Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Arming the teachers would be the dumbest thing they could do.

To be fair, it's got close competition with "don't teach the parts of US history where slavery was bad" and "gays don't exist".

[Fugus]

To be fair, it's got close competition with "don't teach the parts of US history where slavery was bad" and "gays don't exist".

Yeah, true. Sad thing is I feel bad for my nieces, their dad let them drop out of school and go to "Online Only" classes where they can cheat their way through it all and he doesn't really care about what they know so long as they have the paperwork to pretend they do. Man also tried to claim he was scared his kids would be shot in school by a BLM supporter and a host of other messed up delusions.

I honestly think that any employer worth crap, will not give online degrees any weight in the near future because you won't be able to tell if they used google or brainly to cheat or got someone else to do their work for them. Of course this is also in Florida so even if they graduated from school, it would still be from Florida's education system which is doing their best to NOT be educational.

[Edge-]

Arming the teachers would be the dumbest thing they could do.

-How many kids do you think will go for that gun that they know a good portion of the teachers have in easy access to them?
--Lets assume they managed to prevent the kids from being able to get them.

-How many teachers have you ever seen have a pure mental breakdown in the middle of class from kids messing around? You want them armed in that state?
--Lets assume they managed to keep the teachers from losing their crap and we don't have stories of teachers hitting or yelling escalating to worse.

-How many of those teachers would be willing to shoot another person without hesitating at which point they are really just more guns and ammo for the attacker?
--Lets assume they all are willing to shoot when the time comes.

-How many of them will be trained and proficient in using their gun and have a good enough shot they aren't likely to miss and hit another student themselves?
--Lets assume the teachers are actually put through class and target practice as part of the school funding (Not getting into how the school could afford that funding)

-How many teachers do you think will be willing get armed and trained and be willing to deal with children who can't listen, keep their guns safe from 1,000+ kids with HUNDREDS of them trying to get to any of their guns they can, be willing to shoot and kill an attacker and all that on a teachers salary?
--Yeah, there isn't any way to assume this one would resolve without some major restructuring in how schools work and how much teachers are paid and trained.

No you see if you just don't think about any of that because that's their problem it's actually really easy and simple.

Genuinely that's the only way I can approach people unironically suggesting this kind of thing. Which ignores that massive new responsibility and burden placed on teachers that are already paid shit.

And also ignores that schools generally need to have liability insurance and I'm fairly certain that insurance companies would either not issue a policy to schools where every faculty member was armed, or that the premiums alone would bankrupt the school districts rather quickly.

[bladeXcrasher]

They tried this shit here in Texas, guess what, teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school. Like most things involving this dumb Constitutional carry BS, it's actually wildly unpopular.

[Breccia]

Today in Biden's role as President: he was not indicted for anything.

Okay I promise I won't post that another seven hundred times. Once is enough.

[tehdang]

They tried this shit here in Texas, guess what, teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school. Like most things involving this dumb Constitutional carry BS, it's actually wildly unpopular.

I think Texas passed that "dumb Constitutional carry BS," so is now part of the 26 or 27 states with constitutional carry as law. I haven't heard it being repealed.

As for whether "teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school," I have read that it's up to the school district and according to some sources, something like 280/1022 or just under a third have done it. So some teachers don't mind the stress, even if the majority presumably don't for one reason or another.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think Texas passed that "dumb Constitutional carry BS," so is now part of the 26 or 27 states with constitutional carry as law. I haven't heard it being repealed.

As for whether "teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school," I have read that it's up to the school district and according to some sources, something like 280/1022 or just under a third have done it. So some teachers don't mind the stress, even if the majority presumably don't for one reason or another.

Oh look, many districts require teachers to pass an accuracy test, a practical course, and numerous other measures before a teacher can carry in a school. Man, if only these rules were universal to all gun owners!

[tehdang]

Oh look, many districts require teachers to pass an accuracy test, a practical course, and numerous other measures before a teacher can carry in a school. Man, if only these rules were universal to all gun owners!

Not really relevant to the previous post, "teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school." It also doesn't establish the existence of forcing teachers to undergo any test, much less present that as the norm. Furthermore, does not provide a source for which districts, if any, require any of the tests you posit, or whether they represent a majority. They aren't legally required.

[bladeXcrasher]

I think Texas passed that "dumb Constitutional carry BS," so is now part of the 26 or 27 states with constitutional carry as law. I haven't heard it being repealed.

As for whether "teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school," I have read that it's up to the school district and according to some sources, something like 280/1022 or just under a third have done it. So some teachers don't mind the stress, even if the majority presumably don't for one reason or another.

Thanks for providing my point. You'd have done better not replying at all.

[Flarelaine]

Gun Control has its dedicated thread. Please keep it there.

[Kathandira]

I think Texas passed that "dumb Constitutional carry BS," so is now part of the 26 or 27 states with constitutional carry as law. I haven't heard it being repealed.

As for whether "teachers didn't want the stress of carrying in school," I have read that it's up to the school district and according to some sources, something like 280/1022 or just under a third have done it. So some teachers don't mind the stress, even if the majority presumably don't for one reason or another.

There are officers who cannot handle the stress of having to engage with someone with the use of their own firearm. I can absolutely understand if most teachers, who did not sign up to be armed protectors, find the idea uncomfortable and do not want to participate. If 2/3's of teachers are against it, or abstain from exercising their right to do so, then I think that is evidence that it was not a good idea.

[bladeXcrasher]

There are officers who cannot handle the stress of having to engage with someone with the use of their own firearm. I can absolutely understand if most teachers, who did not sign up to be armed protectors, find the idea uncomfortable and do not want to participate. If 2/3's of teachers are against it, or abstain from exercising their right to do so, then I think that is evidence that it was not a good idea.

It's not even 2/3 of teachers, it's 27%, so just over a quarter, of school districts have said this is an option available.

[jonnysensible]

There are officers who cannot handle the stress of having to engage with someone with the use of their own firearm. I can absolutely understand if most teachers, who did not sign up to be armed protectors, find the idea uncomfortable and do not want to participate. If 2/3's of teachers are against it, or abstain from exercising their right to do so, then I think that is evidence that it was not a good idea.

you'd have to get a decent pay rise as well tbh if you are now doing 2 jobs (teaching kids and shooting kids)

[tehdang]

Gun Control has its dedicated thread. Please keep it there.

Alrighty then.

[gondrin]

Truly, I don't think the office can ever recover from this, much less this nation as a whole.

Crippling inequality resulting in extreme poverty? Crumbling infrastructure? No, these are not the signs that America is going to hell. It's that a few TV stars wore sneakers in the Oval Office.

In case anyone is wondering yes this is the idiot who use to co-host Hill Rising and I'm honestly surprised literally anyone takes anything from this man seriously. He's deeply, terrifyingly stupid and dishonest.

Well, according to the far right, it still hasn't recovered from the tan suit.

[The Stormbringer]

Oh look, many districts require teachers to pass an accuracy test, a practical course, and numerous other measures before a teacher can carry in a school. Man, if only these rules were universal to all gun owners!

Sounds good to me. Should probably throw in annual psychological examinations too, just to be safe.

EDIT: Ope, mods are here, pretend I didn't say this.

[Breccia]

The White House was asked if they had advance knowledge of Trump's indictment.

The response was "No. Why would we? It's a state case. We are the federal government. The federal government is not involved in running state cases. Can you imagine if a federal official tried to interfere with a state investigation? That would be all kinds of wrong. Even if it were to come from a House Committee."

When asked other questions about the Trump indictment, the White House responded "That's not something we're part of, you need to listen."

[Breccia]

Biden approves California disaster declaration to aid with storm response

President Biden approved on Monday evening California’s request for a presidential major disaster declaration, boosting federal support as the state recovers from a string of severe storm systems.

Confirming “that a major disaster exists in the State of California,” the declaration will bring aid to state, tribal and local efforts in areas affected by wintry weather, straight-line winds, floods, landslides and mudslides since mid-February, according to the White House.

“This declaration brings in more vital resources as we continue to work in lockstep with local, state and federal partners to support communities that have been turned upside down by these storms,” Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) said in a statement on Monday night, after receiving the approval.

The presidential proclamation will also make federal funding available to affected communities in the counties of Kern, Mariposa, Monterey, San Benito, Santa Cruz, Tulare, and Tuolumne, a statement from the White House said.

Assistance will come in the form of grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses to help individuals and business owners, the declaration stated.

Funding will also be available to eligible government entities and certain nonprofit organizations on a cost-sharing basis for emergency work and the repair of damaged facilities, according to the White House.

The declaration occurred in response to a request sent to the White House last week by Newsom, who described how conditions in his state “continued to deteriorate due to the winter storms and ongoing atmospheric river events.”

[Fugus]

Biden approves California disaster declaration to aid with storm response

Now to wait to see a bunch of pearl clutching over how they don’t deserve it or it’s a waste or god knows what else from people who had no issues with that same relief going to Florida.

[The Stormbringer]

Now to wait to see a bunch of pearl clutching over how they don’t deserve it or it’s a waste or god knows what else from people who had no issues with that same relief going to Florida.

Well that's because Florida is a good and proper conservative Republican state, not a godless socialist commie Democrat state like California, silly!