Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[The Stormbringer]

And let’s not forget about Independent voters, who make up, what… 40% of voters? So, yeah, shit like this can sway them in the wrong direction

I would hope most Independents (actual Independents, not people who claim they're Independents so they're not labeled with the D or R) are intelligent enough to not vote for the people who have been causing all the problems they're currently struggling through.

[Edge-]

And this is you projecting your own bigoted, uniformed selfish views on other people.

They're sorta right to a point, most Americans are woefully uninformed and kinda fucking dumb when it comes to issues of politics. They don't pay attention or care. Granted many don't have the time or mental capacity to do so with all the other shit going on in their lives, but a great, great many very much do and choose to remain ignorant because it hasn't really directly affected them yet.

[unfilteredJW]

Are you talking about Republican Politicians?… cause we were discussing voters then you went off saying all Republicans are malicious liars. That’s millions of Americans to say that shit about.

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I mean, it’s all right here…

I mean, you are out here spouting lies about stuff and then hiding behind it being your “opinion” made from “overseas” “news” “sources” so seems pretty on point.

And you can take whatever biased cherry picked poll you grabbed and toss it in the trash where it belongs.

[Benggaul]

I've been an Independent all my life from the very first day I registered to vote. I've never once voted for a Republican because even decades ago when I cast my first vote I saw how fucking awful they were and there's certainly no danger of me ever voting for them today considering they've only gotten worse. I vote for the most progressive candidate I agree with; most of the time that's the Dems, sometimes it's a third party that doesn't have a prayer but it's the primaries so it doesn't matter anyway. ANYONE repeating GOP talking points these days can just rip off their "Independent" mask and show who they truly are: a member of the GOP cult. All of their nonsense is so easily disproven it does not take a galaxy brain to cut through it. It barely takes a search through Reuters/AP. If any "Independents" are even considering voting GOP after the past couple years then they were never truly Independent to begin with.

[Elegiac]

Not all Republicans are malicious liars

You're right; some of them are just openly malicious, and the rest are just fuckin' ignorant.

That’s millions of Americans to say that shit about.

Okay. And?

[Edge-]

I’m genuinely curious if @Edge- meant that about all Republicans, or if they specifically meant just Republican politicians who were discussing this breathing machine nonsense (my father uses one, it’s not a big fucking deal).

This is the Biden thread. If you want to discuss that in more detail you're welcome to bring it up in the Trump thread, I'm not going to derail talking Republican politics here.

[Elegiac]

I’m genuinely curious if Edge- meant that about all Republicans, or if they specifically meant just Republican politicians who were discussing this breathing a,chine nonsense (my father uses one, it’s not a big fucking deal).

All Republicans fall into one of the following categories:

- The openly malicious: i.e. blatant bigots and people that support destructive policies for reasons like 'sticking it to the libs'.
- The deceitfully malicious: i.e. people that use things like 'being concerned about children' as a fig leaf for bigoted and destructive policies.
- The thoughtlessly malicious: i.e. people that vote Republican or support their policies because they don't bother to educate themselves on the subject matter.

You don't quite seem to grasp that the Republican Party as it has been constituted since the latter half of the last century is solely a vehicle for advancing reactionary policies designed to turn back the clock on economic regulation and social progress, as well as obstructing future reform. It has not a single policy that is not at least tangentially designed to inflict harm.

[Endus]

Single mother, struggling to pay her bills, going to college. She can barely afford to pay her bills and groceries, and has to pick up a second, part-time job or side hustle.

This is the unfortunate reality of many Americans. What do you tell them when they’re looking to Biden to fix this, only to be told “keep hanging in there, it will get better, remember who’s side you’re on!”

Well, Republicans are actively antagonistic to her interests, so it sure seems like an easy choice.

And claiming that Democrats aren't seeking to support people like her is just an empty and obvious lie. You should be ashamed for thinking that kind of bullshit would fly.

Democrats helped her get better health care, and were blocked from doing more by Republicans.
Democrats tried to get her held with student loans, Republicans blocked that too.
Democrats are the ones talking about boosting minimum wages, Republicans are against that.

Sure, Democrats may be trying and failing to achieve lasting gains, but you can't seriously expect anyone to agree that this hypothetical woman should consider voting Republican, when they're the ones antagonistic to those gains and the reason they are consistently failing to hold ground. Come the fuck on. We're not that fuckin' stupid.

[The Stormbringer]

Well, Republicans are actively antagonistic to her interests, so it sure seems like an easy choice.

And claiming that Democrats aren't seeking to support people like her is just an empty and obvious lie. You should be ashamed for thinking that kind of bullshit would fly.

It should be obvious. One side is trying and struggling to help people in general, especially the poor, while the other is actively trying to make it harder for those people to get help, unless they're rich. Do you vote for the side that made promises you liked, but was unable to keep them for reasons beyond their control, or for the other side that has failed to ever help anyone that wasn't rich or a bigot?

[Elegiac]

Well, Republicans are actively antagonistic to her interests, so it sure seems like an easy choice.

And claiming that Democrats aren't seeking to support people like her is just an empty and obvious lie. You should be ashamed for thinking that kind of bullshit would fly.

Single mother: Democrats introduce legislation to cap child care costs. Republicans let CHIP expire.
Struggling to pay her bills: Democrats introduce legislation to raise wages and make child care cheaper. Republicans cut taxes for the rich and use the ballooning debt as an excuse to cut public assistance.
Going to college: Democrats introduce legislation to ease tuition costs and alleviate student debt. Republicans repeatedly challenge student debt relief in court.

If she's still voting Republican even after all that, chances are she's a shitty mother who values hurting minorities over taking care of her children.

[Endus]

I’m not saying she should consider it — I wouldn’t, it’s DeSantis, he’s fucking crazy. I’m saying these struggles can contribute to voters shifting sides. We knows this happens, as I linked.

The only way these struggles lead to this hypothetical voter switching sides is if she's a complete idiot who does not engage in politics in any way and allows herself to be led by the right-wing's intentionally dishonest propaganda.

And someone misled by malicious propaganda becomes malicious themselves, until they throw off that propaganda and reform.

This isn't an argument that she'd got a valid point of view. It's an argument about the power of malicious propaganda wielded against a populace that have been carefully taught to be gullible idiots.

[Draco-Onis]

I’m not saying she should consider it — I wouldn’t, it’s DeSantis, he’s fucking crazy. I’m saying these struggles can contribute to voters shifting sides. We knows this happens, as I linked.

Most of the people that struggle disengage from the political system they don't switch party affiliation since they feel that the two party system is a failure that's not addressing their daily lives.

[Jastall]

I’m not saying she should consider it — I wouldn’t, it’s DeSantis, he’s fucking crazy. I’m saying these struggles can contribute to voters shifting sides. We knows this happens, as I linked.

Indeed, people voting against their interests knowingly happens. I call them stupid people, especially when they do so out of spite.

Voting blank or third party is another thing altogether. I get that. Not voting, well, I think it's just throwing away a fundamental right but you do you boo. But deciding to actually vote for the party that you know is actively working against your interests? Yeah, I'll call those people idiots and not be the least be sorry about it.

[Elegiac]

DeSantis is popular, we can’t deny that

He might be popular within your right wing twitter feed, but he's not popular in real life.

[Elegiac]

Uh, this is a favorable or unfavorable opinion on DeSantis…

Which demonstrates that what you said - "DeSantis is popular" - is in fact untrue.

do you think he won’t be the popular Republican candidate for the election?

It's also not even true within the Republican Party. Trump has been widening the gap even despite his convictions.

You really need to either stop getting your news from right wing social media or just keep your shitty takes to yourself, Felicia.

[Jastall]

And we’re gonna see if those people are truly happy with Biden come next election… cause DeSantis is popular, we can’t deny that (I’m not even including Trump cause I think his time is up now).

First Trump is going to beat him at the primary anyway even if he's a convicted felon, and second DeSantis isn't notably popular at the national level either.

[Edge-]

Pence is the unpopular one… as your graph even shows. Trump and DeSantis are the popular Republican candidates. Like, where’s the disconnect here? They’re the ones battling it off with each other. And Trump may not even be able to run, given his legally issues.

Are you capable of staying on topic or ever admitting when you've been duped once more by right wing misinformation that you consistently claim you don't read?

DeSantis is popular! No he's not.
DeSantis is popular with Republicans! No he's not.

This is the Biden/Harris thread, Blossom.

[Slirith]

Are you capable of staying on topic or ever admitting when you've been duped once more by right wing misinformation that you consistently claim you don't read?

DeSantis is popular! No he's not.
DeSantis is popular with Republicans! No he's not.

This is the Biden/Harris thread, Blossom.

*insert Arthur I can't read meme here* Of course it's not able to stay on topic.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/hunter-...fake-rcna92065

Anyways, to get back on topic and stop letting someone who refuses to acknowledge when they're wrong derail the thread.

An attorney for Hunter Biden says purported screenshots of a text message from Hunter Biden to a potential Chinese business partner where he refers to Joe Biden — a message that has been the subject of intense scrutiny following statements made by an IRS whistleblower — are “not real and contain myriad of issues.”

Abbe Lowell, who is one of Hunter Biden’s attorneys, made the statement in a letter to Rep. Jason Smith, R-Mo., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, which has interviewed the whistleblowers. The letter was obtained by NBC News.

IRS Supervisory Special Agent Gary Shapley told the committee under oath that, as an investigator for the IRS, he obtained messages Hunter Biden sent on the WhatsApp platform, including one in 2017 that he read demanding payment from a Chinese businessman named Henry Zhao.

In the message, Shapley said, Biden appeared to suggest that he was sitting with his father, then the former vice president, saying, “I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.”

Lowell writes that the screenshots of the message as tweeted by Smith, “both include a photo of Mr. Biden not from 2017 but from the White House Easter Egg roll in April 2022 (long after the purported message was sent); both images portray the message in a blue bubble, when WhatsApp messages are in green; one image super-imposed the Chinese flag for the contact ID, when surely that was not how a text or contact was kept; and one purports to be a screenshot with the '. . .' of someone composing a text (as in Apple’s iMessage) when that does not happen on WhatsApp.”

He writes, “In short, the images you circulated online are complete fakes.”

Lowell’s letter takes issue with what he says are "self-styled IRS 'whistleblowers'" who he says are "claiming that title in an attempt to evade their own misconduct" and to "feed the misinformation campaign to harm our client, Hunter Biden, as a vehicle to attack his father."

Lowell added, “These interviews were orchestrated recitations of mischaracterized and incomplete 'facts' by disgruntled agents who believed they knew better than the federal prosecutors who had all the evidence as they conducted their five-year investigation of Mr. Biden.”

Boy, it'd sure be unexpected if Republicans were promoting more blatantly false and bullshit information.

[Paranoid Android]

First, I'm announcing a new path to provide student debt relief to as many borrowers as possible, as quickly as possible, grounded in the Higher Education Act.

Just moments ago,
SecCardona
took the first official step to initiate this new approach.

We aren’t wasting any time.

Second, we're creating a temporary 12-month “on ramp” to repayment.

This is not the same as the student loan pause, but during this period – if you miss payments – this “on ramp” will temporarily remove the threat of default or having your credit harmed.

This fight isn’t over.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/167...528966656?s=20

Okay, Higher Education Act.

Quickly read up on and seems pretty broad on what Biden can do.

His second part about an "on ramp" payments, not a suspension as before is muddled and confusing to me. If you miss payment you won't default but in the press conference he say if you have the money "pay for it". I mean we can get into some deep stuff here about "you can find a way to pay for anything" so I'm not sure if this is a wink and nod of "just say you can't pay". Hmm?