the focus away from those who are, out of their own unwarranted sense of self-importance and self-entitlement.

I'll never understand well off people whining about minor price increases. I just don't. It's like they've never once in their life had any hardship that wasn't caused by themselves, and thus don't have any perspective, nor anything better to do.

Like, just as random example, on saturday I just felt like ordering couple donuts from a pastry store. 30 bucks. Their prices have well more than doubled in the last 10 years, but not once did it occur to me to seek interviews to whine about the price increase, so I could blame random politician for it. Not. Once.

[Endus]

A LOT of it is kinda the fault of POTUS's and the media. Presidents love to claim responsibility for anything good happening...even if the executive branch has nothing to do with it and can't actually claim any credit. It's something all presidents do looking for good news.

But media have sorta taken that and just fuckin ran with it. The way they cover POTUS you'd often have little to no idea that there is even much of a separation of power or what the authorities and limitations of the executive branch even are. Inflation being a good and obvious/topical example, since POTUS largely has nothing to do with inflation - especially the inflation we're seeing now, and consequently can't really do much about it short of put pressure in some places. The most Biden could do is tap the strategic oil reserves to try to get down prices, but even that won't necessarily lower prices since those are set by the gas stations/corporations.

Media, especially corporate media, do a (not) shockingly terrible job of interviewing actual people and presenting the stories in context, and CNN is particularly bad at it. Remember the 12 gallons of milk family? That's a good example of how shit they usually are.

Like, report their beliefs, but if you're going to interview them maybe also sit down and have a conversation to help educate them about the actual causes of inflation before just writing a very long story about how they don't know how economies work. Do some good for the people reading the article, even if most folks reading a longer NYT article are more likely to be aware of it to begin with.

I actually think the US media here are edging right up to deliberate dishonesty, and an abandonment of basic principles. Your responsibility as a journalist is not simply to report, it is to inform. Interviews such as these should not be run without critical analysis of their claims; if the interviewees are wrong or mistaken, that's the story.

And no, leaving it to the reader is not responsible journalism. First; you expressed a journalistic position implicitly through choice of subject matter and whether/how you were critical. Claims of "neutrality" are fundamentally false; you framed the article through a particular lens, and you're hiding that. Second, if readers were capable of such analysis, why would they be seeking out your analysis?

This article states this could affect Democrats in electoral results, but by not questioning why that is, the author implicitly supports the idea that these things should have that effect. It is not a neutral article, solely reporting the facts; these accounts were sought out, and presented uncritically. That's an editorial choice regarding what readers should take from this. And no one writing for the NYT should be so colossally ignorant about their own profession that they don't understand this.

[Draco-Onis]

I actually think the US media here are edging right up to deliberate dishonesty, and an abandonment of basic principles. Your responsibility as a journalist is not simply to report, it is to inform. Interviews such as these should not be run without critical analysis of their claims; if the interviewees are wrong or mistaken, that's the story.

And no, leaving it to the reader is not responsible journalism. First; you expressed a journalistic position implicitly through choice of subject matter and whether/how you were critical. Claims of "neutrality" are fundamentally false; you framed the article through a particular lens, and you're hiding that. Second, if readers were capable of such analysis, why would they be seeking out your analysis?

This article states this could affect Democrats in electoral results, but by not questioning why that is, the author implicitly supports the idea that these things should have that effect. It is not a neutral article, solely reporting the facts; these accounts were sought out, and presented uncritically. That's an editorial choice regarding what readers should take from this. And no one writing for the NYT should be so colossally ignorant about their own profession that they don't understand this.

It's not ignorance US media is solely focused on getting clicks which is why even typically "left wing" organizations have no qualms about funding OAN and other extremist networks. It is a byproduct of lack of regulation and capitalism running wild as is most ills in our country.

[Elenos]

I really don't have any sense of what Biden would do if Russia go deeper into Ukraine. Can't see troops being put thrown in.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...raine-invasion

They can't do much. Fact is if Russia wants to conquer Ukraine they will conquer Ukraine, simple as that, but we really don't know what, if anything, Putin wants to do.

Sanctions? Beyond being pointless in changing Putin's course and sanctions always hurt both sides. Now let's assume Biden would be willing to go for the nuclear option of sanctions: As in sectoral sanctions on Russia's oil and gas. Those would not hurt Russia the most but Europe who would see it's gas bill more then triple and we already can't pay for the prices that have skyrocketed!

Personally I've wondered for some years why Putin didn't just go for it, guess he was just laying the groundwork.

[jonnysensible]

They can't do much. Fact is if Russia wants to conquer Ukraine they will conquer Ukraine, simple as that, but we really don't know what, if anything, Putin wants to do.

Sanctions? Beyond being pointless in changing Putin's course and sanctions always hurt both sides. Now let's assume Biden would be willing to go for the nuclear option of sanctions: As in sectoral sanctions on Russia's oil and gas. Those would not hurt Russia the most but Europe who would see it's gas bill more then triple and we already can't pay for the prices that have skyrocketed!

Personally I've wondered for some years why Putin didn't just go for it, guess he was just laying the groundwork.

the trick is sanctioning and freezing oligarchs cash so that they actually have to live in the oppressive Russia they support. Make sure their kids cant get visa's etc.

[Breccia]

Ladies and gentlemen, the White House decorations.

[Shadowferal]

Ladies and gentlemen, the White House decorations.

*grr...

[YUPPIE]

watching this man's ongoing speech, his monotonous, repetitive, and frankly aggressive requests to get vaccinated and boosted scares me more than convince. And I'm not even against vaccinations.

[Breccia]

frankly aggressive requests

If they even exist.

[Endus]

watching this man's ongoing speech, his monotonous, repetitive, and frankly aggressive requests to get vaccinated and boosted scares me more than convince. And I'm not even against vaccinations.

Sure, blame the President seeking to get his citizens vaccination, not the frothing anti-vaxx masses and representatives pushing harmful disinformation with the intended result of getting hundreds of thousands of Americans unnecessarily killed.

But sure, Biden maybe sounds a bit mean about it sometimes. He's the villain.

You can't possibly think anyone will take you seriously.

Edit: Before you call this "hyperbole" or something, they're already at that body count level, so I'm not in any way exaggerating or forecasting those figures. That's the baseline today, and they want more bodies to add to the pile.