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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Pot, meet kettle, I’m not Clinton, I didn’t run off her voters.
    Scrub away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Choosing to doggedly eat shit because you wanted burgers but everyone else voted to order pizza still means you're choosing to eat shit. When the alternative was pizza.
    Sorry don’t see it that way, I didn’t choose for Clinton to run her voters off. Blame her for that, not me.
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  3. #14023
    Quote Originally Posted by MuH sTaTe LiNeS View Post
    nice. it's finally happening.
    So, you think of women as 2nd class citizens too? Not surprising.

  4. #14024
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Scrub away.
    Nothing to scrub, my hands are clean. But if you really want to split hairs I guess I can take my 3% of the blame that goes to the voters she ran off, but make sure you lay the 50%+ of the blame that Clinton earns for running us off at her feet.
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    Man, I didn't figure that we'd still be having the same argument about the 2016 election in the year 2022 after Democrats retook the White House, but here we are.

    I'm sure we'll have all the same exciting and interesting nonversations we've been having for the past six years on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Sorry don’t see it that way, I didn’t choose for Clinton to run her voters off. Blame her for that, not me.
    Nothing Clinton did "ran her voters off". Take some ownership for your own choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, you think of women as 2nd class citizens too? Not surprising.
    This is unfair.

    They think of women as brood mares, who shouldn't even be considered citizens, just property of some man somewhere. They think women are, fundamentally, more akin to livestock than people.

    Opposing abortion rights means you respect the rights and dignity of a corpse more than a living woman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, I didn't figure that we'd still be having the same argument about the 2016 election in the year 2022 after Democrats retook the White House, but here we are.

    I'm sure we'll have all the same exciting and interesting nonversations we've been having for the past six years on this topic.
    Hate to say it but probably because blaming the voters for not falling over to vote for her is easier than blaming her like it was owed to her.

    As I said, I was willing to hold my nose till her shit with DWS which was slapping her voters in the face.

    I doubt you agree with me on this either but I still don’t regret my vote and if I could go back that far, I instead go back further and show her what her pride and ego caused and why she should show her voters more respect and not act like she was owed or had a gun to their heads.
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  8. #14028
    Its time for biden to step up, none of this fucking moderation bullshit. If you get elected on protecting from the anti democratic far right you do have to actually do something when you own the house, presidency and can end the filibuster in the senate.

    Big test for him

  9. #14029
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Nothing Clinton did "ran her voters off". Take some ownership for your own choices.
    So you are saying that when Debbie was forced to step down for her actions and a good deal of her voters hated her for it, that Clinton didn’t snatch her up the same day and put her in her campaign and figurative slap her voters in the face because “I’m winning!’

    I take full responsibility for my vote, I voted down ballot Democrat on that ballot except on the president part I wrote in Sanders name instead as a protest vote because of her actions.

    I take full responsibility for it and don’t deny it nor do I deny why I did it.
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    Clinton could have directly called my white trash, but as long as she kept rights intact I wouldn't have cared about the insult. A verbal insult =/= actual harmful policy

    and no, hiring someone I dislike because of the debate snafu isnt harmful policy either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Clinton could have directly called my white trash, but as long as she kept rights intact I wouldn't have cared about the insult. A verbal insult =/= actual harmful policy

    and no, hiring someone I dislike isnt harmful policy either
    Then blame Clinton for running her voters off. I will not vote to someone who actively snubs me.

    If I can actively defy someone who has a literal gun to my head I most definitely do it to someone who thinks they have one metaphorically at my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You could have just not mentioned Bernie and brought out the victim complex and nobody would have said a thing to you about it.
    No, I mentioned it because we have a few here who kept bringing it up with snide remarks so I figured might as well as it was going to come anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Then blame Clinton for running her voters off. I will not vote to someone who actively snubs me.

    If I can actively defy someone who has a literal gun to my head I most definitely do it to someone who thinks they have one metaphorically at my head.

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    No, I mentioned it because we have a few here who kept bringing it up with snide remarks so I figured might as well as it was going to come anyways.
    So you feelings getting hurt is somehow more important than policy difference. ok then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    So you are saying that when Debbie was forced to step down for her actions and a good deal of her voters hated her for it, that Clinton didn’t snatch her up the same day and put her in her campaign and figurative slap her voters in the face because “I’m winning!’
    I'm saying that was such a fucking minor detail that it has always come off as a bad-faith excuse for people whose minds were made up well before she even announced her candidacy.

    I take full responsibility for my vote
    If you're claiming you were "run off by Clinton", no, you're not. Hence my point.


  14. #14034
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, you think of women as 2nd class citizens too? Not surprising.
    just not cool with killing unborn children that's all.

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    who gives a fuck about clinton shes at the met gala on the lash.

    whats biden going to do about it, thats all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuH sTaTe LiNeS View Post
    just not cool with killing unborn children that's all.
    Gotta treat women like breeding livestock rather than people, because of a magical belief in nonexistent hypothetical future children that won't exist.


  17. #14037
    Quote Originally Posted by MuH sTaTe LiNeS View Post
    just not cool with killing unborn children that's all.
    No one believes you. Or any idiot who claims this.

    If they/you believed that abortion was "killing unborn children," the GOP would be passing laws to put women and doctors/nurses in jail. They don't, so it isn't. Not even to them. It's a political tool to get gullible morons to vote for them despite offering literally nothing beneficial to society. Nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuH sTaTe LiNeS View Post
    just not cool with killing unborn children that's all.
    given that the result seems to be doctors are more hesitant to perform medically necessary abortion and thus force the woman to either leave to state or, as in Ireland, DIE, seems your desired result is worse

  19. #14039
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'm saying that was such a fucking minor detail that it has always come off as a bad-faith excuse for people whose minds were made up well before she even announced her candidacy.



    If you're claiming you were "run off by Clinton", no, you're not. Hence my point.
    Not bad faith at all, I am dead serious on here. And you know damn well she did exactly what I stated and I keep mentioning that same event because that, for me, was the straw that broke the camels back.

    You might not like that many voters take stuff like that personally and won’t support someone who actively snubs them, they exist and she knew that and did it anyways.

    As I said, I take full responsibility for my vote and while I hate what Trump has done, the blame for him getting into power lies more with the politician who snubbed her own voters than the voters who refused to vote for someone who snubbed them.
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  20. #14040
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    What can he do while it's still only a draft?
    Congress can codify Roe v. Wade in law.

    If they don't have 60 votes to do it without the filibuster, they can get rid of the filibuster.

    Biden can threaten to pack the courts if such a blatantly anti-democratic opinion published by a court where Trump illegitimately put Gorsuch in after Republicans illegally stalled Garland's nomination, and then rushed ACB's nomination despite the same conditions.

    He can then, actually pack the courts.

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