1. #14561
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Imagine that, having a lot of veterans means a lot of spending on the VA.

    Who would have thunk it.
    There are fewer veterans now than 20 years ago, not more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Veterans of the past 2 decades of war aging. Bunch of wars in the 80s and 90s that led to wartime injuries that you remember? Pretty sure there was the gulf war, which lasted less than 7 months, and that spat in the baltics, which lasted less than 3 months. How many veterans do you think were injured in a total of less than 10 months of war? Less than 20 years of war I'm guessing? Who knew that spending on injured veterans would increase when there are more veterans.
    I can think of a war in the 60s and 70s that may have led to some injuries. The median Vietnam vet is ~68 years old as of this source, which would imply that they're ~73 now.

    Of course, WW2 and Korean War veterans are passing away at higher rates than we're creating new veterans as well, hence the diminished number of total veterans linked above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    That's not a bug, it's a Capitalist feature!
    Underfund socialist program for Veterans.
    Give subpar care to Veterans via bureaucracy.
    Veterans die due to subpar care.
    Cause of Death not listed as "Downed in Paperwork"
    Number of Veterans go down.
    But hey, they get a fancy funeral. Flags, guns, and all that America. So I guess that's something they get to look forward to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    There are fewer veterans now than 20 years ago, not more.

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    I can think of a war in the 60s and 70s that may have led to some injuries. The median Vietnam vet is ~68 years old as of this source, which would imply that they're ~73 now.

    Of course, WW2 and Korean War veterans are passing away at higher rates than we're creating new veterans as well, hence the diminished number of total veterans linked above.
    The type of vets who take up a majority of the VA funding would have already died from the injuries they received in WW2/Korea/Vietnam. You're not going to see double amputee vets from those wars. You're not going to see the vets who already developed cancer from being exposed to hazardous substances and died already.

    Let's see if I can dig up that quote from 3 posts ago and highlight the operative words:

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    Who knew that spending on injured veterans would increase when there are more veterans.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  4. #14564
    Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?

    It feels justified out of all veteran spending

  5. #14565
    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?
    1. They don't actually care about veterans.
    2. They don't want to give a win to democrats.
    3. They are evil people.
    4. They are evil people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    That's not a bug, it's a Capitalist feature!
    Underfund socialist program for Veterans.
    Give subpar care to Veterans via bureaucracy.
    Veterans die due to subpar care.
    Cause of Death not listed as "Downed in Paperwork"
    Number of Veterans go down.
    But hey, they get a fancy funeral. Flags, guns, and all that America. So I guess that's something they get to look forward to.
    This is pretty innumerate and historically illiterate. There isn't some evil capitalist conspiracy to deprive veterans (I linked the massive increase in spending on them a couple posts back), there are simply many fewer active duty troops than there used to be, resulting in fewer troops remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    This is pretty innumerate and historically illiterate. There isn't some evil capitalist conspiracy to deprive veterans (I linked the massive increase in spending on them a couple posts back), there are simply many fewer active duty troops than there used to be, resulting in fewer troops remaining.
    It's not depriving veterans of medical assistance.
    It's about depriving democrats of any legislative win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Veteran spending aside. Is there a reason to oppose a bill that would cover the issue of burn pits?

    It feels justified out of all veteran spending
    They're not opposed to spending on the burn pits, they're opposed to shifting funds from discretionary to mandatory categorization as an end-run around discretionary spending caps in non-VA areas, at least according to Toomey:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    They're not opposed to spending on the burn pits, they're opposed to shifting funds from discretionary to mandatory categorization as an end-run around discretionary spending caps in non-VA areas, at least according to Toomey:

    And again, they aren't providing solutions. They're saying "no, we wont pass this" because it is a purely political maneuver.

    They don't want the democrats to have yet another legislative victory, because the GOP's platform is predicated entirely around claiming that the democrats can't get anything done and that's why you need to elect republicans to enact their nebulous, nonspecific platform of making all the scary people go away. Which is why they aren't saying "no we wont pass this form of the bill, but we're willing to engage in dialogue to ensure it passes..." and instead they're saying "evil dems changed a sentence so now we can't support helping out burn pit-related health issues, blame the democrats."


    There is no legitimate concern about budgetary spending here, because no solution purporting such has been presented, because if it were it would be passed and the GOP is afraid that people would tally that up as a "victory" for the dems.
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    So Brandon just got covid a second time lol.. 'Get the vaccine and you won't catch covid'.... You tell em Joe.
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    Biden is a creepy old dude, I will not be voting for the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    So Brandon just got covid a second time lol.. 'Get the vaccine and you won't catch covid'.... You tell em Joe.
    Who says that getting the vaccine meant you wouldn't catch COVID?


    Getting the vaccine means you're more likely to survive, and less likely to spread, COVID. Which... you are. I mean, the vaccinated Trump survived his bout with COVID, and he's an old, exceptionally unhealthy fatass. And while his likely death from it had he not been vaccinated would have served a poignant morality lesson and certainly spared us a lot of unnecessary hassle and resulted in more capitol police being alive, modern medical science saved the day.




    My god you people are bad at dunking on Biden. Go back to complaining about hamburger prices or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Who says that getting the vaccine meant you wouldn't catch COVID?


    Getting the vaccine means you're more likely to survive, and less likely to spread, COVID. Which... you are. I mean, the vaccinated Trump survived his bout with COVID, and he's an old, exceptionally unhealthy fatass. And while his likely death from it had he not been vaccinated would have served a poignant morality lesson and certainly spared us a lot of unnecessary hassle and resulted in more capitol police being alive, modern medical science saved the day.




    My god you people are bad at dunking on Biden. Go back to complaining about hamburger prices or whatever.
    Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall
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    Biden is a creepy old dude, I will not be voting for the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall
    So, you're done pretending to be a Biden supporter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall
    Unless you can provide the thread with a source for that claim, I fear I will find you are strawmanning just to annoy other posters in the thread. Please prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Unless you can provide the thread with a source for that claim, I fear I will find you are strawmanning just to annoy other posters in the thread. Please prove me wrong.
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/polit...uly/index.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Who says that getting the vaccine meant you wouldn't catch COVID?

    My god you people are bad at dunking on Biden. Go back to complaining about hamburger prices or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Brandon did literally say we won't get covid if we take the vaxx tho. You need to watch his CNN townhall
    And what's your point?

    Regardless of his generalizations, getting the vaccine is still an eminently good thing. It is not remotely the same thing as making a false claim while supporting policies that are explicitly harmful to public health as anti-vaxxers are wont to do.

    As said, go back to complaining about hamburger prices or w/e.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    ...in which he had stated that you "weren't likely to get sick" in the same exchange.


    See, that's the thing about you right wingers when you attempt some sort of "gotcha." Your people have said so, so, so much worse, and you don't care when they say it, so any attempt at moralizing when someone left-wing says something misleading (in the context of presenting it accurately, no less) that your petty flippancy can safely be excused as meaningless. Frankly, so long as Biden isn't touting horse dewormer, he's already doing better than your guy. Who got vaccinated anyway.

    Again, go back to bitching about hamburgers.
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    Biden discussing Paxlovid after testing negative for WuFlu, before testing positive again a few days later.
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    Trump supporters mocking biden's speeches should be screenshotted and added to the dictionary under hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Trump supporters mocking biden's speeches should be screenshotted and added to the dictionary under hypocrisy.
    Was Paxlovid discovered before or after the Americans bravely took the british airforce bases in the revolutionary war?
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