Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Draco-Onis]

If we really want to ensure that the Democrats have more seats in the Senate, all we have to do is get a few hundred thousand people to move from blue states to Wyoming and Montana and flip those states blue.

We don't have to do all of that passing legislation that destroys gerrymandering and voter suppression would blow republican holds out of the water. A lot of "red" states are bluer than the bluest states they are just rigged in a way that the majority can't ever get a voice. That's why it's laughable when the press keeps pretending that these elections are nail bitters like how Florida is a "swing state".

[Zan15]

The Biden administration seems to think it is okay to hassle justices, at least, that is what their press secretary says.

umm why wouldn't they think something that is protected under the constitution, is ok?

Can you guys please make up your minds on what parts of the constitution, specifically the same damn parts, you want to protect and get rid of.
You are all over the place.

[TexasRules]

umm why wouldn't they think something that is protected under the constitution, is ok?

Can you guys please make up your minds on what parts of the constitution, specifically the same damn parts, you want to protect and get rid of.
You are all over the place.

You really think a disinformation board will stand up to a law suit about free speech? Most people do not want to get rid of the constitution....well Republicans and Independents. They support laws based on constitutional interpretation, not political interpretations. Roe vs Wade has always been a political interpretation at the federal level. It should have never been taken away from the states. This has been said for years.

It's like gay marriage. I have no problem if anyone wants to marry anyone else, as a 2 time divorced father I would tell them not to, but hey to each their own. It was at a state level and, for example, California voted it down. Twice. Then the Federal courts said nope, you got to have it. I do not mind that they have to have it, I mind that they took the power away from the states.

[PhaelixWW]

It's like gay marriage. I have no problem if anyone wants to marry anyone else, as a 2 time divorced father I would tell them not to, but hey to each their own. It was at a state level and, for example, California voted it down. Twice. Then the Federal courts said nope, you got to have it. I do not mind that they have to have it, I mind that they took the power away from the states.

Your fundamental civil rights should not be abridged simply because the state in which you live has a surplus of conservatives who claim to love America but who quite clearly hate a lot of Americans.

Other laws, whatever. Fundamental civil rights are a no-go, though.

[TexasRules]

At least you've got your pre-emptive outrage for this locked and loaded just in case.

Excuse me? I'm honestly searching for some proof of this and I'm struggling, dude. I see Fox claiming that the addresses were leaked and that there were protesters outside their homes, and that some "group" (no link to the group, unfortunately) was involved. I see it's been picked up by The Blaze, The Federalist, and Daily Mail as well so far...not exactly the paragons of credible reporting.

Fox's reporting includes no details, just vague allegations - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lib...-justice-homes
Federalist reports that apparently people are being bribed - https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/05...ustices-homes/

Though they at least link to the site supposedly organizing this. Based on their social media presence it seems just about nobody would even be aware of this (2.1K followers ain't a lot of reach). It then links this supposed "serious" protest to a number of protests that are being planned in cities and not attempting to target the Justices home.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...nned-protests/

In response to the Monday night leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade, a leftist group called Ruth Sent Us posted what it claims are the home addresses of the Court’s six conservative justices online in preparation for an organized “walk-by protest” set to take place outside the justices’ homes next week.

Ruth Sent Us plans to dispatch demonstrators to “the homes of the six extremist justices” on Wednesday, May 11, according to the group’s website.

One of the first articles listed when i searched--I skipped the NY Post. They then took down the map and changed it to protest churches on Mother's day. Guess it didn't happen and you're skeptical because you couldn't find it...or you're bad at searching.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ma...ms-of-service/

Here's an article where they claim google made them take it down. Maybe that will help you, doubt it though.

[Dontrike]

You really think a disinformation board will stand up to a law suit about free speech? Most people do not want to get rid of the constitution....well Republicans and Independents. They support laws based on constitutional interpretation, not political interpretations. Roe vs Wade has always been a political interpretation at the federal level. It should have never been taken away from the states. This has been said for years.

Holy fucking shit, you actually believe all of that. This is absolutely hilarious.

Republicans absolutely hate the Constitution as they are constantly trying to fuck with it in a myriad of ways and even break it more often than not.

The idea that we should allow certain states to treat certain sections of the population, in this case half of the US population, worse just because you want to force them to breed is not something that should be allowed. There's a reason certain shit shouldn't be up to the states else Florida and Texas would only let blacks be a 3/5th vote. The very fact you want that disproves the idea that "they support laws". What you said was so mind bogglingly stupid that I want the tax money back from the public school that taught you.

It's like gay marriage. I have no problem if anyone wants to marry anyone else, as a 2 time divorced father I would tell them not to, but hey to each their own. It was at a state level and, for example, California voted it down. Twice. Then the Federal courts said nope, you got to have it. I do not mind that they have to have it, I mind that they took the power away from the states.

A.k.a "I hated when gays got married and want certain states to treat certain people like they are less than people."

Do you have one point of view that isn't fucking abhorrent? I'd ask you what paint tastes like, but I worry you might hit me with the same level of knowledge that wine connoisseurs have.

[TexasRules]

Your fundamental civil rights should not be abridged simply because the state in which you live has a surplus of conservatives who claim to love America but who quite clearly hate a lot of Americans.

Other laws, whatever. Fundamental civil rights are a no-go, though.

Sorry I can't debate you, the liberals here censor debates or arguments or disagreements about anything involving the alphabet organization and it's members. I will debate you on hate. You make a bold statement claiming conservatives hate Americans, using generalizations that democrats and liberals use to create dissent and hatred themselves. Does that mean you clearly hate a lot of Americans?

[Dontrike]

Sorry I can't debate you, the liberals here censor debates or arguments or disagreements about anything involving the alphabet organization and it's members.

Play the victim some more.

I will debate you on hate. You make a bold statement claiming conservatives hate Americans, using generalizations that democrats and liberals use to create dissent and hatred themselves. Does that mean you clearly hate a lot of Americans?

You'd likely be on the pro-hate side. I love that you'd ignore reality and facts because it shows your ilk being exactly who they are. That's not debate if you're unwilling to actually listen or read.

It's easy to hate Americans that support terror attack and when they try taking away rights from other Americans.

[Edge-]

You really think a disinformation board will stand up to a law suit about free speech?

What would they do, specifically, that would run afoul of the First Amendment? Are we just starting and stopping at "name scary"?

Most people do not want to get rid of the constitution....well Republicans and Independents.

Now we're doing jokes, I see.

Roe vs Wade has always been a political interpretation at the federal level. It should have never been taken away from the states. This has been said for years.

Sure, but admit it, you're pretty stoked about this. Including the other implications of the legal theories in the draft which include leaving rights to privacy, rights to marriage choice, and more up to the states. I think we can agree that it's hardly a good situation that things like "Being able to choose which consenting adult I marry" is a pretty good positive right to be protected.

It's like gay marriage. I have no problem if anyone wants to marry anyone else, as a 2 time divorced father I would tell them not to, but hey to each their own. It was at a state level and, for example, California voted it down. Twice. Then the Federal courts said nope, you got to have it. I do not mind that they have to have it, I mind that they took the power away from the states.

But why? What specifically about that issue makes you think it's a state "issue" vs. a right to be protected?

This is big, "I'm not in favor of slavery, but I fully support the southern states rights to literally own human beings because it should be up to states to decide." energy.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...nned-protests/



One of the first articles listed when i searched--I skipped the NY Post. They then took down the map and changed it to protest churches on Mother's day. Guess it didn't happen and you're skeptical because you couldn't find it...or you're bad at searching.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ma...ms-of-service/

Here's an article where they claim google made them take it down. Maybe that will help you, doubt it though.

Still not finding anything credible to this, just the predictable conservative sites treating what appears to be a small group trying to make some noise using hyperbolic claims super duper seriously. If this was legit, we'd see more reporting on it. If it was legit, we'd have more than a site with some since-deleted Google Maps showing evidence.

And again, I'm fairly skeptical that 6 Supreme Court Justices live within walking distances of each other. I'm sure they all live close to work and all, but protesting 6 spots in a day is either gonna result in very short protests so you can move to the next spot, or like 5 people showing up at each home.

Mediaite claims Google took it down, but I'll wait for a statement first.

Again, at worst we have a tiny protest group trying to make some noise with some dishonestly bold claims (on the internet?! NO WAY!), and conservative media blowing it way out of proportion to continue fueling the outrage machine

[Breccia]

“walk-by protest”

Oh no! Protests! You supported someone who led an armed insurrection. Your "both sides do it" whataboutism is worth less than Trump's marriage vows.

[TexasRules]

Holy fucking shit, you actually believe all of that. This is absolutely hilarious.

Republicans absolutely hate the Constitution as they are constantly trying to fuck with it in a myriad of ways and even break it more often than not.
A.k.a "I hated when gays got married and want certain states to treat certain people like they are less than people."

Do you have one point of view that isn't fucking abhorrent? I'd ask you what paint tastes like, but I worry you might hit me with the same level of knowledge that wine connoisseurs have.

I can't debate you on race versus sexual preference because the moderators here view all alphabet arguments bannable. I like how you seem to think so little of Texas and Florida, I am not surprised it's all liberals can talk about. Thanks for the paint troll, I don't report stuff like that, I'm not the censorship type like most of the denizens here.

You seem to think that the fact that I want states to have more power to govern themselves then the federal government shows exactly how liberal you are. Notice the federal government had to be dragged out of covid masking by states, even though the democratic leadership was blatantly hypocritically flaunting not wearing masks. I am sure you were all upset about it because you think the federal government needs to decide everything. Slavery is not a current topic or valid comparison, but of course it is for you. You probably believe in reparations.

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Oh no! Protests! You supported someone who led an armed insurrection. Your "both sides do it" whataboutism is worth less than Trump's marriage vows.

Broken record here. Just because I vote against Biden does not mean I support Trump. Please link me the evidence where he led the armed invasion, I must have missed the pictures of him leading people in to the capitol. it's always whataboutism with you guys when you have no argument. broken record on repeat.

[PhaelixWW]

Sorry I can't debate you, the liberals here censor debates or arguments or disagreements about anything involving the alphabet organization and it's members. I will debate you on hate. You make a bold statement claiming conservatives hate Americans, using generalizations that democrats and liberals use to create dissent and hatred themselves. Does that mean you clearly hate a lot of Americans?

Wow. That has to be just about the worst attempt at whataboutism I've seen.

But I'll bite. No, I don't hate a lot of Americans. But even if I did, it would be based on their choice to blindly adhere to a political affiliation that is rooted in bigotry and hatred and is quite literally counterproductive. This, as opposed to hating people simply because of the color of their skin, their gender identity, their sexual preference, or their faith, for example.

You know... fundamental civil rights stuff.

[Dontrike]

I like how you seem to think so little of Texas and Florida, I am not surprised it's all liberals can talk about.

Might be because those two states keep fucking things up repeatedly. Between Texas screwing up the border and killing soldiers and Florida trying to go back in time and stop children from learning math or sex education because they're afraid of the word vagina.

They could always stop doing that shit if they want to stop the insults. All your post says is you're fine with soldiers dying and businesses being hurt from Texas and you want children to be dumb.

Thanks for the paint troll, I don't report stuff like that, I'm not the censorship type like most of the denizens here.

Neat

You seem to think that the fact that I want states to have more power to govern themselves then the federal government shows exactly how liberal you are.

"I hate that you want to treat gays and women as people" isn't the winning mic drop you think it is. Why do you hate certain Americans? Why are you okay with certain states stripping rights away?

Notice the federal government had to be dragged out of covid masking by states, even though the democratic leadership was blatantly hypocritically flaunting not wearing masks. I am sure you were all upset about it because you think the federal government needs to decide everything. Slavery is not a current topic or valid comparison, but of course it is for you. You probably believe in reparations.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH You think having to put masks on at Walmart so less people die is slavery AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Broken record here. Just because I vote against Biden does not mean I support Trump.

You're right, what shows your support of Trump has been your constant support of Trump for 6 years. We've played this game before and there's plenty of evidence.

Please link me the evidence where he led the armed invasion, I must have missed the pictures of him leading people in to the capitol. it's always whataboutism with you guys when you have no argument. broken record on repeat.

*Points to Jan 6 and slaps button* That was easy

[postman1782]

You really think a disinformation board will stand up to a law suit about free speech? Most people do not want to get rid of the constitution....well Republicans and Independents. They support laws based on constitutional interpretation, not political interpretations. Roe vs Wade has always been a political interpretation at the federal level. It should have never been taken away from the states. This has been said for years.

It's like gay marriage. I have no problem if anyone wants to marry anyone else, as a 2 time divorced father I would tell them not to, but hey to each their own. It was at a state level and, for example, California voted it down. Twice. Then the Federal courts said nope, you got to have it. I do not mind that they have to have it, I mind that they took the power away from the states.

LOL, you think them censoring "articles" that are bullshit, and proven bullshit, will win lawsuits?

And no, Republicans aren't passing laws that are based on constitutional interpretation. And having Roe being a federal law, prevents states from suing their constituents when they go to other states to get an abortion, like they are now.

And the Equal Protection Clause says that gay people can get married, just like straight people. Just like the 14th amendment gives women that get abortions the right to fucking privacy.

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Sorry I can't debate you, the liberals here censor debates or arguments or disagreements about anything involving the alphabet organization and it's members. I will debate you on hate. You make a bold statement claiming conservatives hate Americans, using generalizations that democrats and liberals use to create dissent and hatred themselves. Does that mean you clearly hate a lot of Americans?

No, you can't debate, because you have no fucking facts.

[Endus]

But why? What specifically about that issue makes you think it's a state "issue" vs. a right to be protected?

This is big, "I'm not in favor of slavery, but I fully support the southern states rights to literally own human beings because it should be up to states to decide." energy.

It's absolutely baffling to me how right-wingers pull the worst fucking takes of the Confederacy and continue to present them openly as if they're in any way logically defensible. The whole "States' rights" thing should've died with the Confederacy for the same reason "Blood and Soil" should've died with the Nazis in '45.

[Lenonis]

I mind that they took the power away from the states.

Two questions I hope you will answer honestly:
1) How do you feel about the states that are pushing to make activity that occurs in other states illegal?
2) How do you feel about conservatives who say they will push to make it illegal federally via Congress?

[Fugus]

Two questions I hope you will answer honestly:
1) How do you feel about the states that are pushing to make activity that occurs in other states illegal?
2) How do you feel about conservatives who say they will push to make it illegal federally via Congress?

I caught TexasRules and his alt DocSavageFan tag teaming on the forums of the Hill before and trust me, you won't get honesty out of him, you are asking for blood from a rock on that.

He isn't posting to debate, he is posting because he is fishing for responses for fun and this place is fish in a barrel. I've tested that myself.

I'm to the point where I will respond to them too at this point occasionally, but never expect anything real from them because if they were trying to get real, they wouldn't be posting on their squatting grounds, which is what this place is to them.

[Breccia]

Biden lifts Trump's tariff on Ukrainian steel.

[Lenonis]

I caught TexasRules and his alt DocSavageFan tag teaming on the forums of the Hill before and trust me, you won't get honesty out of him, you are asking for blood from a rock on that.

He isn't posting to debate, he is posting because he is fishing for responses for fun and this place is fish in a barrel. I've tested that myself.

I'm to the point where I will respond to them too at this point occasionally, but never expect anything real from them because if they were trying to get real, they wouldn't be posting on their squatting grounds, which is what this place is to them.

The individual in question aside I am honestly curious about the boundaries of "states rights" and (assuming a good faith holding of that principle) how recent events intersect with that.

Because in theory a believer that states rights should reign supreme could support item #1 - that although it is a state infringing on another state it could be argued that is the state's right to do so.

But in no way would a states rights supporter support item #2 - and if they do support that then it's just hypocrisy - they aren't a supporter of state's rights they are just anti-abortion.

It's going to be interesting to see how conservatives react to a scenario where people just need to go to another state to get legal abortions even after the court issues its ruling. And how far they will be willing to toss aside their so-called principles to get to a fully outlawed abortion stance in the US.

[Poopymonster]

The individual in question aside I am honestly curious about the boundaries of "states rights" and (assuming a good faith holding of that principle) how recent events intersect with that.

Because in theory a believer that states rights should reign supreme could support item #1 - that although it is a state infringing on another state it could be argued that is the state's right to do so.

But in no way would a states rights supporter support item #2 - and if they do support that then it's just hypocrisy - they aren't a supporter of state's rights they are just anti-abortion.

It's going to be interesting to see how conservatives react to a scenario where people just need to go to another state to get legal abortions even after the court issues its ruling. And how far they will be willing to toss aside their so-called principles to get to a fully outlawed abortion stance in the US.

They are a fan of "Their state's rights" meaning Texas or whatever other inbred backwater Florida hellhole can Y'all Queda all over states.