1. #14821
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Here’s tedcruz
    fist-bumping fellow Republicans after blocking a bill to help veterans exposed to toxic burn pits.


    Blocking legislation to help the vets to own the Libs.

    Here is the problem. Just as with cops, our idiot voters are so brainwashed that GOP sucks off the military harder than the Dems. Yet this is a super middle finger to any vet suffering. Yet, you think anyone will ever hold the Republicans responsible for this?

    If Schumer puts this bill back on and these assholes then pass it, I still say "piss off to you". Honestly if the Republicans knew it would be brought up again so this just did for theatre, now if I was Schumer I would add some serious shit to it.

    But wait, that sounds like some hypocrisy of bashing Republicans but now making the Dems politicize this. Yes. The reason is that this will not change anyone politically to the Dems that they actually helped the military.
    Huh, I thought that Republicans really liked the bill and just opposed the funding of it. Seems a weird thing to celebrate over.

  2. #14822
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Huh, I thought that Republicans really liked the bill and just opposed the funding of it. Seems a weird thing to celebrate over.
    Is this snark? Sorry I don't get the comment above.

    “That’s simply not true. Don’t take my word for it. Go to
    http://Congress.gov. The text of the bill has not been changed.” —
    JonStewart
    on
    FoxNews
    dismantling Republican Senator Pat Toomey’s talking point that a budget gimmick was snuck into the PACT Act at the last minute.
    So are you speaking on the Republicans lying that this was going to be some flush fund they to withdraw from?

    Is this what you are talking about? https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...nate-bill/3373

    I quickly read it and admit I might have missed in and the way the language is.
    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States…. [It is] nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

    -Isaac Asimov

  3. #14823
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Is this snark? Sorry I don't get the comment above.

    [URL="https://twitter.com/TheProblem/status/1553035302872272897?s=20&t=vNQovQ6TcU7JYtOwc2z4yw"]

    So are you speaking on the Republicans lying that this was going to be some flush fund they to withdraw from?

    Is this what you are talking about? https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...nate-bill/3373

    I quickly read it and admit I might have missed in and the way the language is.
    Yes, it's snark.

  4. #14824
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Yes, it's snark.
    Apologies.

    But yes, to give more info to story for people who think that some secret slush fund or amendment added and that's why or the reason Republicans should vote no, is debunked.
    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States…. [It is] nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

    -Isaac Asimov

  5. #14825
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...rs-oz-00048747

    Good news for Democratic hopes in the Senate: Carpetbagger Mehmet Oz's PA Senate campaign is apparently going very poorly and the party is expecting him to lose the race.

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  7. #14827
    The VA spent ~$234 billion in 2021, almost doubling from a decade earlier. Is there any degree of spending on Veteran's Affairs that would suffice, or is ever voting against further appropriations automatically a bad vote?

  8. #14828
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    The VA spent ~$234 billion in 2021, almost doubling from a decade earlier. Is there any degree of spending on Veteran's Affairs that would suffice, or is ever voting against further appropriations automatically a bad vote?
    Don’t want to spend money on the VA? Don’t start two fucking wars. The number of veterans with severe disabilities has been steadily increasing since 2002 and make up the largest portion of vets.

    The GOP started those two wars and now they don’t want to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    The VA spent ~$234 billion in 2021, almost doubling from a decade earlier. Is there any degree of spending on Veteran's Affairs that would suffice, or is ever voting against further appropriations automatically a bad vote?
    I’m not hearing a “this is how we fund the bill to pass it” suggestions from republicans, I hear a “the democrats punked us and now we’re angry, so we’re not passing the bill, period” from them. They aren’t interested in dialogue or helping veterans, they’re interested in partisan politics.

    As such, any supposed “concerns about the budget” coming from conservatives can safely be ignored.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  10. #14830
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    The VA spent ~$234 billion in 2021, almost doubling from a decade earlier. Is there any degree of spending on Veteran's Affairs that would suffice, or is ever voting against further appropriations automatically a bad vote?
    Problems within the VA should not prevent passing legislation and appropriating funding to address critical health care challenges faced by our veterans after deployment. Period.

    Figure out how to modernize the VA and improve efficiency by all means, but this is big, "The US government can't walk and chew gum at the same time." energy.

  11. #14831
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Don’t want to spend money on the VA? Don’t start two fucking wars. The number of veterans with severe disabilities has been steadily increasing since 2002 and make up the largest portion of vets.

    The GOP started those two wars and now they don’t want to pay for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I’m not hearing a “this is how we fund the bill to pass it” suggestions from republicans, I hear a “the democrats punked us and now we’re angry, so we’re not passing the bill, period” from them. They aren’t interested in dialogue or helping veterans, they’re interested in partisan politics.

    As such, any supposed “concerns about the budget” coming from conservatives can safely be ignored.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Problems within the VA should not prevent passing legislation and appropriating funding to address critical health care challenges faced by our veterans after deployment. Period.

    Figure out how to modernize the VA and improve efficiency by all means, but this is big, "The US government can't walk and chew gum at the same time." energy.
    Agreed that the Republicans in Congress are petty morons and the wars were pointless and expensive.

    I haven't seen a demonstration that this specific issue requires additional appropriations beyond the massive amounts that are already being poured in.

  12. #14832
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Agreed that the Republicans in Congress are petty morons and the wars were pointless and expensive.

    I haven't seen a demonstration that this specific issue requires additional appropriations beyond the massive amounts that are already being poured in.
    https://www.militarytimes.com/vetera...ns-block-plan/

    For veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the bill would establish a presumption of service connection for 23 respiratory illnesses and cancers related to the smoke from burn pits, used extensively in those war zones to dispose of various types of waste, many of them toxic.

    The bill also provides for new benefits for veterans who faced radiation exposure during deployments throughout the Cold War; adds hypertension and monoclonal gammopathy to the list of illnesses linked to Agent Orange exposure in the Vietnam War; expands the timeline for Gulf War medical claims; and requires new medical exams for all veterans with toxic exposure claims.

    Veterans who served in Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and Guam during the Vietnam War-era would be covered for the first time under the same Agent Orange presumptive policies as those who served in Vietnam itself.
    Provides additional funding to cover the costs of new treatments that are not currently being covered by existing laws and appropriations.

    Again, the waste that's going on now is a problem that needs to be resolved. But not doing anything to continue to help underserved veterans in need of care until that's done isn't reasonable, either. I have no problems seeing my tax bill go up to help fund this, and I don't even support these stupid fuckin wars. I just support the veterans who are suffering because the country sent them to a stupid fucking war and isn't living up to our obligations to provide care for them following injuries they suffered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    The VA spent ~$234 billion in 2021, almost doubling from a decade earlier. Is there any degree of spending on Veteran's Affairs that would suffice, or is ever voting against further appropriations automatically a bad vote?
    Imagine that, having a lot of veterans means a lot of spending on the VA.

    Who would have thunk it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.militarytimes.com/vetera...ns-block-plan/



    Provides additional funding to cover the costs of new treatments that are not currently being covered by existing laws and appropriations.

    Again, the waste that's going on now is a problem that needs to be resolved. But not doing anything to continue to help underserved veterans in need of care until that's done isn't reasonable, either. I have no problems seeing my tax bill go up to help fund this, and I don't even support these stupid fuckin wars. I just support the veterans who are suffering because the country sent them to a stupid fucking war and isn't living up to our obligations to provide care for them following injuries they suffered.
    Place your bets on the next time the Republicunts have power they'll pass this and sing Hosannas on the highest about their good works.
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  15. #14835
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    Place your bets on the next time the Republicunts have power they'll pass this and sing Hosannas on the highest about their good works.
    I mean, literally earlier before they voted this down Republicans were at an event helping put together care packages for soldiers with the USO.

    https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/sta...14341198188546

    And touting their support for the military.

  16. #14836
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Agreed that the Republicans in Congress are petty morons and the wars were pointless and expensive.

    I haven't seen a demonstration that this specific issue requires additional appropriations beyond the massive amounts that are already being poured in.
    Veterans of the past 2 decades of war aging. Bunch of wars in the 80s and 90s that led to wartime injuries that you remember? Pretty sure there was the gulf war, which lasted less than 7 months, and that spat in the baltics, which lasted less than 3 months. How many veterans do you think were injured in a total of less than 10 months of war? Less than 20 years of war I'm guessing? Who knew that spending on injured veterans would increase when there are more veterans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  17. #14837
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Imagine that, having a lot of veterans means a lot of spending on the VA.

    Who would have thunk it.
    There are fewer veterans now than 20 years ago, not more.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Veterans of the past 2 decades of war aging. Bunch of wars in the 80s and 90s that led to wartime injuries that you remember? Pretty sure there was the gulf war, which lasted less than 7 months, and that spat in the baltics, which lasted less than 3 months. How many veterans do you think were injured in a total of less than 10 months of war? Less than 20 years of war I'm guessing? Who knew that spending on injured veterans would increase when there are more veterans.
    I can think of a war in the 60s and 70s that may have led to some injuries. The median Vietnam vet is ~68 years old as of this source, which would imply that they're ~73 now.

    Of course, WW2 and Korean War veterans are passing away at higher rates than we're creating new veterans as well, hence the diminished number of total veterans linked above.
    Last edited by Spectral; 2022-07-30 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    That's not a bug, it's a Capitalist feature!
    Underfund socialist program for Veterans.
    Give subpar care to Veterans via bureaucracy.
    Veterans die due to subpar care.
    Cause of Death not listed as "Downed in Paperwork"
    Number of Veterans go down.
    But hey, they get a fancy funeral. Flags, guns, and all that America. So I guess that's something they get to look forward to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

  19. #14839
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    There are fewer veterans now than 20 years ago, not more.

    - - - Updated - - -


    I can think of a war in the 60s and 70s that may have led to some injuries. The median Vietnam vet is ~68 years old as of this source, which would imply that they're ~73 now.

    Of course, WW2 and Korean War veterans are passing away at higher rates than we're creating new veterans as well, hence the diminished number of total veterans linked above.
    The type of vets who take up a majority of the VA funding would have already died from the injuries they received in WW2/Korea/Vietnam. You're not going to see double amputee vets from those wars. You're not going to see the vets who already developed cancer from being exposed to hazardous substances and died already.

    Let's see if I can dig up that quote from 3 posts ago and highlight the operative words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Who knew that spending on injured veterans would increase when there are more veterans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  20. #14840
    Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?

    It feels justified out of all veteran spending

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