Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

What hook, what are you talking about? Did you not watch the Primaries and how Biden didn't start winning until people who was beating him dropped out? I wish we had gotten Sanders instead at least he seems be more reasonable.

Nobody thinks for a second you are a Sanders supporter.

[BlackDruid96]

And guess what? They're still not forcibly vaccinating anyone, merely imposing sanctions on those who don't choose to do so themselves. You still haven't explained how what they're doing today is somehow setting a dangerous precedent that didn't exist back then.

I said you couldn't force anyone to vaccinate, you said I was wrong, I proved I was right and now you're saying this? Of course they're not forcing vaccinating anyone because they can't. My message from the start is that I don't believe you should force anyone to put anything in their body. Then you came back with they already have when they didn't. I think you're arguing in circles or you're unclear what you are saying.

[unfilteredJW]

I said you couldn't force anyone to vaccinate, you said I was wrong, I proved I was right and now you're saying this? Of course they're not forcing vaccinating anyone because they can't. My message from the start is that I don't believe you should force anyone to put anything in their body. Then you came back with they already have when they didn't. I think you're arguing in circles or you're unclear what you are saying.

No one is forcing anything into anyone’s body.

But not being vaccinated means you don’t care about the safety of those around you, and businesses are allowed to tell you to fuck off.

[PhaelixWW]

No one is forcing anything into anyone’s body.

But not being vaccinated means you don’t care about the safety of those around you, and businesses are allowed to tell you to fuck off.

More to the point, the government is allowed to tell businesses to tell you to fuck off.

[Endus]

It's not about being sneaky, it's about 2 things, the fact the media tried to cover up the chant with a lie

No, they didn't. This is a made-up conspiracy theory.

and it let's you get past the censors. I know it isn't as brave as holding a bloody severed head like they did with Trump, but there you have it.

The severed head thing was one person (Kathy Griffin), and she got a lot of public censure for it.

The "Let's Go Brandon" thing has become a populist meme among right-wing fascists.

Also, the "censors" would only care about the word "fuck" in this instance. Not that you're criticizing Biden. Where they even exist. Which they mostly don't, outside of broadcast television. Where they exist because of right-wing prudishness in the first place, y'know.

Then you must live in a very different place, yes you can wear them in public but try having signs like that in HOA's or shopping in certain stores.

"Oh noes, the consequences of my own actions! How unfair!"

He's really is that bad, he will go down as one of the worst Presidents, the guy doesn't have a clue what's going on. We had way better options but the DNC rigged the primaries just to beat Sanders.

Hey look, more baseless conspiracy garbage.

How did Biden in 5th place during the primaries get to the top spot? When everyone who was beating him dropped out and put their support behind him? That's a conspiracy theory to you? It was such a major issue that Primary voters are wanting to change the vote system.

Yes, it's a conspiracy. People kept dropping out when their support lagged so far behind the leaders in the race they didn't see a chance at recovery. Biden was never fifth place; he was the front-runner basically from the start in the national polls;

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ry-d/national/

He had a brief dip below Sanders for one stretch, before raging back to the front. Where he'd been the entire race up until that point. Why are you making shit up like this? You don't get to make shit up and pretend they're facts.

[DarkTZeratul]

I said you couldn't force anyone to vaccinate, you said I was wrong, I proved I was right and now you're saying this? Of course they're not forcing vaccinating anyone because they can't. My message from the start is that I don't believe you should force anyone to put anything in their body. Then you came back with they already have when they didn't. I think you're arguing in circles or you're unclear what you are saying.

You said "a dangerous precedent is being set" with regards to the government's vaccine mandate (which is, to be clear, not forcing people to vaccinate so much as imposing consequences if they don't). I pointed out that this is the same precedent set a hundred years ago, but somehow you think it's different this time?

[tehdang]

Thanks for clarifying. So I guess he's just saying "hey, if anyone sues, count me in"?

“Please, judges, consider the following legal arguments when you consider the case in chambers”

There’s two suits under consideration, that had actual motions and appeals, and Pence is party to neither. And amicus briefs are filed all the time by all kinds of law firms, nonprofits, special interest groups, university departments, individuals it’s pretty routine.

[PhaelixWW]

“Please, judges, consider the following legal arguments when you consider the case in chambers”

An amicus curiae doesn't actually have to be a legal argument, just information that a third party feels could help inform the court's decision.

There’s two suits under consideration, that had actual motions and appeals, and Pence is party to neither. And amicus briefs are filed all the time by all kinds of law firms, nonprofits, special interest groups, university departments, individuals it’s pretty routine.

Yeah, this is a fairly nothingberder.

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...7744301d4489df

“Capitalism without competition isn’t capitalism — it’s exploitation,” Biden said.

Well, Biden did say he was a capitalist. It's just nice that he has enough awareness about capitalism to not be a blind cultist to the invisible hand.

Had a meeting with farmers and ranchers to discuss food prices and the stranglehold that 4 companies have on the US meat market, and how the lack of competition actively hurts capitalist competition and leads to higher prices for consumers.

The wheel, it keeps on-a-turnin.

[tehdang]

An amicus curiae doesn't actually have to be a legal argument, just information that a third party feels could help inform the court's decision.



Yeah, this is a fairly nothingberder.

Yes, that too.

[Endus]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...7744301d4489df



Well, Biden did say he was a capitalist. It's just nice that he has enough awareness about capitalism to not be a blind cultist to the invisible hand.

Had a meeting with farmers and ranchers to discuss food prices and the stranglehold that 4 companies have on the US meat market, and how the lack of competition actively hurts capitalist competition and leads to higher prices for consumers.

The wheel, it keeps on-a-turnin.

The problem, pre-emptively recognized by Adam Smith but ignored by every pro-capitalist Mook ever since, is that the capitalists have most of the power in this system, and will use that power to secure the rest of it, if allowed to. Hence his position that producers should be given secondary consideration in all regulatory cases, their interests and needs only to be considered by the government in as much as they line up with the consumers interests, and in any case of conflict, the government eschewing the producers interests to favor the consumer.

No "balance": complete rejection of the producers' interests when they run contrary to the consumers'.

That, of course, doesn't line up with capitalism in practice, because Adam Smith would probably be a market socialist if he was re-evaluating today. The whole system is deeply corrupt and exploitation is the central definitive feature, not a bug at all.

[PhaelixWW]

Well, Biden did say he was a capitalist. It's just nice that he has enough awareness about capitalism to not be a blind cultist to the invisible hand.

Any person with a modicum of sense who supports the idea of capitalism supports it in this way. To me, the idea of capitalism doesn't properly exist without some socialist checks and balances. Anyone worshiping the invisible hand is unclear on its utility; because it's ultimately a tool, not a deity. The concept of laissez-faire works up to a point, but is fallible in its extremity.

[Edge-]

Any person with a modicum of sense who supports the idea of capitalism supports it in this way.

Which I'm sure you realize weeds out a depressingly large number of people in the US, and seemingly most of the Republican party as of the past handful of decades. There's little critical though about what capitalism is, or should be, amongst that crowd. Just the usual sloganeering of "Capitalism good, socialism bad." without any further reflection, thought, or consideration.

[Orange Joe]

It's not about being sneaky, it's about 2 things, the fact the media tried to cover up the chant with a lie and it let's you get past the censors. I know it isn't as brave as holding a bloody severed head like they did with Trump, but there you have it.

Lets not make it more than it was. It was 1 person not the media.

On October 2, 2021, racing driver Brandon Brown was being interviewed by NBC Sports reporter Kelli Stavast at the Talladega Superspeedway in Alabama, following his victory in the NASCAR Xfinity Series Sparks 300 race which was shortened due to darkness.^[11][12] Fans were chanting "Fuck Joe Biden",^[13] and this became clearly audible to viewers of the broadcast.^[14][1] On the live broadcast, while wearing a headset,^[15] reporter Stavast stated, "You can hear the chants from the crowd, 'Let's go, Brandon!'"^[3][11][16] It is unclear whether Stavast misunderstood the chant or whether she intentionally misquoted it as "Let's Go Brandon".^[11][17] If intentional, it may have been a verbal legerdemain.^[18][19]

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Why does it bother you so much anyway? He's a terrible President, I think it's something we all can agree with.

"Lets go brandon" bothers me less than "fuck trump" bothers you.

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So not "censorship" at all then. Just stores having policies. Y'all need to learn that words have meanings so you can use the correct ones.



You could have at least put a worm on this hook, dude.

The irony of.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fuck+trum...f=nb_sb_noss_1

Yet we are snowflake

meanwhile they are crying the can't say fuck joe biden.

[Edge-]

"Lets go brandon" bothers me less than "fuck trump" bothers you.

They mistake, "This is childish, stupid, and mildly annoying. Please just shut the fuck up in general." for "LAWL YOU'RE SO TRIGGERED, LIB!"

[PhaelixWW]

Which I'm sure you realize weeds out a depressingly large number of people in the US, and seemingly most of the Republican party as of the past handful of decades.

I mean... I literally started typing "nobody believes that a completely unrestrained laissez faire system is good..." and then I remembered the GoP constituency.

Which is why I changed my statement, yarp.

There's little critical though about what capitalism is, or should be, amongst that crowd. Just the usual sloganeering of "Capitalism good, socialism bad." without any further reflection, thought, or consideration.

As bad as that is, it's only slightly more shortsighted than the "capitalism bad, socialism good" crowd.

Like, haven't we evolved to the point of understanding that it's not taboo to make a system that employs the better parts of both?

But, whatever, I'm sure some people are going to inevitably come in here and attempt to argue the contrary simply because they're too invested in the belief that policies of capitalism and socialism are inherently mutually exclusive.

[postman1782]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...ts-waterhouse/

In a 7-2 vote, the Supreme Court upheld the mandate and the state’s right to fine citizens who did not comply, though it also decreed that no one could be forcibly vaccinated. “[T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly free from restraint,” wrote Justice John Marshall Harlan in the majority opinion. With that, the mandate enacted nearly 100 years prior was affirmed as constitutional.

No one is being forcefully vaccinated, so I don't know why you are saying they are.

[Paranoid Android]

President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris will deliver remarks on Thursday to mark the one-year anniversary of the January 6 attack on the US Capitol https://t.co/7BTL4g7xys

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/stat...w4NIa1cNQ&s=19

This is stupid and cringe.

Even if it's a rousing speech, I doubt it will move anyone. Looking forward when elections are here and we likely had more evidence from January 6th Committee will not help the Dems.

To me this is shocking that a President of the Republican party committed insurrection. This should turn off people to destroy this party. Not talking about the fascist Trumpets, but the ones who will vote just for some tax cuts or other old Republican ideals.

[Endus]

As bad as that is, it's only slightly more shortsighted than the "capitalism bad, socialism good" crowd.

Like, haven't we evolved to the point of understanding that it's not taboo to make a system that employs the better parts of both?

But, whatever, I'm sure some people are going to inevitably come in here and attempt to argue the contrary simply because they're too invested in the belief that policies of capitalism and socialism are inherently mutually exclusive.

I've asked people repeatedly what, exactly, they think is "better" than the alternatives to capitalism, and why. Never gotten a defensible answer.

Maybe you'll be the one.

Pre-emptive notice that any comments about benefits from market systems will be tossed as deflection, since there's nothing "capitalist" to be found there. Market economics predate capitalism, and while most capitalist systems rely on them, plenty of non-capitalist systems, including socialist forms, do too.

[PhaelixWW]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...ts-waterhouse/

In a 7-2 vote, the Supreme Court upheld the mandate and the state’s right to fine citizens who did not comply, though it also decreed that no one could be forcibly vaccinated. “[T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly free from restraint,” wrote Justice John Marshall Harlan in the majority opinion. With that, the mandate enacted nearly 100 years prior was affirmed as constitutional.

That WaPo article is wrong, though. SCOTUS didn't decree that nobody could be forcibly vaccinated. That wasn't even an issue in Jacobson v Mass. The case was about the $5 fine associated with refusing the mandated vaccine. The law never attempted to actually forcibly vaccinate anyone in the first place.