Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Endus]

You wish to claim that it was not democratic socialism but authoritarian socialism that was responsible, I can grant you that but if you believe anyone will ever ignore the bloody history attached to the word socialism then well you are mistaken, and we have better proven ways that have achieved more. Ones that are related to capitalism.

Capitalism's death tolls are just as high, and ongoing. Mass famines, the Transatlantic Slave Trade, and so on.

You're applying a double standard, here, in an attempt to "justify" an irrational position.

[Breccia]

Well, they have chosen to lie since the pandemic started. Ever since they had that whole ordeal with that woman they tried to arrest for reporting the numbers correctly, they have fucked up.

I honestly wonder if Florida intentionally took actions that could be considered criminal. Of course, DeSantis would not have such an investigation on his own behavior, so I doubt it'll come up. Unless he kills so many Floridians even Florida won't elect him.

[postman1782]

I honestly wonder if Florida intentionally took actions that could be considered criminal. Of course, DeSantis would not have such an investigation on his own behavior, so I doubt it'll come up. Unless he kills so many Floridians even Florida won't elect him.

Considering he was literally taking bids for vaccines when they were first available, it would not surprise me if he did lots of things illegal, especially when he is vaccinate, but pushing Regeneron, that doesn't work anymore, because he owns a lot of stock in the company now.

[Poopymonster]

I honestly wonder if Florida intentionally took actions that could be considered criminal. Of course, DeSantis would not have such an investigation on his own behavior, so I doubt it'll come up. Unless he kills so many Floridians even Florida won't elect him.

To reach that many, you'd have to massively depopulate the state. D-day predicted casualty levels of corpses. Whole massacres of dead people*.

*The accepted name of a unit of X. Example: Pack of dogs. Pride of lions. Strut of hookers. Massacre of dead people.
Source: Beavis and Butthead episode: Animation sucks.

[Breccia]

To reach that many, you'd have to massively depopulate the state. D-day predicted casualty levels of corpses.

Well people could choose not to vote for DeSantis, because he killed a friend or family member. But yes, he's nowhere near the body count yet.

[Dontrike]

I could find it but too uninterested in the exact tweet but Desantis or Florida GOP official twitter tried to do a GREAT deflect by tweeting at AOC why she is in Florida when COVID is going on.

CLASSIC!

More than that. They tried making fun of a guy's feet and that he was wearing sandals. It's easily the weirdest fucking thing I've seen the GQP try and insult someone for, and that's saying something.

[Kaleredar]

I honestly wonder if Florida intentionally took actions that could be considered criminal. Of course, DeSantis would not have such an investigation on his own behavior, so I doubt it'll come up. Unless he kills so many Floridians even Florida won't elect him.

The election was apparently quite close between desantis and his opponent. If the democrats can adequately demonstrate what a colossal fuck up desantis has been, they might be able to oust him.

But as I said in the 2020 election (thank the good God it didn’t matter) it’s never a good idea to bet on Florida not doing the wrong thing.

[DarkTZeratul]

The election was apparently quite close between desantis and his opponent. If the democrats can adequately demonstrate what a colossal fuck up desantis has been, they might be able to oust him.

But as I said in the 2020 election (thank the good God it didn’t matter) it’s never a good idea to bet on Florida not doing the wrong thing.

It has been pointed out that the vote difference between DeSantis and his opponent in the last election was smaller than the number of Floridians who have since died from Covid.

[Toppy]

I've been... trying to keep out of politics since its just been, to demoralizing. Though with a new year I'm genuinly curious. What has Biden done through the year? From what I've been gathering he's largely just been bringing things back to a state thats just below what it was when Trump was coming in and refusing to use his executive power to affect any major, new, changes. Like he thinks the problem is just things were great before Trump so he needs to make it like it was before Trump came.

[Dezerte]

In Western Europe we have what is called the Social Market Economy, a type of capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy or very similar things, no country is really embracing democratic socialism, and certainly none authoritarian socialism.

The dictionary definition here: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../social-market

"an economic system which combines a free market (= market based on supply and demand) with some government control and financial help for people who are ill, unemployed, etc.:"

Here's what the wiki has to say about it:

"The "social" segment is often wrongly confused with socialism and democratic socialism. Although aspects were inspired by democratic socialism, the social market approach rejects the socialist ideas of replacing private property and markets with social ownership and economic planning. The "social" element of the model instead refers to support for the provision of equal opportunity and protection of those unable to enter the free market labor force because of old-age, disability, or unemployment."

This is crucial. The countries that have embraced this model or similar ones including the Nordic Countries and the Swiss have ensured the highest standards of living for their people. Unrestrained capitalism has not, though it certainly has achieved higher then other systems.

The link doesn't contradict anything I've said. There are many social democratic (a form of socialism) parties in Europe that have been highly influential in the successful development of said countries. Regularly voted for and in power in several governments in Europe throughout history, and they (socialists of all kinds) maintain a large voting bloc in the EU as well, with S&D currently having 175 seats and EUL 39 seats.

[Shadowferal]

Yeah, DeSantis is probably on a ventilator somewhere.

Well, if such was the case it would have to be headed; "Bitter irony or poetic justice? You decide!"

[Lenonis]

and refusing to use his executive power to affect any major, new, changes.

what powers would that be that he's refusing to use? Specifics please.

[Fugus]

I've been... trying to keep out of politics since its just been, to demoralizing. Though with a new year I'm genuinly curious. What has Biden done through the year? From what I've been gathering he's largely just been bringing things back to a state thats just below what it was when Trump was coming in and refusing to use his executive power to affect any major, new, changes. Like he thinks the problem is just things were great before Trump so he needs to make it like it was before Trump came.

Whether Biden would have tried for anything sweeping if given the chance we can’t say for sure.

Joe Manchin is making sure we can’t do anything by refusing to vote for it while also keeping the filibuster in place so the Democrats need 60 votes in the Senate to pass it.

All while the Republicans vote against everything and then when stuff actually passes despite them they try and take credit for it.

[Shadowferal]

I think the goal of any Democrat president is to be another Roosevelt.

[Fugus]

I think the goal of any Democrat president is to be another Roosevelt.

Not really, they want to be CALLED it, but they don’t want to actually push the policies that would earn it.

Just like the Republicans want the golden age of capitalism but refuse to put in the work and policies that created it.

[Shadowferal]

Just like the Republicans want the golden age of capitalism but refuse to put in the work and policies that created it.

There was a golden age?

[Fugus]

There was a golden age?

Yeah, we had strong unions on the top marginal tax rate was like 90% but we had a strong economy and workers were able to live off their labor.

Was from 1945 to around 1970's. You can actually google it, it wasn't just some modern slang it was a definite period of time that earned that label.

[unfilteredJW]

Yeah, we had strong unions on the top marginal tax rate was like 90% but we had a strong economy and workers were able to live off their labor.

Was from 1945 to around 1970's. You can actually google it, it wasn't just some modern slang it was a definite period of time that earned that label.

Yeah that was a golden age for everyone.

[Fugus]

Yeah that was a golden age for everyone.

Yep, and the GOP want to return to it without doing the work that got us there. And they aren't going to be able to return to that with gutted unions, poverty wages, high education costs, and taxes on the rich so low it drives us into debt. They won't even admit those were major factors in it or give credit to the people that created it.

While the DNC also refuses to actually push for them when they have a chance, they just want to be remembered in the same light as the people who did while refusing to push for it and actively pushing against it at times all while pretending they want to return to them when they have no power.

To actively get us to that level again would effectively require us to throw out the entire republican party along with 98% of the democratic party and replacing them with people who actively admit they have to do the work if they want to get the reward and will actually push for that work to be done.

[Endus]

Yeah that was a golden age for everyone.

It's convenient to people to ignore the experiences of those disadvantaged by the system they support.

It was a golden age!
Unless you were black.
Really, anything non-white. Note we've conveniently set the date to immediately after the most egregious anti-Semitic shit.
Or a woman. Really not a great time for women, even if steps were made.
Definitely not for immigrants.
Or Korea/Vietnam draftees.
Definitely hell if you weren't cisgender or heterosexual.
But hey, if you were part of the minority of cishet white dudes who weren't being drafted and killed overseas, golden age!