Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Ripster42]

There are fewer veterans now than 20 years ago, not more.

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I can think of a war in the 60s and 70s that may have led to some injuries. The median Vietnam vet is ~68 years old as of this source, which would imply that they're ~73 now.

Of course, WW2 and Korean War veterans are passing away at higher rates than we're creating new veterans as well, hence the diminished number of total veterans linked above.

The type of vets who take up a majority of the VA funding would have already died from the injuries they received in WW2/Korea/Vietnam. You're not going to see double amputee vets from those wars. You're not going to see the vets who already developed cancer from being exposed to hazardous substances and died already.

Let's see if I can dig up that quote from 3 posts ago and highlight the operative words:

Who knew that spending on injured veterans would increase when there are more veterans.

[NED funded]

Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?

It feels justified out of all veteran spending

[Dontrike]

Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?

1. They don't actually care about veterans.
2. They don't want to give a win to democrats.
3. They are evil people.
4. They are evil people.

[Spectral]

That's not a bug, it's a Capitalist feature!
Underfund socialist program for Veterans.
Give subpar care to Veterans via bureaucracy.
Veterans die due to subpar care.
Cause of Death not listed as "Downed in Paperwork"
Number of Veterans go down.
But hey, they get a fancy funeral. Flags, guns, and all that America. So I guess that's something they get to look forward to.

This is pretty innumerate and historically illiterate. There isn't some evil capitalist conspiracy to deprive veterans (I linked the massive increase in spending on them a couple posts back), there are simply many fewer active duty troops than there used to be, resulting in fewer troops remaining.

[Shadowferal]

This is pretty innumerate and historically illiterate. There isn't some evil capitalist conspiracy to deprive veterans (I linked the massive increase in spending on them a couple posts back), there are simply many fewer active duty troops than there used to be, resulting in fewer troops remaining.

It's not depriving veterans of medical assistance.
It's about depriving democrats of any legislative win.

[Spectral]

Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?

It feels justified out of all veteran spending

They're not opposed to spending on the burn pits, they're opposed to shifting funds from discretionary to mandatory categorization as an end-run around discretionary spending caps in non-VA areas, at least according to Toomey:

[Kaleredar]

They're not opposed to spending on the burn pits, they're opposed to shifting funds from discretionary to mandatory categorization as an end-run around discretionary spending caps in non-VA areas, at least according to Toomey:

And again, they aren't providing solutions. They're saying "no, we wont pass this" because it is a purely political maneuver.

They don't want the democrats to have yet another legislative victory, because the GOP's platform is predicated entirely around claiming that the democrats can't get anything done and that's why you need to elect republicans to enact their nebulous, nonspecific platform of making all the scary people go away. Which is why they aren't saying "no we wont pass this form of the bill, but we're willing to engage in dialogue to ensure it passes..." and instead they're saying "evil dems changed a sentence so now we can't support helping out burn pit-related health issues, blame the democrats."


There is no legitimate concern about budgetary spending here, because no solution purporting such has been presented, because if it were it would be passed and the GOP is afraid that people would tally that up as a "victory" for the dems.

[lockybalboa]

So Brandon just got covid a second time lol.. 'Get the vaccine and you won't catch covid'.... You tell em Joe.

[Kaleredar]

So Brandon just got covid a second time lol.. 'Get the vaccine and you won't catch covid'.... You tell em Joe.

Who says that getting the vaccine meant you wouldn't catch COVID?


Getting the vaccine means you're more likely to survive, and less likely to spread, COVID. Which... you are. I mean, the vaccinated Trump survived his bout with COVID, and he's an old, exceptionally unhealthy fatass. And while his likely death from it had he not been vaccinated would have served a poignant morality lesson and certainly spared us a lot of unnecessary hassle and resulted in more capitol police being alive, modern medical science saved the day.




My god you people are bad at dunking on Biden. Go back to complaining about hamburger prices or whatever.

[lockybalboa]

Who says that getting the vaccine meant you wouldn't catch COVID?


Getting the vaccine means you're more likely to survive, and less likely to spread, COVID. Which... you are. I mean, the vaccinated Trump survived his bout with COVID, and he's an old, exceptionally unhealthy fatass. And while his likely death from it had he not been vaccinated would have served a poignant morality lesson and certainly spared us a lot of unnecessary hassle and resulted in more capitol police being alive, modern medical science saved the day.




My god you people are bad at dunking on Biden. Go back to complaining about hamburger prices or whatever.

Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall

[Machismo]

Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall

So, you're done pretending to be a Biden supporter?

[Flarelaine]

Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall

Unless you can provide the thread with a source for that claim, I fear I will find you are strawmanning just to annoy other posters in the thread. Please prove me wrong.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Unless you can provide the thread with a source for that claim, I fear I will find you are strawmanning just to annoy other posters in the thread. Please prove me wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/polit...uly/index.html

Who says that getting the vaccine meant you wouldn't catch COVID?

My god you people are bad at dunking on Biden. Go back to complaining about hamburger prices or whatever.

[Elegiac]

Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall

And what's your point?

Regardless of his generalizations, getting the vaccine is still an eminently good thing. It is not remotely the same thing as making a false claim while supporting policies that are explicitly harmful to public health as anti-vaxxers are wont to do.

As said, go back to complaining about hamburger prices or w/e.

[Kaleredar]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/polit...uly/index.html

...in which he had stated that you "weren't likely to get sick" in the same exchange.


See, that's the thing about you right wingers when you attempt some sort of "gotcha." Your people have said so, so, so much worse, and you don't care when they say it, so any attempt at moralizing when someone left-wing says something misleading (in the context of presenting it accurately, no less) that your petty flippancy can safely be excused as meaningless. Frankly, so long as Biden isn't touting horse dewormer, he's already doing better than your guy. Who got vaccinated anyway.

Again, go back to bitching about hamburgers.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Biden discussing Paxlovid after testing negative for WuFlu, before testing positive again a few days later.

Millions of Americans have used Paxlovoid...Paxlavid, excuse me...Paxlovid...I tell you what...I-I-I think it's...I-I used it...ha ha ha...Paxlovid including me.

I wish him another speedy recovery.

[Lenonis]

Trump supporters mocking biden's speeches should be screenshotted and added to the dictionary under hypocrisy.

[Kaleredar]

Trump supporters mocking biden's speeches should be screenshotted and added to the dictionary under hypocrisy.

Was Paxlovid discovered before or after the Americans bravely took the british airforce bases in the revolutionary war?

[Zan15]

Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall

Picking a single statement when he said multiple things in the same town hall about the vaxx.

He was mistaken on one of his sentences but the other two were correct with one being exaggerated.

Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit and you're not going to die." In another exchange moments later, Biden said that even if vaccinated people do "catch the virus," they are "not likely to get sick."
But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines "cover" the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: "You're not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations."

So, he exaggerated in the first.

Was right in the second.

Wrong in the last.


But you picked out the last part from your selective memory huh?


How many times since this one has, he claimed that the vaccines would prevent you from getting covid? Any? Zero? Zilch?
It's possible he has flubbed it again, but you make it seem like this has been something they are pushing as fact and standard when talking about the Covid vaccine.



Biden, His administration, CDC, Vaccine Manufacturers, public releases, all news channels, doctors, etc etc have all made it clear what the vaccine will do.


but then again what is expected from the right. They hold on tight to any little thing they can to push their narrative since they are still bitter, they lost. Rather win the next game...i mean...umm... election, then actually communicate accurately to help the citizens of this country and prevent deaths.

[Dontrike]

So Brandon just got covid a second time lol.. 'Get the vaccine and you won't catch covid'.... You tell em Joe.

See, this just shows us you don't know fuck all about vaccinations. No vaccine protects you 100%, you'd know that if you paid attention the last two years or the last 6 you've been alive.