Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Gelannerai]

Speaking of rich kids. Remember that Romney just voted against veterans.
I know people like to gush all over him once-every-two-years when he flashes the bare-minimum of human decency.... he's not worth it.

This. He’s an old-school R, and while that makes him better than the newest crop of GQP fake legislators, he’s still slime.

[gondrin]

Moment when the PACT Act Passes 86-11.



Rumor is, Rand Paul felt a familiar crushing sensation.

Rand Paul, much like Cruz, is only there to be contrarian because they crave attention or something. I swear that has to be it otherwise there is no reason not to vote for healthcare for veterans other than wanting to see people harmed.

[Poopymonster]

Rand Paul, much like Cruz, is only there to be contrarian because they crave attention or something. I swear that has to be it otherwise there is no reason not to vote for healthcare for veterans other than wanting to see people harmed.

One is a faux Libertarian who's premise is "Why should I help other people, why make the world a better place for others?"
The other is a coward who's licking his wife's lips clean after she spent 15 minutes alone with Trump.

[Ivanstone]

Speaking of rich kids. Remember that Romney just voted against veterans.
I know people like to gush all over him once-every-two-years when he flashes the bare-minimum of human decency.... he's not worth it.

I’ll take 8 Romneys and 12 Murkowskis over most of the GOP senate. They’re occasionally civilized and will usually follow the money.

I suspect Lee and Romney would’ve voted for it if more of that VA cheddar was sent to Utah.

Edit:
https://www.va.gov/vetdata/statesummaries.asp

With some random sampling, it looks like Utah gets less money. Their vet population isn't the highest but Puerto Rico gets twice the money while having 2/3 the Vets. I sense some saltiness.

[ShakesForPRide]

I’ll take 8 Romneys and 12 Murkowskis over most of the GOP senate. They’re occasionally civilized and will usually follow the money.

I suspect Lee and Romney would’ve voted for it if more of that VA cheddar was sent to Utah.

Edit:
https://www.va.gov/vetdata/statesummaries.asp

With some random sampling, it looks like Utah gets less money. Their vet population isn't the highest but Puerto Rico gets twice the money while having 2/3 the Vets. I sense some saltiness.

He cant be Saltier than the Lake.

• Romney voted no, because he doesnt like to be reminded his Personal Vietnam^TM was a French villa in countryside.
• The Mothership is general antagonistic towards federal support programs. It prefers that people are more dependent on them for salvation. Next stop, planet Kolob!
  

[Ivanstone]

He cant be Saltier than the Lake.

• Romney voted no, because he doesnt like to be reminded his Personal Vietnam^TM was a French villa in countryside.
• The Mothership is general antagonistic towards federal support programs. It prefers that people are more dependent on them for salvation. Next stop, planet Kolob!
  

Mothership at least takes care of its residents. Which is a lot better than all of the other red states which expect all of the faith and give none of the service.

[ShakesForPRide]

HEre's another one for the pendants that struggle to understand how framing influences the public's perception of politics.

Haberman got flagged by Twitter for her context-free tweet of the president. She is a "journalist" at a newspaper of record where she has a responsibility to inform & not mislead.



The word "abortion" is LITERALLY in the headline of Biden's statement here:



ANother thing people might struggle to understand. Is how Access Journalism and Twitter Hot Takes make up the majority of content that is passed off as journalism by major platforms.

[Endus]

HEre's another one for the pendants that struggle to understand how framing influences the public's perception of politics.

Haberman got flagged by Twitter for her context-free tweet of the president. She is a "journalist" at a newspaper of record where she has a responsibility to inform & not mislead.



The word "abortion" is LITERALLY in the headline of Biden's statement here:



ANother thing people might struggle to understand. Is how Access Journalism and Twitter Hot Takes make up the majority of content that is passed off as journalism by major platforms.

What other "Right to choose" would we be talking about, in this context? Like, I get that he's also using the word in the lengthier release making it obviously dumb, but contextually, he could only be referencing "abortion", in what she quoted. Not using that specific word doesn't change that, because other words can reference the same thing, so what's the complaint?

[postman1782]

Moment when the PACT Act Passes 86-11.



Rumor is, Rand Paul felt a familiar crushing sensation.

Fucking Rand Paul is a piece of shit. That bastard said that they shouldn't pass the vote, because they can't prove that these soldiers got these health problems from the burn pits. Fuck him. I hope Booker wins.

[Edge-]

Fucking Rand Paul is a piece of shit. That bastard said that they shouldn't pass the vote, because they can't prove that these soldiers got these health problems from the burn pits. Fuck him. I hope Booker wins.

#SUPPORTOURTROOPS*

*unless that costs money and shit, in which case fuck that noise

[postman1782]

#SUPPORTOURTROOPS*

*unless that costs money and shit, in which case fuck that noise

Yep, I haven't seen anything from Republicans that supports anyone but their pocketbooks.

[Breccia]

Coal industry ‘shocked and disheartened’ by Manchin climate deal

Oh no.

Anyway:

The West Virginia Coal Association and several other state-based coal industry groups on Wednesday blasted the tax and climate deal that Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) agreed to last week, warning it will “severely threaten American coal” and an estimated 381,000 jobs.

“This legislation is so egregious, it leaves those of us that call Sen. Manchin a friend, shocked and disheartened,” the groups wrote in a blistering statement that accused the West Virginia senator of zigzagging in the energy debate.

“Sen. Manchin has seemingly fought against numerous climate measures advanced over the past year by the national democratic establishment,” the groups said. “The current Schumer-Manchin draft agreement on climate and energy frankly leaves us questioning the motivation and sincerity of Manchin’s previous stance and his repeated chant: we must ‘innovate not eliminate.’”

The groups warn the deal Manchin crafted with Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) after months of negotiation “will quickly diminish our coal producing operations and all but obviate any need to innovate coal assets.”

[Kaleredar]

Coal industry ‘shocked and disheartened’ by Manchin climate deal

Oh no.

Anyway:

The “innovation” here is no longer using coal.

[Masark]

Coal industry ‘shocked and disheartened’ by Manchin climate deal

Oh no.

Anyway:

We need to innovate a way to permanently relocate the members of the WVCA to Centralia.

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/pete-buttig...nt-now-1730905

Hey, fair question...whatever happened with gas prices? You don't hear Republicans complaining about them anymore, so I guess they're not still high? Looks like they're coming back down still?

Why aren't they praising Biden, who is apparently responsible for the high gas prices, for reducing the global cost of gasoline? I mean, it's apparently in his power to dictate global gas prices, according to them.

Weird, innit?

Also, Biden administration needs to do a better job taking a victory lap on lower gas prices. Or really anything.

'Member the infrastructure bill? I do. I don't know if anyone else does outside of Buttigieg though, since he's the only person in the administration who seems to talk about it.

[xmirrors]

A gun bill, historic stimulus, historic infrastructure, historic supply investment (chips), potentially this reconciliation bill...

[Edge-]

A gun bill, historic stimulus, historic infrastructure, historic supply investment (chips), potentially this reconciliation bill...

Gun bill has passed the House, not the Senate yet.

Stimulus hasn't been discussed in years.

Infrastructure is really only talked about by Buttigieg.

CHIPS bill isn't really getting a national push, but state-level Democrats seem to be doing a better job there.

My point being that, as has been historically true, Democrats suck at messaging and boasting about their own accomplishments. They're neither setting nor apparently trying to control the narrative.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Newly unveiled "Inflation Reduction Act", endorsed by Joe, set to increase taxes for Americans earning less than $400,000 per year. This comes in spite of Joe repeatedly promising, before and during his presidency, such a thing would not happen while in office.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...uction_act.pdf

[s_bushido]

Fuck off.

Will it raise taxes on the middle class?

The bill directly raises funds in three areas: a new minimum tax on some corporations, new money to help the IRS chase down tax cheats, and lessening the “carried interest loophole” favored by money managers.

However, an analysis from the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), requested by Republicans, has fueled a debate over whether the bill will actually increase costs on the middle class.

Republicans have trumpeted the report's conclusion that the Schumer-Manchin bill would indirectly lead to up to $16.7 billion worth of tax increases on American taxpayers earning less than $200,000. In a speech, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) cited the group, saying the bill “would shatter President Biden’s promise not to impact households earning below $400,000.”

In a contentious Fox News interview Tuesday, Sen. Manchin called the claims “a pure, outright lie.”

Other backers of the bill say the results are misleading. They point out that it doesn't directly impose new taxes on the middle class. While those backers acknowledge some corporations may indeed pass along the costs of their increased tax bills, they say its overall impact on middle earners is positive.

And, of course, proponents of the bill have a study to back that up. The study, from a group called Rewiring America, found the bill could save the average household $1,800 per year on energy bills.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen weighed in Tuesday in a letter to lawmakers. The bill “would either reduce or have no effect on the taxes due or paid by any family with income less than $400,000,” she said.

She added, “The clean energy tax credits and the expanded premium tax credit will cut taxes for millions of Americans.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/infla...194519482.html

[Edge-]

Newly unveiled "Inflation Reduction Act", endorsed by Joe, set to increase taxes for Americans earning less than $400,000 per year. This comes in spite of Joe repeatedly promising, before and during his presidency, such a thing would not happen while in office.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...uction_act.pdf

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/so...reduction-act/

Republicans point to a Joint Committee on Taxation analysis of the bill, which indicates federal taxes for people making less than $200,000 would rise by $16.6 billion in 2023, and that those taxpayers would be shouldering just over 42% of the tax increases in the bill that year. That’s a function of estimating the effect on individuals of collecting the minimum corporate tax. Corporations pass along some of the burden of higher taxes in the form of lower wages and lower stock values, affecting shareholders.

Also

In addition, Goldwein said, JCT’s distributional tables do not include the benefits of individual energy tax credits, savings from the prescription drug provisions, health care subsidies and a reduction of inflation over time. If they did, he said, the net impact of the bill would be closer to zero for middle-income Americans in the early years, and over time would result in a net tax benefit for middle-income earners.

And

The JCT’s analysis of the overall impact of the bill shows it would raise about $68 billion over 10 years. But most of that comes from the early years. In fact, by 2027, the bill would amount to a net tax cut for individuals each year, according to the JCT.

As for the bill’s elimination of the “carried interest” tax benefit that allows managers of investment funds to pay a tax rate lower than income taxes, the $15 billion in revenue it is projected to raise is a relatively small part of the overall package. And the bill specifically restricts carried interest to those making over $400,000.

Context is important.